Mainstream Islam Rejects Freedom of Conscience

[Nightshade]

It's interesting how 'extremists' that 'hijack' islam are the only problem with the religion of peace.

In fact, it's a bit more than that:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mainstream ... onscience/

[null0010]

This is a council formed of the ruling class of various predominately Islamic countries. To say that they represent \"mainstream Islam\" is like saying Congress adequately represents political thought in the United States.

[Will Robinson]

This is a council formed of the ruling class of various predominately Islamic countries. To say that they represent "mainstream Islam" is like saying Congress adequately represents political thought in the United States.

Well if Congress was allowed to jail, torture, mutilate and murder citizens who offend their prophets as an everyday application of our judicial system the way many countries ruled by Islam do can you be sure they wouldn't be able to dictate correct political thought in America?

How long would you live freely under the rule of, say, Rosie O'Donnell if she was attorney general and you were telling ugly fat obnoxious lesbian jokes in public?

[AlphaDoG]

This is a council formed of the ruling class of various predominately Islamic countries. To say that they represent "mainstream Islam" is like saying Congress adequately represents political thought in the United States.

I know "they" represent you, now guess WHO represents me!

[null0010]

This is a council formed of the ruling class of various predominately Islamic countries. To say that they represent "mainstream Islam" is like saying Congress adequately represents political thought in the United States.

Well if Congress was allowed to jail, torture, mutilate and murder citizens who offend their prophets as an everyday application of our judicial system the way many countries ruled by Islam do can you be sure they wouldn't be able to dictate correct political thought in America?

I'm really not sure what you're asking me here.

[Isaac]

How long would you live freely under the rule of, say, Rosie O'Donnell if she was attorney general and you were telling ugly fat obnoxious lesbian jokes in public?

Yeah, I remember Return of the Jedi's first half.

[Will Robinson]

This is a council formed of the ruling class of various predominately Islamic countries. To say that they represent "mainstream Islam" is like saying Congress adequately represents political thought in the United States.

Well if Congress was allowed to jail, torture, mutilate and murder citizens who offend their prophets as an everyday application of our judicial system the way many countries ruled by Islam do can you be sure they wouldn't be able to dictate correct political thought in America?

I'm really not sure what you're asking me here.

When you own something you can represent it to the outsiders for most intents and purposes So while it is true that Congress doesn't necessarily represent our political thought the only reason that would matter to the outside world is because we are free to act and speak on our thoughts as we wish even to the removal of Congress against their will. If we were afraid of deadly reprisals from Congress we would let them represent our thoughts. We would tacitly support all sorts of activities like stoning, recruitment of suicide bombers, racism, beheadings, etc. if Congress was inclined to do like the radical Islamic thugs who run some of those countries.

So I found your analogy to be lacking a common thread that you presumed to exist.

[woodchip]

This is a council formed of the ruling class of various predominately Islamic countries. To say that they represent "mainstream Islam" is like saying Congress adequately represents political thought in the United States.

Well if Congress was allowed to jail, torture, mutilate and murder citizens who offend their prophets as an everyday application of our judicial system the way many countries ruled by Islam do can you be sure they wouldn't be able to dictate correct political thought in America?

I'm really not sure what you're asking me here.

When you own something you can represent it to the outsiders for most intents and purposes So while it is true that Congress doesn't necessarily represent our political thought the only reason that would matter to the outside world is because we are free to act and speak on our thoughts as we wish even to the removal of Congress against their will. If we were afraid of deadly reprisals from Congress we would let them represent our thoughts. We would tacitly support all sorts of activities like stoning, recruitment of suicide bombers, racism, beheadings, etc. if Congress was inclined to do like the radical Islamic thugs who run some of those countries.

So I found your analogy to be lacking a common thread that you presumed to exist.

To further help Null understand, try researching Senator Joseph McCarthy and see how "Political Thought" was manipulated.

[null0010]

This is a council formed of the ruling class of various predominately Islamic countries. To say that they represent "mainstream Islam" is like saying Congress adequately represents political thought in the United States.

Well if Congress was allowed to jail, torture, mutilate and murder citizens who offend their prophets as an everyday application of our judicial system the way many countries ruled by Islam do can you be sure they wouldn't be able to dictate correct political thought in America?

I'm really not sure what you're asking me here.

When you own something you can represent it to the outsiders for most intents and purposes So while it is true that Congress doesn't necessarily represent our political thought the only reason that would matter to the outside world is because we are free to act and speak on our thoughts as we wish even to the removal of Congress against their will. If we were afraid of deadly reprisals from Congress we would let them represent our thoughts. We would tacitly support all sorts of activities like stoning, recruitment of suicide bombers, racism, beheadings, etc. if Congress was inclined to do like the radical Islamic thugs who run some of those countries.

So I found your analogy to be lacking a common thread that you presumed to exist.

To further help Null understand, try researching Senator Joseph McCarthy and see how "Political Thought" was manipulated.

I don't think that's quite the same thing, thanks to the heroic efforts of Edward R. Murrow. Though I'm pretty sure that just because a group is scared of a reprisal doesn't actually change their real opinion, just their stated one.

[woodchip]

No matter what their \"Real\" opinion is, it is their stated one that applies.

[Will Robinson]

... Though I'm pretty sure that just because a group is scared of a reprisal doesn't actually change their real opinion, just their stated one.

What ever wonderful opinion someone might hold in their thoughts is useless to the rest of the world if they won't act on it.
If you are dancing in the streets celebrating the death of 3000 innocents but your silent opinion is that your leaders shouldn't have sponsored the killing you get no credit for your opinion and your dancing is duly noted.

[null0010]

... Though I'm pretty sure that just because a group is scared of a reprisal doesn't actually change their real opinion, just their stated one.

What ever wonderful opinion someone might hold in their thoughts is useless to the rest of the world if they won't act on it.
If you are dancing in the streets celebrating the death of 3000 innocents but your silent opinion is that your leaders shouldn't have sponsored the killing you get no credit for your opinion and your dancing is duly noted.

But didn't you just say that they can't act out of a fear of reprisal?