VEDO for Obama

[Nightshade]

That's right. VEDO!

Make sure that we

V-ote

E-very

D-emocrat

O-ut!

(And any leftist republicans too!)

[null0010]

A centrist, ladies and gentlemen.

[CUDA]

A centrist, ladies and gentlemen.

[Gooberman]

TB should be given the rank of \"DBB Centrist\"

[Nightshade]

Well it's things like this that would make anyone vote against Obama and his party:



Since when does a sitting president (with the notable exception of NIXON) refer to any fellow citizens as \"enemies?\"

What does Obama mean by \"Our enemies?\" Rather chilling to hear your own president call citizens of the US- those which disagree with his agenda- ENEMIES.

[Spidey]

Yea that’s pathetic, I can’t wait for the spin.

[null0010]

At least he's being honest.

[Mjolnir]

He seems to be using the exact same rhetoric as Republicans, I'm more confused by the fact that you didn't get him mixed up with a republican until I noticed he didn't mention shooting or \"taking aim\" at these vague enemies.

[Avder]

I seem to recall Bush and his administration saying that if you werent with him you were against America.

SSDP (same $h!t different politician)

[Spidey]

So you admit…Obama is just as bad as Bush.

[Mjolnir]

If by just as bad in this election cycle is he finally throwing some decent verbal punches... then I guess so. Policy wise I don't think he could ever measure up to the colossal failure of Bush.

I think a better thread would be on how the Republican minority leader bitched and moaned and cried about how Obama wasn't being bipartisan enough and now that he smells blood he's on the radio saying THERE WILL BE NO COMPROMISE AT ALL. Finally showing his true colors.

[Nightshade]

Funny how the democrats won't ever compromise either. It's their agenda or the highway.

[Mjolnir]

Except for the 200 amendments added to the health care bill proposed by Republicans, compromise to the Republicans is my way or the highway and screw everyone and anything else.

[Avder]

So you admit…Obama is just as bad as Bush.

Not quite as bad no. He hasn't started anything all that new, for example. However, hes done less than nothing to end a lot of the stuff Bush started.

When elections come around I generally look at who has the power and vote in the opposite direction. Why? Because the only thing the US government does is stomp on its citizens, and consensus makes that go faster, which is bad. Changing who has power on a regular basis slows things down and lets us keep our rights longer.

This year, however, I'm going to be voting democratic, as I have a feeling Obama would get along better with a republican congress than he does with the democratic one he has now.

In the end whether its 5 or 50 years down the road, the US will become just as bad as that communist behemoth we had a cold war with, or that nazi regime we had an a-bomb race with back in the 40s. At which point, anyone who values their liberty will have long since moved to greener pastures.

Unless of course, we gut both the Democrap and Republipoop parties, and put actual leaders in congress.

[Swazook]

There are many videos of that idiot, but this one is good also:



And a good follow up from the other corrupt cretin:

[Tunnelcat]

Really good joke from the comedian Rich Little:

Politicians are like diapers, they have to be changed often and for the same reason.

I've support VEGRO:

Vote

Every

Greedy

Republican

Out

And VECDO:

Vote

Every

Corporatist

Democrat

Out

[CUDA]

So what your saying is your for VIESTI


Vote

In

Every

Socialist

There

Is

[null0010]

I've got an acronym for you...

[Mjolnir]

On the upside, a socialist might actually give a damn about the people he represents. I know... a foreign concept in America.

[woodchip]

On the upside, a socialist might actually give a damn about the people he represents. I know... a foreign concept in America.

So is the communist/progressive wing of the DNC sending out operatives like you to forums like ours to try and convince us people like Stalin/Mao/Chavez were really concerned about their citizens? Can you give us examples of real socialist governments that aren't failing?

[Tunnelcat]

So what your saying is your for VIESTI


Vote

In

Every

Socialist

There

Is

Starting to look better than voting for every greedy or crazy (Tea Bagger) Republican because I don't see any moderates around anymore.

[null0010]

On the upside, a socialist might actually give a damn about the people he represents. I know... a foreign concept in America.

So is the communist/progressive wing of the DNC sending out operatives like you to forums like ours to try and convince us people like Stalin/Mao/Chavez were really concerned about their citizens?

Where can I get some of whatever it is you're smoking?

[CUDA]

On the upside, a socialist might actually give a damn about the people he represents. I know... a foreign concept in America.

So is the communist/progressive wing of the DNC sending out operatives like you to forums like ours to try and convince us people like Stalin/Mao/Chavez were really concerned about their citizens?

Where can I get some of whatever it is you're smoking?

your missing the point Null. Mjolnir is a troll, if you go back and read his 20 posts since he's joined this forum on the 8th of this month, NONE of them has been with any substance. his intend is to do nothing more than stir up Sh@t.

a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response, or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

[null0010]

I'd like to point out that he's merely disagreeing with y'all.

[CUDA]

I'd like to point out that he's merely disagreeing with y'all.

you disagree with us. your not a troll. there is a difference

[woodchip]

On the upside, a socialist might actually give a damn about the people he represents. I know... a foreign concept in America.

So is the communist/progressive wing of the DNC sending out operatives like you to forums like ours to try and convince us people like Stalin/Mao/Chavez were really concerned about their citizens?

Where can I get some of whatever it is you're smoking?

Is there some point in my reply you specifically disagree with or you merely making fapping sounds?
Oh, when my stash of southeast asian opium laced weed ran out I stopped smoking. Nothing local compares.

[Mjolnir]

On the upside, a socialist might actually give a damn about the people he represents. I know... a foreign concept in America.

So is the communist/progressive wing of the DNC sending out operatives like you to forums like ours to try and convince us people like Stalin/Mao/Chavez were really concerned about their citizens? Can you give us examples of real socialist governments that aren't failing?

Linking communists with progressives is really quite silly, you must watch a lot of Glenn Beck and for that I just feel sorry for you.

First off, learn the difference between communism/stalinism, maoism, marxism, etc. They all have differences. I know, it's hard to not stamp your McCarthyism on every idea outside of your very narrow box but try it and see what happens.

Let's also remove the stigma of progressivism, especially since that also has taken different meanings through out history. As an example of taking care of it's citizens, it was progressives who wanted to make sure your meat wasn't rotten at the grocery store, to keep kids in schools not sweat shops and mines, who wanted to improve working conditions for the working class. What evil people...


The premise of your question though is inherently false, as there never has been a true, full blown socialist state but there are plenty of Governments that tie in socialism with their democratic Governments that are doing quite well, and in fact are doing better than us by leaps and bounds on some fronts, things like corruption and health care. Denmark, Germany, France, Canada, the list goes on... though if you wanted something more near your socialist/communist nightmare you could say China is definitely not collapsing.

Excluding China, some of the states previously mentioned are both healthier and happier than us... so people can scream that "WE'RE NUMBER 1!!!!" till they're blue in the face but some things are just more important then an out dated idea of superiority.

[flip]

Yeah like personal individual freedom. Some things are just more important than money to me.

[woodchip]

Linking communists with progressives is really quite silly, you must watch a lot of Glenn Beck and for that I just feel sorry for you.

David Horowitz grew up with communist parents. To hide the stigma, Horowitz says they decided to call themselves "Progressives". Now, unless you have some inside information to the contrary, I once again suggest you broaden your education beyond the Huffington Post and Media Matters. What is truly silly are people like you who refuse to look behind the curtain and see who the Wizard of Oz really is.

[null0010]

David Horowitz is not the man who decides what all political systems get to be called and equated with.

[Nightshade]

Diseases are \"progressive.\"

[null0010]

That's because they make progress against the body's immune system. That's what the word means.

[Mjolnir]

Linking communists with progressives is really quite silly, you must watch a lot of Glenn Beck and for that I just feel sorry for you.

David Horowitz grew up with communist parents. To hide the stigma, Horowitz says they decided to call themselves "Progressives". Now, unless you have some inside information to the contrary, I once again suggest you broaden your education beyond the Huffington Post and Media Matters. What is truly silly are people like you who refuse to look behind the curtain and see who the Wizard of Oz really is.

It took me a couple moments to get over the irony of using someone like David Horowitz as an example of "OMG PROGRESSIVES ARE COMMUNISTS." You might want to look in the mirror with the behind the curtain bull ★■◆●, as David Horowitz most be the most honest, reliable source.. writing for Newsmax, leaning to the far right and being used as a source for people like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich doesn't put you high up on credibility scale.

Now if you had used someone that was actually reliably part of the progressive movement... say someone like Theodore Roosevelt who had said that then maybe there would be a discussion. However, you sound even worse then Glenn Beck with the "This right wing, conservative writer said his parents were COMMUNISTS! and they just decided to call themselves progressives to HIDE IT!" That is obviously the end-all-be-all of evidence that progressives are COMMUNISTS

Try reading something besides propaganda and maybe one day, you too can have an educated opinion instead of parroting high school like rumors.

[Nightshade]

Remember, today-


VEDO!

[woodchip]

Linking communists with progressives is really quite silly, you must watch a lot of Glenn Beck and for that I just feel sorry for you.

David Horowitz grew up with communist parents. To hide the stigma, Horowitz says they decided to call themselves "Progressives". Now, unless you have some inside information to the contrary, I once again suggest you broaden your education beyond the Huffington Post and Media Matters. What is truly silly are people like you who refuse to look behind the curtain and see who the Wizard of Oz really is.

It took me a couple moments to get over the irony of using someone like David Horowitz as an example of "OMG PROGRESSIVES ARE COMMUNISTS." You might want to look in the mirror with the behind the curtain bull *****, as David Horowitz most be the most honest, reliable source.. writing for Newsmax, leaning to the far right and being used as a source for people like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich doesn't put you high up on credibility scale.

Now if you had used someone that was actually reliably part of the progressive movement... say someone like Theodore Roosevelt who had said that then maybe there would be a discussion. However, you sound even worse then Glenn Beck with the "This right wing, conservative writer said his parents were COMMUNISTS! and they just decided to call themselves progressives to HIDE IT!" That is obviously the end-all-be-all of evidence that progressives are COMMUNISTS

Try reading something besides propaganda and maybe one day, you too can have an educated opinion instead of parroting high school like rumors.

From the American Thinker:

"Why is this so remarkable? It's remarkable because historically, communist involvement at these rallies has been meticulously concealed, hidden from progressives, with the communists using the progressives as props -- as dupes.

Back then, the communists' stunning successes suckering progressives shocked even Moscow. They fooled them right up to the front gates of the White House in the summer of 1940, where the hideous communist front the American Peace Mobilization duped even the New York Times into headlining it as a "clergy group." They pulled off an extraordinary stunt in Chicago in the summer of 1968, sabotaging the Democratic National Convention. Communists managed to enlist progressives into undermining their own Democratic presidents and parties and platforms.

How long has this continued? All the way to the 2008 election.

Consider the group Progressives for Obama, formed during Obama's presidential bid. It was loaded with and even founded by some hardcore communists from the 1960s. Consider merely two of them: Tom Hayden, one of the group's four founders, and Mark Rudd, one of the 94 original signers. Hayden and Rudd had been leaders of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), which subverted the policies and plans of Democratic presidents ranging from Vietnam to the 1968 convention. In 2008, both Hayden and Rudd suddenly reemerged as "Progressives for Obama."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/ ... _ou_1.html

Or:

"The Progressive Labor Party (originally the Progressive Labor Movement and often referred to as PL) is a transnational communist party based in the United States."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressiv ... _States%29

[null0010]

From the American Thinker:

"Why is this so remarkable? It's remarkable because historically, communist involvement at these rallies has been meticulously concealed, hidden from progressives, with the communists using the progressives as props -- as dupes.

The American Thinker is a daily conservative internet publication dealing with American politics, foreign policy, national security, economics, diplomacy, culture, military strategy, and the survival of the State of Israel.

[Mjolnir]

Thank you for yet again proving you're a propaganda mouth piece.

The Mccarthyist attitude you have may work on the simple \"conservative\"* folks but you'll need to try harder with actual educated people... I know, facts are hard to come by with your position but give it a try.





*- sheep/cattle

[Ferno]

your missing the point Null. Mjolnir is a troll, if you go back and read his 20 posts since he's joined this forum on the 8th of this month, NONE of them has been with any substance. his intend is to do nothing more than stir up Sh@t.

actually, no.

he's an old and well respected member of this board who was around during the early days, and took a few years off. you just don't remember.

[Mjolnir]

Erm, actually I'm new but thanks for the support Ferno hahaha.

[Ferno]

crap.