Cali School changes mind after complaints

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:52 pm

A 13 year boy was told he couldn't come to school with an American Flag attached to his bike. He was told there were complaints about the flag and it was causing racial tensions. Funny thing is there is an American Flag flying out side of the school house. They have since say the 13 year old may fly his flag on his bike.

So now it's apparently racist to fly the American Flag in America

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.actio ... 4978689580

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:05 pm

If a Mexican has a problem with an American flag in America, then that Mexican needs to kindly pack up their belongings and go back to Mexico, where the drug cartels will wave guns in their face and or murder them.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:36 pm

Krom wrote:If a Mexican has a problem with an American flag in America, then that Mexican needs to kindly pack up their belongings and go back to Mexico, where the drug cartels will wave guns in their face and or murder them.

I think that's maybe possibly a little, um, extreme.

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:15 am

null0010 wrote:
Krom wrote:If a Mexican has a problem with an American flag in America, then that Mexican needs to kindly pack up their belongings and go back to Mexico, where the drug cartels will wave guns in their face and or murder them.
I think that's maybe possibly a little, um, extreme.

Extreme, but imo, correct. If an immigrant has a problem with an American flag, they shouldn't be here, because they don't want to be an American, they want to Mexicanize America.

vision · Post by **vision** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:08 am

I must agree. One of my pet peeves is people flying their nation's flag too proudly in the USA. I'm not even a patriot; I just think it's disrespectful. The idea that the sight of the American flag inside our borders could cause racial tension makes me believe things are worse here than I thought.

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:08 am

Vision, this is what Canada has become. It's not \"Merry Xmas\" now it's \"happy Holidays\" cause you could offend another religion.

If you won't like it, GTFO!!!

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:54 am

CDN_Merlin wrote:If you won't like it, GTFO!!!

+1

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:35 am

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:50 am

Krom wrote:If a Mexican has a problem with an American flag in America, then that Mexican needs to kindly pack up their belongings and go back to Mexico, where the drug cartels will wave guns in their face and or murder them.

X2! Mexicans proud of their heritage should be disappointed in Mexico and be proud of the best American nation.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:26 am

If a person has a problem with America, that person should try to change America. That's what democracy does.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:37 am

null0010 wrote:If a person has a problem with America, that person should try to change America. That's what democracy does.

The sky is blue and I like cookies.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:02 am

Isaac wrote:
null0010 wrote:If a person has a problem with America, that person should try to change America. That's what democracy does.
The sky is blue and I like cookies.

I agree.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:18 am

null0010 wrote:
Isaac wrote:
null0010 wrote:If a person has a problem with America, that person should try to change America. That's what democracy does.
The sky is blue and I like cookies.
I agree.

I LIED! I only like certain cookies.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:58 am

Sir, you offend me!

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:55 pm

Bet51987 wrote:-1

we're still up by one so neeener neeener

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:16 pm

Go to any ARAB state and see what they will do to you if you start flying a US flag and say that the US is the best and see how many bullets get lodged in you.

We always have to bend to there ways but they will never change for us.

GET THE F*CK OUT IF YOU DON'T IT!!!!!!!

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:27 pm

I'm sorry sir but that is not how our government works. If it were, you would have to leave.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:34 pm

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:37 pm

null0010 wrote:If a person has a problem with America, that person should try to change America. That's what democracy does.

The big problem I have is that a lot of these Mexican immigrants are already changing America just by sheer presence of numbers.

So far we have:
-An option for spanish phone menus on pretty much every phone system in the US
-Menus and advertisements are now in English and Spanish.
-Several spanish speaking TV stations including a couple that are running nationwide through affiliates, namely Univision.
-Several controversies surrounding American patriotism "upsetting" mexicans inside American schools (anyone remember the Cinco de Mayo controversy with a group of kids wearing US Flag shirts on that day?)

The issue isn't the Mexicans who want to live here and stay here and be part of the US as it is. Those ones actually assimilate and add to our culture while embracing ours. The problem is there's so many mexicans who just want to come here and have it be like mexico would be if people were paid better and it wasnt a dust covered third world hellhole. Those ones want to be able to go into any business and speak spanish and shoot you if you try to make them learn english.

Sure, I'm being a little extreme, but I think were being way too tolerant of their lack of ability to actually assimilate into society. If they all came here and just wanted to work their asses off, buy a house, put down roots, learn the damned language, and have a good life, I would happily join them when they started petitioning congress to make Cinco de Mayo a national holiday, cause we all need more national holidays and excuses to go drink.

But thats not the case. So it's going to lead to a culture war. I sure as hell dont want to be speaking spanish, and I dont want any channels that speak spanish on my basic cable tier.

A major problem is that these mexicans have declared a culture war and the rest of America refuses to acknowledge it. It's just another way for the country to be divided, and that's just going to cost the country in the long run.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:44 pm

Why are any of those things a problem? As far as I can tell, you just plain don't like it. If someone wants to come live in the United States, but doesn't want to speak English, that's their problem. Let them do it. Doesn't hurt me one little bit. I think it's a dumb idea, but I am not opposed to it, but I am also not opposed to people getting so drunk they vomit.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:01 pm

Well the law says to become a citizen of the US you need Have the ability to read, write, speak, and understand English. So you just want them to keep violating our laws?

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:57 pm

What law says that? Show me.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:01 pm

null0010 wrote:If a person has a problem with America, that person should try to change America. That's what democracy does.

I'll refrain from explaining the difference between a democracy and a representative republic and go with your proposition...
Are you suggesting they work within the law?
If so I'm on your side.

Lets start by not giving special consideration for someone caught breaking the law because he is a minority who will vote largely for one party over the other and instead follow through with the punishment as the law is written. Of course change the law if you can get the votes but if you don't get the votes then you must execute the law ( not you individually, this rant is directed at the current administration and that of the municipalities and government agencies that are refusing to execute the law right now)

Or were you just posturing about expecting people to work within and respect the system we have?

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:26 pm

§ 312.1 Literacy requirements.
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(a) General. Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person shall be naturalized as a citizen of the United States upon his or her own application unless that person can demonstrate an understanding of the English language, including an ability to read, write, and speak words in ordinary usage in the English language.

http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title08/8-1.0.1.3.65.html

Ignorance of the law excuses no one not even your ignorance of the law.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:15 pm

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:20 pm

Avder wrote:So far we have:
-An option for spanish phone menus on pretty much every phone system in the US
-Menus and advertisements are now in English and Spanish.
-Several spanish speaking TV stations including a couple that are running nationwide through affiliates, namely Univision.

It's just good business. This is something that I'm more than content to let the free market handle.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:20 pm

Heretic wrote:Well the law says to become a citizen of the US you need Have the ability to read, write, speak, and understand English. So you just want them to keep violating our laws?

And where did I say anything less?

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:36 pm

Bet51987 wrote:You can still live and work in this country on a semi or permanent basis without speaking english. The english requirement is only when seeking citizenship.

Bee

Are you in favor of enforcing the laws that specify what basis they can enter or not enter the country?
Before one can legally stay on a 'semi or permanent basis' one would have to enter legally otherwise there is no legal basis by which one could stay here at all.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:08 pm

flip · Post by **flip** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:30 pm

Everybody should know by now that Bee's a communist

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:05 pm

Bet51987 wrote:
Will Robinson wrote:
Bet51987 wrote:You can still live and work in this country on a semi or permanent basis without speaking english. The english requirement is only when seeking citizenship.

Bee
Are you in favor of enforcing the laws that specify what basis they can enter or not enter the country?
Before one can legally stay on a 'semi or permanent basis' one would have to enter legally otherwise there is no legal basis by which one could stay here at all.
I think this is some type of "ad Hominem" but I could be wrong. If it is, I wish it was made of straw instead so I could light it on fire and kick the burning embers around.

Bee

Maybe it's just a simple question relevant to the discussion and you could consider what it is asking and then answer honestly, if not in public at least to yourself.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:18 pm

flip wrote:Everybody should know by now that Bee's a communist

Yes but she could answer questions without running away.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:04 pm

Nah. Bee's just a hippie.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:02 pm

Will Robinson wrote:
null0010 wrote:If a person has a problem with America, that person should try to change America. That's what democracy does.
Are you suggesting they work within the law?
If so I'm on your side.

I absolutely think they should work within the law. Become citizens, lobby Congress; like the rest of us. If someone doesn't like the way the country is run, try to change it. That's how our democracy works.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:01 am

null0010 wrote:That's how our democracy works.

Care to rethink that last remark. Last I heard this country is a Republic not a Democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:06 am

Heretic wrote:
null0010 wrote:That's how our democracy works.
Care to rethink that last remark. Last I heard this country is a Republic not a Democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

Actually the point Null makes is correct. We all think of America as a Democracy. While how laws get enacted and the whole process there-in is based on a republic, how the people force change is a democratic one. If US citizens of Latino descent want to band together (much like the tea party people)and influence the republic to enact laws for their benefit...so be it. I think what offends most of us are the illegals trying to force change without being required to pay the dues for the right to do so.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:02 am

I have to disagree with

We all think of America as a Democracy

Because if we all thought that I wouldn't have brought up the fact that we are a republic. Just because people think the US is a Democracy doesn't make it so. Besides the only ones with enough power and money to change America are the huge corporations. Just ask TC and friends.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:03 pm

You're just nitpicking. My statement still stands perfectly well if you substitute \"republic\" for \"democracy.\"

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:12 pm

If your really interested…

http://www.williampmeyers.org/republic.html

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:23 pm

\"... the Republic, for which it stands...\"

It's a Republic that is ruled by Democracy.

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