On the use of the word \"sheeple\"
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On the use of the word \"sheeple\"
Just stop. Please, I beg you.
Fear is the engine that destroys freedom.
It's not funny or creative in any way, it does not add to your point, it's a tired old metaphor, it makes you look like the very thing you are deriding for mindlessly stealing a word from that no-talent hack Ayn Rand without (probably) ever reading a thing she wrote.
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What gets me is his attempt to attribute the term to a person who was dead for 2 years before the word was ever used in printed.
Ayn Rand (1905–1982)
The term sheeple, which first appeared in the Wall Street Journal in 1984
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/buzz ... eeple.html
Ayn Rand (1905–1982)
The term sheeple, which first appeared in the Wall Street Journal in 1984
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/buzz ... eeple.html
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Null?!!??!?!?! How did he recover!?!?????Heretic wrote:What gets me is his attempt to attribute the term to a person who was dead for 2 years
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Heretic wrote:What gets me is his attempt to attribute the term to a person who was dead for 2 years before the word was ever used in printed.
Ayn Rand (1905–1982)
The term sheeple, which first appeared in the Wall Street Journal in 1984
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/buzz ... eeple.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheeple#Usage wrote:There is documented print usage of this word as early as 1950, in the form, "We, the Sheeple", in the Emory University Quarterly, v.6-7 1950-1951, page 64.
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I looked that up, and I don't know why I connected the word with Ayn Rand, but it is what it is. Regardless, using a word like sheeple, made popular by the media and politicians, to deride the actions and beliefs made popular by the media and politicians is very silly. I am reminded of an analogy about cookware.Heretic wrote:Does not prove Ayn Rand penned the term originally.
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So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
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Why is it silly when it fits? The masses behave like sheep, yet they are people. Hence, Sheeple.null0010 wrote:Regardless, using a word like sheeple, made popular by the media and politicians, to deride the actions and beliefs made popular by the media and politicians is very silly. I am reminded of an analogy about cookware.
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Check and mate, IMO.null0010 wrote:So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
IIRC \"Sheeple\" is a pop-culture warning against falling victim to this falacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
With aspects of warnings against \"Ignorance is Bliss\" also.
Sometimes it's used relevantly...
Sometimes not...
More to do with the idiocy of the poster than anything else really. Whatcha gonna do *shrug*
just ignore the poster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
With aspects of warnings against \"Ignorance is Bliss\" also.
Sometimes it's used relevantly...
Sometimes not...
More to do with the idiocy of the poster than anything else really. Whatcha gonna do *shrug*
just ignore the poster
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Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.Mjolnir wrote:Check and mate, IMO.null0010 wrote:So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
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You're trying so hard to poke holes in my argument; you must know I'm right, but want desperately for the opposite to be true.Heretic wrote:Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.Mjolnir wrote:Check and mate, IMO.null0010 wrote:So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
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I thought your argument here was "Please stop using the term 'sheeple' because I personally hate that word."null0010 wrote:You're trying so hard to poke holes in my argument; you must know I'm right, but want desperately for the opposite to be true.Heretic wrote:Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.Mjolnir wrote:Check and mate, IMO.null0010 wrote:So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
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Yes, that was his argument. Now he's mad because he can't prove his statement and he's pulling out the Strawman to win against my point. What a muttonheadAvder wrote:I thought your argument here was "Please stop using the term 'sheeple' because I personally hate that word."null0010 wrote:You're trying so hard to poke holes in my argument; you must know I'm right, but want desperately for the opposite to be true.Heretic wrote:Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.Mjolnir wrote:Check and mate, IMO.null0010 wrote:So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
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know dealnull0010 wrote:Just stop. Please, I beg you.
Is it me or are those "sheeple" hawt? x.x
Now let's start a thread about the use of the phrase "it is what it is" =P
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It is still my arguement ("Please stop using the word "sheeple" because it is a silly word, here are the reasons..."). You're just mad you can't come up with a counter to my original arguement, so now you're trying to change the subject and claim I'm a "bad author." You had to use a strawman to win against my point. What a muttonhead!Heretic wrote:Yes, that was his argument. Now he's mad because he can't prove his statement and he's pulling out the Strawman to win against my point. What a muttonheadAvder wrote:I thought your argument here was "Please stop using the term 'sheeple' because I personally hate that word."null0010 wrote:You're trying so hard to poke holes in my argument; you must know I'm right, but want desperately for the opposite to be true.Heretic wrote:Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.Mjolnir wrote:Check and mate, IMO.null0010 wrote:So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
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lol so are you man.Heretic wrote:lol you're funny man.
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Like C++ syntax, I believe.null0010 wrote:That's not easier, it's lazier.
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Oh well, so much for Wikipedia.null0010 wrote:That's not easier, it's lazier.
(double entendre)
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You mean like "lol" "omg" "r u in 2 it" instead of writing the stuff out? Are you not also guilty of using the lazy way out with Internet slang?null0010 wrote:That's not easier, it's lazier.
Just as netspeak, chatspeak, or Internet slang "people that act like sheep" becomes "Sheeple"
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That's the beauty of English, new words are created all through time because of morphing, shortening, inventing and combining. Have any of you tried to read something from just 200 years ago? Quite different from today. Ye Old English is almost impossible to decipher by now. Language evolves and it's usually out of laziness.
The urban dictionary calls the combing of 2 words a 'thunktion' (urban slang) and Wikipedia has the term 'Portmanteau' (more formal).
Thunktion
Portmanteau
Apparently this is all the rage on Facebook, along with the use of letters for words, thanks to texting (again, laziness).
Here's another recent example, thanks to Palin. \"Refudiate\" which combines \"refuse\" and \"repudiate\". What's funny is now I'm hearing TV news personalities actually slip up and use this word in a sentence and not catch their mistake. Palin made a new word!
The English language is so weird! More:
http://grammar.about.com/od/c/g/confusablesterm.htm
Then you're forgetting acronyms like VCR, DVR, CPU and GPU, all thanks to the technology revolution. These are now use as words. Who the hell is going to speak the whole phrase \"video cassette recorder, let alone write it!
The urban dictionary calls the combing of 2 words a 'thunktion' (urban slang) and Wikipedia has the term 'Portmanteau' (more formal).
Thunktion
Portmanteau
Apparently this is all the rage on Facebook, along with the use of letters for words, thanks to texting (again, laziness).
Here's another recent example, thanks to Palin. \"Refudiate\" which combines \"refuse\" and \"repudiate\". What's funny is now I'm hearing TV news personalities actually slip up and use this word in a sentence and not catch their mistake. Palin made a new word!
The English language is so weird! More:
http://grammar.about.com/od/c/g/confusablesterm.htm
Then you're forgetting acronyms like VCR, DVR, CPU and GPU, all thanks to the technology revolution. These are now use as words. Who the hell is going to speak the whole phrase \"video cassette recorder, let alone write it!
I am quite aware of how language evolves, but I simply don't like this one. It bothers me because it's not clever or original; it is stale and overused, mostly by the very people who it is intended to describe. Can't we just use a simple metaphor and say \"sheep?\"
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You're going to just have to suck it up and get used to it then.null0010 wrote:I am quite aware of how language evolves, but I simply don't like this one. It bothers me because it's not clever or original; it is stale and overused, mostly by the very people who it is intended to describe. Can't we just use a simple metaphor and say "sheep?"