Get Nailed!

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Wed May 05, 2004 12:47 pm

Get Nailed!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3685791.stm

"...his nailgun accidentally went off, shooting nails into his head."

Yeah - right. Wonder who he pissed off?

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed May 05, 2004 12:53 pm

"Evolution in action" didn't work this time..

Jagger · Post by **Jagger** » Wed May 05, 2004 12:53 pm

Really. How does a nailgun accidentally fire nails into the BACK of your head? The only way I can think of is he dropped it on the ground and fell on it.

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Wed May 05, 2004 3:11 pm

It said he slipped.

And the thing was automatic. (?)

Looks like we need an anti-nail gun lobby.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed May 05, 2004 4:05 pm

If that was an accident we have found the most unlucky man in the world.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Wed May 05, 2004 5:45 pm

DAYUM!!!! he is one lucky SOB

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Wed May 05, 2004 7:10 pm

Top Wop wrote:It said he slipped.

And the thing was automatic. (?)

Looks like we need an anti-nail gun lobby.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. ..."slipped"... i hope this guys doesn't drive. Or better yet, post on internet forums.

Kyouryuu · Post by **Kyouryuu** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:03 pm

The story is that it was a semiautomatic (EDIT: fully automatic) nail gun.

What legitimate use exists for a fully automatic nail gun is really a mystery to me.

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:13 am

An accident?

No freaking way. You don't get 4 nails in at similar angles and two nails at 90 degrees to them.

He pissed off the wrong person who happened to be holding a nail gun at the time.

It's simply not possible to do that by "accident" with a nail gun.

roid · Post by **roid** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:16 am

nailguns are woot

bam bam! bam bam!@

if he fell on backwards on it, it could have fired one into his skull, and the force of the firing would have bounced his head up so he could fall again on it, then again, then again, like a trampoline.

freak accident, but it's do-able.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:58 am

Do not argue with Mobius, he said it wasn't an accident, that makes it true.

B-

roid · Post by **roid** » Thu May 06, 2004 1:18 am

what's the difference between a semi automatic nailgun, and a normal nailgun?

the only nailgun's i've seen only fire when the head is depressed, and they only fire ONCE per depression.

i don't know anything about firearms, does "semiautomatic" mean that it can fire more than one round per trigger pull? or does it just mean that it's constantly fed nails.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Thu May 06, 2004 2:49 am

according to the article it says it had two settings. Manual and fullyautomatic, not semiautomatic. Course, again, whats the point of either a semiautomatic or fullyautomatic nailgun? The designers must have been Quake players

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Thu May 06, 2004 9:35 am

manual nailgun vs automatic nailgun?

Google is your friend.

The Family Handyman says "there's no substitute for an automatic nail gun. A palm nailer forces you to hold nails by hand to get them started before driving them in with the machine. A nail gun allows you to set a kajillion nails in a short time with one hand, since the gun automatically feeds nails from the magazine." (It seems this requires an air compressor.) Anyone who's ever done framing knows what a big deal it is to be able to be like "hey man, how are you doing?" *nail nail nail nail nail nail nail nail nail nail* "I'm good. How about you?" *nail nail nail nail nail nail nail nail nail nail* "Pretty good... just put in 20 nails in under 5 seconds." *nail nail nail nail nail nail nail nail nail nail* "Nice job... that's looking real good."

Warlock · Post by **Warlock** » Thu May 06, 2004 10:00 am

and most of thoes nail guns u half to have the front push down on the front befor it will fire. a little safty system

KompresZor · Post by **KompresZor** » Thu May 06, 2004 12:05 pm

I guess I better reply to this since I've been a carpenter for 27 years

There are two types of air nailers, Contact Actuation and Sequential. Contact Actuation nailers, AKA "bump guns", have two safeties that must be engaged before the gun will fire, a contact tip and the trigger. As long as both of these are engaged the gun will fire nails as fast as it can feed them, about 2 a second. These are the guns I prefer because you can just hold the trigger and "bump" the tip of the gun on a surface and it will fire a nail. You just have to remember to keep you finger off the trigger when you walking around.

The sequential nailer has the same basic system of contact tip and trigger, but will only fire one nail. Before the second nail can be fired the contact tip and the trigger must both be disengaged and engaged. In other words you have to lift the gun off the surface, let go of the trigger, press the tip back down and then pull the trigger again and it must be done in that order.

Let me translate this for you non-construction type

His colleagues said Isidro was using a nailgun that has both manual and fully automatic settings," said deputy sheriff Dan McPherson.

This means that they took a roll of electrical tape out of the truck and taped the trigger down because theyâ??re to lazy to pull the trigger manually.

It appears he slipped and fired into his skull.

That SOB will never screw with my wife again.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Thu May 06, 2004 2:04 pm

i see alot of people manipulating safties on nail guns to speed up their work, but that is always a deadly risk, as shown here. but this guy was lucky.

Kyouryuu · Post by **Kyouryuu** » Thu May 06, 2004 3:34 pm

I don't know anything about nail guns, but I was definitely under the impression you had to push down against the surface to be nailed in order for the nailgun to fire. That you couldn't just pull a trigger or something.

Anyhow, this modern-day Phineas Gage is quite lucky. He needs to buy himself a Powerball ticket, methinks.

Liquid Fire · Post by **Liquid Fire** » Thu May 06, 2004 3:55 pm

Yeah, I heard about that guy. I've always thought about what it would be like to have your brain dramatically altered like that. Kind of a wierd thought.

Deadmeat · Post by **Deadmeat** » Thu May 06, 2004 4:50 pm

Ok, no matter what kind of gun it was, it was rigged. Nail guns just don't "go off" like that.

I notice that this incident happened in California. Since I live there and have done construction work, let me fill you in on something.

Most contractors have their regular crews who are on the payroll and work accordingly. However, when a big project is in order, they will bring in "subcontractors" to do the framing. These guys are paid by how many linear feet of wall they can put up per day, so they're all into speed. And that makes them dangerous. They rig their guns thinking it will give them an edge, but it really doesn't. It just makes them more prone to accidents. And, because they're "subcontractors" they're not covered by workman's compensation.

Don't get me wrong here. I honestly feel for this man and I sincerely hope he recovers from his injuries. But, based on the information given, I feel he took his chances and is now paying the price. Fortunately I always worked with guys who had a "safety first" attitude.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Thu May 06, 2004 4:55 pm

I could see it happening... if he fell while working and the nail gun was left hanging from it's air hose, say over the top plate of a house he was framing...and he was also hanging upside down from his safety rope...over the same top plate...and the gun and his head ended up hanging at the same level...as they swing towards each other the trigger taped gun 'bumps' his head firing a nail....process repeats 5 times...

Yea, that could happen.

I also see the distinct possibility that this guy didn't pay his bookie on time and he recieved a visit from 'Tony the Butcher'!

XeonJr · Post by **XeonJr** » Thu May 06, 2004 5:24 pm

This story was aired last night on the TV. Apparently the guy was working on scafolding or the like. He tripped and fell onto a cooworker who was using the nail gun.

Jagger · Post by **Jagger** » Thu May 06, 2004 5:34 pm

XeonJr wrote:This story was aired last night on the TV. Apparently the guy was working on scafolding or the like. He tripped and fell onto a cooworker who was using the nail gun.

THAT makes more sense.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Thu May 06, 2004 5:55 pm

"Evolution in action" didn't work this time..

I disagree-- anyone that can survive that is in AFAI'm concerned.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu May 06, 2004 6:50 pm

Good point ! Now he needs to spread his genes...

Edit: Hm, KompresZor said that it fires ~2n/sec. The guy has 6 nails in his head, makes ~3sec. Awfully slow reaction time for everyone involved..

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Thu May 06, 2004 9:38 pm

This dude is lucky as hell to be alive.

roid · Post by **roid** » Thu May 06, 2004 11:10 pm

yeah kinda sounds like the "he tripped and fell down the stairs, into my knife, 12 times" line. good point grendel i hadn't thought of that, 3 whole seconds, that's fishy.

also did anyone else notice in the Xray of his head, 4 nails are in the back of his head, but 2 nails are about 70-80 degrees to the side of his head, they are facing to/away from the xray camera. that makes it even weirder.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri May 07, 2004 2:13 am

reminds me of when i put in a hardwood floor for my aunt. had a semiautomatic nailer with a head on it that you struck with a rubber mallet. three nails in a second was my average speed. and it was semiautomatic. saved a heck of a lot of time.

Boo · Post by **Boo** » Fri May 07, 2004 12:23 pm

"So he accidentaly crashed into the tree with the airbags disabled, and then due to his dazed state he tied a rock to his neck and jumped off the bridge... "