Where's the logic, or humanity?

[Tunnelcat]

What does everyone think about this little "incident" that went on between a Portland, Oregon hospital and the police? It was only about a 150 feet from the ER door to the victim's car in the hospital's parking lot and it took about 10 minutes for an ambulance to arrive and "drive" the patient to the ER. Of course, the poor guy had expired from heart failure by then.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/inde ... es_to.html

[Isaac]

Pardon but I skimmed the article. However here's my flawless epic Isaac logic. Enjoy:

If the guy thought he was having a heart attack he shouldn't have been driving to the hospital. All those innocent people on the road shouldn't have to die too. Assuming he didn't have a cellphone, he should have pulled the car into the closest business with a phone and said "I'm having a heart attack. I'll die on your floor if you don't call someone" and then lay down on the floor or something.

[Foil]

I've been noticing a number of stories lately about people trying to get themselves or their loved ones to the ER, and running into people who refuse to ignore 'policy' when they should. The most recent one I recall was a guy who was trying to get his family member to the ER, made a safe crossing through an intersection despite the light, and was held for something like half an hour by a police officer who refused to let him go.

I think it's reflective of a culture where people feel they can't do the right thing if it appears to conflict with 'policy'.

[flip]

Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. I'd made it to the ER, and here's a little information I'm not sure everyone knows, but at an accident or medical emergency, the EMT's and Physicians have authority over the police.

[Spidey]

This is a shame, mostly because company “policy” is not meant to be strictly enforced like a set of rules or laws. They are only guidelines set in place to give guidance in a particular instance, the absolute course of action is still dependant on each case.

We break policy all the time at my shop, depending on the circumstances.

[CUDA]

Aye Guidelines.

Keep to the Code

[CUDA]

on a serious note. the Hospital screwed up big time. and maybe the officers too, to a lesser extent. 150 feet from the entrance.CARRY THE MAN

some one at the Hospital will be reprimanded or lose their job. the Hospital staff appears to be lying about responding. per the 3 officers accounts. so they will get sued. policies will be modified and the wife will get millions.

and somewhere some lib in Portland will protest the fact that the Portland Police were involved somehow in the death of another minority

[Top Gun]

on a serious note. the Hospital screwed up big time. and maybe the officers too, to a lesser extent. 150 feet from the entrance.CARRY THE MAN

I'm sure the officers would have loved to, but the article states that they were actively engaged in CPR. You can't exactly carry someone 150 feet while continuing chest compressions on them at the same time. But they shouldn't have had to worry about it either way, because it's absolutely disgusting that no one in that hospital had enough of a head on their shoulders to violate "policy" and bring a damn stretcher out. This is a massive wrongful-death lawsuit waiting to happen.

[Tunnelcat]

Pardon but I skimmed the article. However here's my flawless epic Isaac logic. Enjoy:

If the guy thought he was having a heart attack he shouldn't have been driving to the hospital. All those innocent people on the road shouldn't have to die too. Assuming he didn't have a cellphone, he should have pulled the car into the closest business with a phone and said "I'm having a heart attack. I'll die on your floor if you don't call someone" and then lay down on the floor or something.

Maybe the guy didn't know he was having a heart attack. The symptoms can be pretty varied and completely disconnected from what a person thinks is a heart condition. My grandmother had strange symptoms for a whole 3 hours and thought it was just indigestion. By the time my grandfather became concerned that more was going on, he drove her to the hospital himself, still not realizing the seriousness of her symptoms. He drove her there himself because he lived in an area of Portland that most ambulances would have had trouble even finding. Unfortunately, she died after 2 weeks in a coma, because that delay in even realizing that she was having a heart attack, was too long.

There was a full page ad in the Saturday Oregonian, bought by this hospital, just to polish their image and hide their screw up. Well, I would feel a whole lot better if they put their effort and money towards some equipment that they could use to actually get sick patients from their own parking garage in an emergency. Calling an ambulance for a move of 150 feet is asinine, and life threatening. Doctors keep saying that time is critical in a heart situation. If they were close enough to help, but unwilling because of some policy, it's tragic. What happened to the Hippocratic Oath?

[Isaac]

Pardon but I skimmed the article. However here's my flawless epic Isaac logic. Enjoy:

If the guy thought he was having a heart attack he shouldn't have been driving to the hospital. All those innocent people on the road shouldn't have to die too. Assuming he didn't have a cellphone, he should have pulled the car into the closest business with a phone and said "I'm having a heart attack. I'll die on your floor if you don't call someone" and then lay down on the floor or something.

Maybe the guy didn't know he was having a heart attack. The symptoms can be pretty varied and completely disconnected from what a person thinks is a heart condition. My grandmother had strange symptoms for a whole 3 hours and thought it was just indigestion. By the time my grandfather became concerned that more was going on, he drove her to the hospital himself, still not realizing the seriousness of her symptoms. He drove her there himself because he lived in an area of Portland that most ambulances would have had trouble even finding. Unfortunately, she died after 2 weeks in a coma, because that delay in even realizing that she was having a heart attack, was too long.

Ah, the Cat of Tunnel speaks the truth.

[Tunnelcat]

The kitty will clear out the infested tunnels of Zeta Aquilae, Quartzon, Brimspark,...... of all infected robots, like slaughtering rats in a warren.

[Isaac]

I'm just following TC around forum i guess

The kitty will clear out the infested tunnels of Zeta Aquilae, Quartzon, Brimspark,...... of all infected robots, like slaughtering rats in a warren.

especially the guide bot!!!

[Tunnelcat]

No, that effing thief bot really gets my fur rubbed the wrong way, although the guide bot has incurred my wrath at times when it pesters me too much. At least you can tell it to kiss off when you get tired of it's puppy love.

[Burlyman]

Hey, what do you humans say we stop talking about logic and humanity and get back to the actual game and just blow each other up? ^_~ I know. I'm just dreaming. -.-

[Tunnelcat]

That's what humans do best.