In the Sewers you can't see the blood

[woodchip]

My my, how long has it been since Giffords been shot? How long has it been since the nasty Tea Party types were lambasted for using the phrase, "The Tree of Liberty needs watering". Well all that is pretty tame in comparison to this:

"A Democratic Congressman from Massachusetts is raising the stakes in the nation’s fight over the future of public employee unions, saying emails aren’t enough to show support and that it is time to “get a little bloody.”

“I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going. Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary,” Rep. Mike Capuano (D-Ma.) told a crowd in Boston on Tuesday rallying in solidarity for Wisconsin union members. "

Funny how the real monsters seem to show themselves best when Demoscammers feel threatened. Vote too distasteful, why just run and hide like the children they are. When that doesn't work lets send the thugs to the homes of those you don't like and intimidate their spouses and children. That doesn't work then it is time to get out the baseball bats and play hardball with the heads of the opposition. So those of you who are die hard liberals, you going to join with your bloody minded colleagues and teach those who don't agree with you what the new civility really means?

[Will Robinson]

Congress should quit having elections and just post this to Monster.Com:

Professional hypocrite wanted, experience with insidious demagoguery and class warfare rhetoric a plus but we will train you as needed.
Must be able to lie with no shame and steal from his own grandchildren on a regular basis.
Great benefit packages and salary for life. Access to currency printing press comes with the job and you make your own rules.
Immunity from almost all legal prosecution and civil liability as long as you are a productive employee.
Send resume to either the Republican or Democrat national party chairmen. We are an equal opportunity organized crime entity.

[Tunnelcat]

When rights come under attack, people WILL fight, HARD. What'd you expect? Yes, Obama and the Dems are now the problem, but I'd have more respect for Tea Baggers if they'd made a stink during Bushie's and his Republican reign that created our big, invasive government. Republicans only got religion AFTER they lost in 2008.

The way you talk woodchip, only conservatives are civil. They just go behind your back and take everything you've got and give it to those who already have too much, or get their corporate overlords to do their bidding for them and be rewarded for it handsomely. They've also sent out their OWN goon squads to Democratic rallies too, so they are just a guilty. AND YES, the Dems are not principled either in Washington. They've been inflected with the power and greed of hypocrisy too, so quit whining about just the Dems woodchip, They're ALL evil and unprincipled.

[SilverFJ]

"Tea-baggers", huh....Great way to take away any legitamacy from an otherwise agreeable post. Makes one sound like a 3rd-grader.

[woodchip]

When rights come under attack, people WILL fight, HARD. What'd you expect? Yes, Obama and the Dems are now the problem, but I'd have more respect for Tea Baggers if they'd made a stink during Bushie's and his Republican reign that created our big, invasive government. Republicans only got religion AFTER they lost in 2008.

The Tea Party was simply a grass roots response to the way govt. was handling the economy. I suspect if McCain was elected and did the same thing you'd of seen the same results. As far as the Bush years are concerned, people were working, stock market was up and most people understood that Iraq and Afghanistan were being fought so hopefully another 9/11 didn't happen.

The way you talk woodchip, only conservatives are civil. They just go behind your back and take everything you've got and give it to those who already have too much, or get their corporate overlords to do their bidding for them and be rewarded for it handsomely. They've also sent out their OWN goon squads to Democratic rallies too, so they are just a guilty. AND YES, the Dems are not principled either in Washington. They've been inflected with the power and greed of hypocrisy too, so quit whining about just the Dems woodchip, They're ALL evil and unprincipled.

Well TC, with all due respect I don't see conservatives being aligned with union thugs or issuing forth bloody diatribes as to how best intimidate people. I don't recall Tea Party types going to govt. officials homes to intimidate them or bankers homes or anyone elses homes. Have you seen conservatives marching around Michell Antoinette Obama's lavish vacations (how many is it now? I've lost count) where she stuffs herself with fat filled ribs, all the while telling us to eat tofu and cabbage leaves. Can you point out where conservative goons have gone to democratic liberal protests? So far the image burned in most of our retina's is the video of SEIU thugs knocking a black conservative protester to the ground. The same union whose leader el presidente Andy Stern has made 40+ visits to the White House. I wonder where he slept? So in comparison I'd have to say conservatives are down right angelic compared to the liberals.

[Will Robinson]

The "Tea Party" was forming during, and in part, because of Bush and his big government republicans for all the spending they were part of. The same people back then that were angry at Bush &Co. are still out there now as Tea Party members talking about how they want to curb "Big Government". Exactly when they officially adopted the name Tea Party and had their stationary printed etc. has little to do with when they started rising up to fight back.

That doesn't support the DNC talking points that 'Tea Party members are merely a racist reaction to the color of the Presidents skin' so in order to make their rhetoric seem legitimate TC, and the liberals have to selectively ignore reality.

[Krom]

And what did the Tea Party hope to accomplish? Because if they were mad about big government and the democrats just doing whatever they wanted...Then they failed miserably to correct the situation.

It is completely obvious with this latest round in Madison that the system is completely broken by the two parties and in desperate need of reform.

[SilverFJ]

I wouldn't say they failed miserably. A good number of Tea Party candidates are in right now and working on the reform we need.

[Tunnelcat]

The Tea Party was simply a grass roots response to the way govt. was handling the economy. I suspect if McCain was elected and did the same thing you'd of seen the same results. As far as the Bush years are concerned, people were working, stock market was up and most people understood that Iraq and Afghanistan were being fought so hopefully another 9/11 didn't happen.

Hah! Grass roots! That's rich! Founded by the likes of Dick Armey and Rick Santelli, a former Republican and the other a Wall Street worshiper! Independent of corporate influence my ***!

Well TC, with all due respect I don't see conservatives being aligned with union thugs or issuing forth bloody diatribes as to how best intimidate people. I don't recall Tea Party types going to govt. officials homes to intimidate them or bankers homes or anyone elses homes. Have you seen conservatives marching around Michell Antoinette Obama's lavish vacations (how many is it now? I've lost count) where she stuffs herself with fat filled ribs, all the while telling us to eat tofu and cabbage leaves. Can you point out where conservative goons have gone to democratic liberal protests? So far the image burned in most of our retina's is the video of SEIU thugs knocking a black conservative protester to the ground. The same union whose leader el presidente Andy Stern has made 40+ visits to the White House. I wonder where he slept? So in comparison I'd have to say conservatives are down right angelic compared to the liberals.

I've posted several videos of right wing wackos attacking lefties at their rallies. You've conveniently forgotten those and I'm going to have to search for the links again if you want proof. Also, you're forgetting the right wing crazies that have bombed abortion clinics and murdered doctors, Dr. Tiller, as a recent example.

SilverFJ and Will Robinson, I'll quit saying Tea Baggers if you quit saying Democrat Party.

[Will Robinson]

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Hah! Grass roots! That's rich! Founded by the likes of Dick Armey and Rick Santelli, a former Republican and the other a Wall Street worshiper! Independent of corporate influence my ***!

As I've pointed out to you before it clearly was born out of and still is a grass roots organization. Once it gained momentum and became a threat to the status quo the right wing establishment sought to co-opt the movement. It is kind of like when Mussolini suddenly abandoned the Allies and joined the Axis powers to fight with Hitler instead of against him....but we remember the sight of Mussolini's bullet ridden body hung upside down for the 'grass roots' members to spit on don't we? I expect the good old boys who try to claim the Tea Party will suffer a similar, albeit not violent, fate. We don't refer to the Nazi's as an organization influenced by Italy do we? Yet in your foolish attempt to filter every fact through the democrat party's propaganda machine you would.
You are so far down the democrats rabbit hole it's no wonder you don't have any ability to process thought logically. the only point you will acknowledge from my analogy is I made a parrallel between the Tea Party and Nazi's so you will no doubt latch on to that and ignore the substance of my point. You are the Sean Hannity of the left wing...only you have no TV show or radio show.

And yes, the Tea Party's publicity draws fringe elements which you once again tout as evidence of the character of the Tea Party instead of dealing with the substance of their message and deeds. Lets play a little game shall we? Since, according to your logic, the wacko's that an organization attracts to it's fringe define the organization, despite what ever work and message the organization delivers, what kind of group has your party become? Anarchists, communists, socialists, tree hugging looneys that think all-humans-should-perish or the earth is doomed, the list goes on and on... Lol!!
You are such a hypocrite. I think you must be drunk most of the time just spitting and drooling on your keyboard without a trace of logic running through your thoughts as you spout off the same old DNC support tripe never challenging your own thouughts.

...SilverFJ and Will Robinson, I'll quit saying Tea Baggers if you quit saying Democrat Party.

when I was growing up and learning about our government they were the Democrat Party... Kennedy was a Democrat...have they changed their official title to "Democratic" Party? If they have they should look up the definitions and re-consider putting out such a lie....running from the law to obstruct the voting process they were hired to partake in is not very democratic is it?well never mind, they never were concerned with lying because it brings them so much support from people like you who so joyously repeat those lies with no shame at all!

[Foil]

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[SilverFJ]

SilverFJ and Will Robinson, I'll quit saying Tea Baggers if you quit saying Democrat Party.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way butt-hurt, but when you say that it makes you sound like me and my buddies do after a good 20 shots of Jameson.

[CUDA]

I'll quit saying Tea Baggers if you quit saying Democrat Party.

Democrat party is the name of the Party chosen by the members that founded it.

"Tea Baggers" is a sexually derogatory term used by the left to slander the Tea Party movement AND YOU KNOW IT.

To tea bag is a slang term for the act of a man placing his scrotum in the mouth of a sexual partner. The practice resembles dipping a tea bag into a cup of tea when it is done in a repeated in-and-out motion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag_(sexual_act)

so unless you'd like Will and Silver to start using sexually derogatory terms to describe those of you on the left I would suggest you refrain from that terminology

[SilverFJ]

To tea bag is a slang term for the act of a man placing his scrotum in the mouth of a sexual partner. The practice resembles dipping a tea bag into a cup of tea when it is done in a repeated in-and-out motion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag_(sexual_act)

lol I cannot freakin take that seriously with that p-o'd Clint Eastwood picture next to it.

[SilverFJ]

But, seriously, topic.

I would have to say that Ron Paul would be the biggest bet for the Tea Party to get their way in the capital. He's a self-made millionaire like many other candidates, but he maintains his idealism. When Obama was yelling "change!", Dr. Ron was yelling what his own changes would actually be. So while it is a grassroots system, it doesn't hurt that some wealthy people side with us. Anyone that takes 5 minutes to listen to Ron Paul's platform and not vote for him is either stupid or insane.

Point being, even if the quo has to be maintained, even if we garner attention from the elite, it's still average Joe like me that make up our constituants.

[CUDA]

To tea bag is a slang term for the act of a man placing his scrotum in the mouth of a sexual partner. The practice resembles dipping a tea bag into a cup of tea when it is done in a repeated in-and-out motion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag_(sexual_act)

lol I cannot freakin take that seriously with that p-o'd Clint Eastwood picture next to it.

[Tunnelcat]

CUDA, SilverFJ and Will Robinson. "Democrat" Party is a SLUR used by conservatives! Origins, smorigins! It's the usage and context by conservatives that counts. Don't give me a bad time when I throw the some slur back at ya. By the way CUDA, I posted that definition of tea bagger a while ago and quickly pulled it out of some semblance of decorum when Lothar complained about it. I don't see him complaining about your graphic post now, hmmmmmmm?

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/0 ... _hertzberg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_P ... 8phrase%29

I'll quit using the slur for the Tea Party as of now, UNTIL one of you can't resist your basal urges to slur the Democrats. Civility works both ways.

The Tea Party is astroturf roots, not grass roots. Big money interests started it, is keeping it going, and is nurturing it with greed, resentment and racism. You can sugar coat it all you want, but that's the way it looks to most liberals. The Tea Party is just another crazy wing of the Republican Party. I did find that video of a MoveOn supporter getting stomped on by a right wing supporter of Rand Paul by the way. And the guy that did the stomping wants the victim to apologize to HIM! Nice guy to blame the victim. I didn't see her attack him at all. She was just carrying a sign around and being obnoxious, not physically violent.



Hey Foil, it wouldn't be any fun if there wasn't a liberal around here would it? It'd get awful boring listening to right wingers patting themselves on the back all the time. Somebody's got to counter things or it wouldn't be entertaining.

[Foil]

True, one of the great things about the DBB E&C is that we've always had all sides of the sociopolitical spectrum represented, even when the relative percentages drift one way or another.

It usually makes for some good dialogue, as long as the participants > keep things civil <.

[SilverFJ]

Insinuating that one participates in homoerotic, lascivious activities and a two-letter difference jab from 1890 are two different things.
And to cite your own citation:

[quote=" "Wikipedia, "Democrat" "]The term "Democrat Party" was in common use with no negative connotations by Democrats in some localities during the 1950s. The Dictionary of American Regional English gives numerous examples of "Democrat" being used as an adjective in everyday speech, especially in the Northeast.[/quote]

But, like I said, I don't care what you say or how you refer to those of us in the movement. You're free to say what you want and I respect that freedom. It just makes someone take you as seriously as if you put the microphone to your butt and farted during a debate. ...."oookayy......."

Now, once again, back to the topic, I'm in no way effected by avarice, and I am certainly not a racist. I am resentful when it comes to the government, as I feel they have been doing us wrong for far too long. I do not disagree that there are loonies and people on both sides that are simple sheep and bahh to wherever the herd is going. Abortion doctors get blown up and so do animal testing researchers. Anyone who pretends there are no stains on their respective movement is untrustworthy. Glenn Beck talks about the dangers of MoveOn and a giant number of conservatives watch his stuff, but never once has he suggested that we become violent, in fact, the opposite. One solid fact about the world is, there will be idiots no matter what.

And as for playing devil's advocate, thank you for providing our entertainment. With nobody to consistantly correct, like yourself, we would probably be discussing the body count in High Plains Drifter instead.

[Spidey]

Since people who belong to the Republican party are called “republicans”, I guess the only fair thing to do would be to call people who belong to the Democratic party “democratics“.

[CUDA]

we would probably be discussing the body count in High Plains Drifter instead.

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[Will Robinson]

TC are you even capable of understanding the Democrat Party was founded and self named The Democrat Party!! I haven't changed it at all...it is what they called themselves for at least a century!!!!!

The term Tea Bagger, as it was coined in the political vernacular, was introduced as an insult, that is it's origin in the world of politics and it's only history there!
I never called a democrat a democrat because I was hurling an insult. the people from the two parties were republican or democrat...period. Correct usage of the names chosen by the people we were talking about...period.
You, on the other hand, can only be trying to insult the Tea Party members by calling them Tea Baggers.
So you don't get to have it both ways! Stop your whining, you chose to be an insulting little biotch by using that term so deal with the consequences of your decision. You don't get to claim the high road after delivering the insult, we aren't your girlfriends. If you want to be cute and use backhanded compliments learn how.

[Foil]

Carry on, but just a reminder for everyone in here:

> keep things civil <

[Tunnelcat]

TC are you even capable of understanding the Democrat Party was founded and self named The Democrat Party!! I haven't changed it at all...it is what they called themselves for at least a century!!!!!

The term Tea Bagger, as it was coined in the political vernacular, was introduced as an insult, that is it's origin in the world of politics and it's only history there!
I never called a democrat a democrat because I was hurling an insult. the people from the two parties were republican or democrat...period. Correct usage of the names chosen by the people we were talking about...period.
You, on the other hand, can only be trying to insult the Tea Party members by calling them Tea Baggers.
So you don't get to have it both ways! Stop your whining, you chose to be an insulting little biotch by using that term so deal with the consequences of your decision. You don't get to claim the high road after delivering the insult, we aren't your girlfriends. If you want to be cute and use backhanded compliments learn how.

I'm not claiming the high road in civility, I've been guilty of being nasty and hateful because I get emotional sometimes. However, I AM intending to insult the Tea Party, as long as they remain an arm of the extreme right wing of the Republican party and keep calling us liberals "fascist, socialist, baby killing, unpatriotic and Un-American". I consider what they espouse a threat to me and all I hold dear in this country. I don't even consider myself a far left liberal either.

Yes, I know Democrat Party was the original vernacular and the party was founded with that name, I'm not an idiot. But ever since Bush may or may not have used a Malaprop when he said it AND every Fox News personality jumped on the band wagon and started using it as a derogatory slur against the Dems, AND YOU KNOW FULL WELL THEY ARE, tit for tat applies in my book. It's now about the context in which it's used. When Republicans and Tea Partiers start treating liberals as members of American society that have ideas with merit, instead of sign waving vehemence and revulsion, my opinion will change. But in spirit, I've held back this time.

But I'm not a totally crazy liberal. After just getting done with doing my taxes and tearing my eyes out in the process, I'm starting to warm up to the Fair Tax Act in principle. The tax code is a supreme, epic disaster just waiting to be nuked.

[Spidey]

Ok tc, only because I’m stupid…

Just what is the insult when Democrat is used place of Democratic?

[null0010]

Amusingly, I have seen some instances of tea party members self-identifying as "teabaggers."

[Burlyman]

In case there's any doubt here that Will knows where there's danger.........

CONgress should quit having elections and just post[al] this to Monster.Com:

Professional hypocrite WANTED, experience with insidious deMAGOGuery and CLASS warFAIR worefare whorefair rhetoric a plus but we will train you as needed.
Must be able to LIE WITH no shame and steal from his own GRANDchildren on a regular basis [abase].
Great benefit packages and salary for life. Access to currency printing PRESS comes with the JOB and you make your own RULEs.
Immunity from almost all legal prosexution [prostitution?] and civil LIEability as long as you are a PRODUCTive emPLOYee.
Send resume to [N]either the Republican or Democrat national party chairmen. WE are an equal opportun[istic]ity ORGANized crime ENTITY.

MONSTER.com lol I'll have a good laugh about monster.com from now on.

I'm actually enjoying listening to the viewpoints here. I didn't notice any mad bro's... I like the image of the playground.

[Tunnelcat]

Ok tc, only because I’m stupid…

Just what is the insult when Democrat is used place of Democratic?

Because Fox News and other right wing media types use the term with a sneer when they say it.

Tea Party member started it because they couldn't find a better way to show a representation of the original Tea Party. I mean, how do you display tea? Bags or a box? They need a new logo.

[SilverFJ]

They need a new logo.