Bomb attack in Oslo

[woodchip]

I think Christian livers taste like fava beans.

[Sergeant Thorne]

Plenty of people hate Christians. A lot of "Christianity" is too inconsequential to bother hating, though, at least in the U.S. When a "church leader" can't even decide who's headed for hell, or whether anyone is actually going to hell, then there's not much reason to take exception outside of a dislike of the culture. You want to be hated by someone, tell them what they're doing is wrong when they know it's true but want to do it anyway.

[CUDA]

When a "church leader" can't even decide who's headed for hell, or whether anyone is actually going to hell,

I have to take exception with this comment. show me where it says A church leader has the ability to decide who's going to hell.

Plenty of people hate Christians

they hate Christians because of your above comment. they are Judged by them. and they don't like it.
it is not your job or right as a Christian to judge Non-Christians. EVER. With fellow Christians it says to warn them, but again you are not to judge them. and I know what it says in Matthew about church Discipline, but that is for the sole purpose of protecting the flock and the Sole motive in your confrontations should be for restoration not condemnation.

[null0010]

It's interesting that suddenly- if you're anti jihad (basically anti-extremist) you're suddenly just as guilty of murder as a madman that gunned down 70 odd defenseless children.

Huh?

[LEON]

It's interesting that suddenly- if you're anti jihad (basically anti-extremist) you're suddenly just as guilty of murder as a madman that gunned down 70 odd defenseless children.

Huh?

He mean if you are agaist jihad, you will be associated with the terrorist from Norway.
Its easy to misunderstand ThunderBunny's quote because when he wrote 'anti jihad' we automaticly thought about Breivik. So it looks like he wrote "If you are like Breivik, you are as guilty as Breivik"
Point is you can be anti jihad without suporting terrorism.

Funny though, ThunderBunny's quote actually prove his point.

[null0010]

He mean if you are agaist jihad, you will be associated with the terrorist from Norway.

Who would ever make that association? That's ridiculous.

[Sergeant Thorne]

When a "church leader" can't even decide who's headed for hell, or whether anyone is actually going to hell,

I have to take exception with this comment. show me where it says A church leader has the ability to decide who's going to hell.

You misunderstood me. I was referring to the inability of some church leaders to simply side with the words of scripture in places like Revelation 21:8 and 1 Cor 6:9-10.

"Christ did not come to condemn the world, but that the world, through him, might be saved" I believe that this should be the emphasis, but supposedly-Godly men are cowards when they will not speak against things which are popular with men but an offense to God, and would rather say that they'll let God be the judge--God will be the judge, but his criteria are laid out plainly in scripture and they are ducking it. If God's judgment on sin is not made known, from what are men escaping in believing on Christ? It's not our business to go around condemning people that God would save (everyone), but we can certainly judge men's deeds according to the word of God. There's a big difference between saying that Zuruck is going to hell, and stating that if Zuruck does not repent from X, Y, and Z, the Bible says that he will have his part in the lake of fire. One is a statement that would be wrong to make, because I am not the judge, and the other is a statement of scriptural truth.

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How's that working out for you Thorne? Is it growing all around you or still stagnant as hell? The word said that the Holy Spirit would convict of sin, but first they must hear the Good News. I agree with your statement only if done in an open forum. One where you stand up and speak but to no one in particular. You ever retrieved something that's fallen next to a hot fire?

[LEON]

He mean if you are agaist jihad, you will be associated with the terrorist from Norway.

Who would ever make that association? That's ridiculous.

Agree.

[Sergeant Thorne]

I agree with your statement only if done in an open forum. One where you stand up and speak but to no one in particular.

Sometimes the way I express myself is counter-intuitive, because it's not really a representation of how I would conduct myself in a personal encounter. I'm not the guy telling you you're going to hell, I'm the guy you're uncomfortable around on a certain level because I'm obviously a straight-shooter, I have a reputation as a Christian, so you avoid most topics that might bring to light any stark differences. But every once in a while you're genuinely curious about what I think/believe on a certain topic and I tell you. Sounds kind of lame, but I've mostly kept things to myself for the last 9 years or so for certain reasons. I have some strong convictions, but I don't go out of my way to enter into debate or argument unless some special situation arises and I feel strongly about it (that part is closer to how I conduct myself here).