The Circus may fold

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:21 pm

Poor little Trump. He don't get no respect. He could only get Ol' Newt and Google Problem' Santorum to sign up for his little Saturday debate party, so he may have to cancel. Everyone else had the intelligence to flee, even Bachmann and Perry.

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-might-scrub ... 58348.html

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:06 pm

It's really something when even the loonier candidates in the lineup give him a thanks-but-no-thanks.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:11 pm

And nothing of value was lost.

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:35 pm

Not really anything gained, either.

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woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:15 am

On the flip side we might have gotten some real questions about what each candidate will do about the economy instead of vacuous questions about a candidates sex life.

Zuruck · Post by **Zuruck** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:53 pm

While I agree that the questions in a presidential debate about Cain's sex life were completely idiotic and indicative of our current society, I don't agree that the Trump would be a good moderator. Especially considering that he is still mulling the idea of jumping in the race....that seems pretty dumb.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:40 pm

Zuruck wrote:While I agree that the questions in a presidential debate about Cain's sex life were completely idiotic and indicative of our current society, I don't agree that the Trump would be a good moderator. Especially considering that he is still mulling the idea of jumping in the race....that seems pretty dumb.

Oh no, I think he's sniffing for the veep spot. Newt's got too big an ego to play second fiddle to Trump. Wait, on the other hand, who's got the bigger self-serving ego? Oooooooooooo, clash of the Titans! Kind of like Palin vs. McCain.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:07 am

I'm just amused reading 'Bachmann', 'Perry' and 'intelligence' in the same sentence........

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:33 am

callmeslick wrote:I'm just amused reading 'Bachmann', 'Perry' and 'intelligence' in the same sentence........

I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders

flip · Post by **flip** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:35 am

Obama will do exactly what his wife tells him too

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:41 pm

woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders

Has Obama ever demonstrated gross ignorance of basic elements of the Constitution, or current events, or anything along those lines? I'm pretty sure we would have had it strewn all over the front pages if he had.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:56 pm

Top Gun wrote:
woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders
Has Obama ever demonstrated gross ignorance of basic elements of the Constitution, or current events, or anything along those lines? I'm pretty sure we would have had it strewn all over the front pages if he had.

No Obama has NEVER demonstrated Gross Ignorance of any basic element of our Constitution, or any other world events

this is just a small sample

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:29 pm

Yes, because minor word flubs are the same thing as not knowing what the voting age is, or not knowing what's been happening in Libya. Y'know, tiny little issues like that. Anyone who looks at the entire current Republican lineup and doesn't burst out laughing is just being disingenuous.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm

Top Gun wrote:
woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders
Has Obama ever demonstrated gross ignorance of basic elements of the Constitution, or current events, or anything along those lines? I'm pretty sure we would have had it strewn all over the front pages if he had.

Actually his not backing the Iran uprising was a show of ignorance and was talked about in the press. As was his complete withdrawal of all troops from Iraq for simple self preserving political expediency. Then there was the freezing of oil rig permits that cost the gulf coast 50k jobs. Want me to continue?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:02 pm

The Iran situation was far more nebulous and ill-defined than even the current Syrian situation is (although that's changing by the day), which itself was far less favorable for intervention than Libya was. There's no purpose for us continuing to be in Iraq, though if you want to spin that as mere "political expediency," go ahead. And maybe calling a moratorium on new drilling permits was a prudent idea after, oh, the worst ecological disaster in American history? Nah, couldn't be.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:09 pm

woodchip wrote:
callmeslick wrote:I'm just amused reading 'Bachmann', 'Perry' and 'intelligence' in the same sentence........
I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders

it is a sad commentary that you could even attempt to equate them, with the exception of maybe Paul or Huntsman.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:13 pm

Top Gun wrote:Yes, because minor word flubs are the same thing as not knowing what the voting age is, or not knowing what's been happening in Libya. Y'know, tiny little issues like that. Anyone who looks at the entire current Republican lineup and doesn't burst out laughing is just being disingenuous.

it's heartening to hear you say that......I suspect that feeling has done nothing but grow, nationwide as this collection of morons has demonstrated the dumbing down of the GOP(once the party of Nixon, Goldwater, Rockafeller and a host of VERY intellignet men).

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:19 pm

woodchip wrote:Actually his not backing the Iran uprising was a show of ignorance and was talked about in the press. As was his complete withdrawal of all troops from Iraq for simple self preserving political expediency. Then there was the freezing of oil rig permits that cost the gulf coast 50k jobs. Want me to continue?

you are seriously attempting to equate what at best were questionble calls with:
1. Mistaking what state the American Revolution started in(Bachmann)
2. Claiming the founding fathers wanted to end slavery(Bachmann again)
3. Failing to identify the whole Libyan conflict(Cain)
4. Not knowing the legal voting age(Perry)
5. Claiming that 'no one expects me to know about foreign policy'(Cain)
6. Not being able to name three Executive departments(Perry)

.....I could go on, but to equate such things merely displays a laughable level of Obama-hate on your part woodchip. Sad, really.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:31 pm

Actually JFTR some of the Founding Fathers did want to end slavery but, it was put off “to future generations” in order to insure ratification.

Anyway…

People who defend politicians instead of the value of their own beliefs have a very heavy burden to bear. If you think one party or side has better ideas than the other…good for you…if you believe one party or side has better people than the other…TG has a bridge for you…

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:21 pm

CUDA wrote:
Top Gun wrote:
woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders
Has Obama ever demonstrated gross ignorance of basic elements of the Constitution, or current events, or anything along those lines? I'm pretty sure we would have had it strewn all over the front pages if he had.
No Obama has NEVER demonstrated Gross Ignorance of any basic element of our Constitution, or any other world events

this is just a small sample

Like Ol' George had perfect record of no flubs with everything that came pouring out of his mouth. I remember quite a few Bushisms that were absolute loo loos. Here's a pretty good sampling. It's a loooooooooong list. I think it definitely tops Obama's list

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm

Edit: Trump was a no show. Too bad. Might have been iiiiiiiinteeeeeeerrrrrrrrreeeeeeesting.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:14 pm

tunnelcat wrote:Like Ol' George had perfect record of no flubs with everything that came pouring out of his mouth. I remember quite a few Bushisms that were absolute loo loos. Here's a pretty good sampling. It's a loooooooooong list. I think it definitely tops Obama's list

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm

Edit: Trump was a no show. Too bad. Might have been iiiiiiiinteeeeeeerrrrrrrrreeeeeeesting.

WHOOPS here we go again back to talking about GW. I swear you have a crush on the man. you never stop talking about him. I truly believe there is not a week that goes by without you bringing him up.

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CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:13 pm

Spidey wrote:Actually JFTR some of the Founding Fathers did want to end slavery but, it was put off “to future generations” in order to insure ratification.

FACT

Anyway…

People who defend politicians instead of the value of their own beliefs have a very heavy burden to bear. If you think one party or side has better ideas than the other…good for you…if you believe one party or side has better people than the other…TG has a bridge for you…

FACT again

Zuruck · Post by **Zuruck** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:53 am

Hey woodchip, I'd just like to remind you that the Status of Forces Agreement, signed by Bush and Maliki, called for the troops to be withdrawn by 2012. Obama is merely following the pact that was signed by the former President.

Of course you knew that already though...

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:07 am

Zuruck wrote:Hey woodchip, I'd just like to remind you that the Status of Forces Agreement, signed by Bush and Maliki, called for the troops to be withdrawn by 2012. Obama is merely following the pact that was signed by the former President.

Of course you knew that already though...

Yes but the ignorance of Obama to state "he" was pulling the troops out is the political expediency part. Did Obama publicly state the pull out was due to anything other than it was his decision? By stating the pull out was his sole pervue and the press stating the military did not want to do so makes sure Obama's rabid liberal base was satiated.
Perhaps Obama did this to draw focus away from the real engineer of the SOFA...George W Bush's administration. Can't be giving credit to Bush now can we. Curious how during his 2008 bid Obama made statements to the effect he would be pulling the troops out of Iraq when the SOFA was already in place.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:11 am

callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:Actually his not backing the Iran uprising was a show of ignorance and was talked about in the press. As was his complete withdrawal of all troops from Iraq for simple self preserving political expediency. Then there was the freezing of oil rig permits that cost the gulf coast 50k jobs. Want me to continue?
you are seriously attempting to equate what at best were questionble calls with:
1. Mistaking what state the American Revolution started in(Bachmann)
2. Claiming the founding fathers wanted to end slavery(Bachmann again)
3. Failing to identify the whole Libyan conflict(Cain)
4. Not knowing the legal voting age(Perry)
5. Claiming that 'no one expects me to know about foreign policy'(Cain)
6. Not being able to name three Executive departments(Perry)

.....I could go on, but to equate such things merely displays a laughable level of Obama-hate on your part woodchip. Sad, really.

Yeah they had flubs, none of which affected anything. Obama's ignorance killed the Iran spring and cost people their livelihood. Puff Obama all you want Slick, but he's a disaster to this country and will be doubly so if he becomes a lame duck president.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:25 am

callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:
callmeslick wrote:I'm just amused reading 'Bachmann', 'Perry' and 'intelligence' in the same sentence........
I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders
it is a sad commentary that you could even attempt to equate them, with the exception of maybe Paul or Huntsman.

Curious how your view of the GOP candidates changes over a few months:

Slicks Quotes
"Ron Paul or Newt Gingrich(men of real intelligence, whether one agrees with them or not) haven't a chance. Sad, really, but true."
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18670&p=290515&hili ... ch#p290515

"The Gingrich bandwagon seems to have derailed rather quickly..........
damn, there goes one of the few 'ideas' people on the right, with the wits to put those ideas forth."
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18465&hilit=+gingrich

Like a good liberal promoter you build up the candidates who are low in the polls. When they rise to the top they then become idiots. Too bad you don't work for Obama seeing as how transparent you are.

Zuruck · Post by **Zuruck** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:56 pm

The agreement was not signed until after after the election. The framework was in place but nothing was solidified until after Obama's campaign. But the facts don't really matter, as I said before regardless of what it is or what the circumstances are you will find fault with whatever Obama does.

As for what his military commanders say, who gives a ★■◆●? They didn't sign the pact with Iraq and I guarantee that if Obama violated the terms of the SOFA, your side would be all up in arms about that. So what gives...let's keep having the same circle jerk over and over again.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:49 pm

CUDA wrote: WHOOPS here we go again back to talking about GW. I swear you have a crush on the man. you never stop talking about him. I truly believe there is not a week that goes by without you bringing him up.

Kind of like you with Obama. You can't help but gripe about him constantly at every opportunity, but conveniently keep forgetting that the last guy was a moron.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:00 pm

This country has been going in the very same direction since the early 90's. I gain more and more respect for Mr. Clinton every day.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:08 pm

I say the trick nowadays is not to find out where these candidates differ, but where they are agreeing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOAk-7F1EVU

They may differ on social issues, but all members of this group have one thing in common.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:10 pm

woodchip, I'll admit, freely, that I am shocked Newt made a comeback, and I should have added him to my short list of semi bright folks out there. Still, he comes up with FAR too many idiotic ideas, such as the child labor thing for his own good.

Oh, and it's one thing to feel that Obvama made a mistake, or to differ in principle from actions he took. It is another to act like stone cold morons, which describes over half the GOP Presidential field. You all are the ones claiming Obama to not be intelligent, and that is pure Obama-Hate in action. Any dolt can see an intelligent man there, whether you agrree with him or not.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:16 pm

tunnelcat wrote:
CUDA wrote: WHOOPS here we go again back to talking about GW. I swear you have a crush on the man. you never stop talking about him. I truly believe there is not a week that goes by without you bringing him up.
Kind of like you with Obama. You can't help but gripe about him constantly at every opportunity, but conveniently keep forgetting that the last guy was a moron.

only one SLIGHT difference. Obama is the CURRENT President and deserves all the scrutiny he is getting, because he has the power to either fix or further screw-up this country, while your Idol GW is RETIRED and the only power he has is to turn on his remote and watch Obama either fix or further screw-up this country. but I guess that point slipped by you. but if it makes you feel better to believe that all the world failings are GW's fault, then i guess that's a burden you will need to live with. but please live with it in silence, because it's tiresome to the rest of us.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:19 pm

callmeslick wrote:woodchip, I'll admit, freely, that I am shocked Newt made a comeback, and I should have added him to my short list of semi bright folks out there. Still, he comes up with FAR too many idiotic ideas, such as the child labor thing for his own good.

Oh, and it's one thing to feel that Obvama made a mistake, or to differ in principle from actions he took. It is another to act like stone cold morons, which describes over half the GOP Presidential field. You all are the ones claiming Obama to not be intelligent, and that is pure Obama-Hate in action. Any dolt can see an intelligent man there, whether you agrree with him or not.

I wont question his intelligence. but his leadership and decision making I will question all day. as I used to say about GW you CANNOT be stupid and get elected to the POTUS. Obama is not stupid.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:22 pm

that's fair enough, CUDA.......

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:22 pm

Would it also be fair to say that no one gets elected President without friends and that those are the real architects?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:15 pm

How's Newt going to do that with no friends? Most Republican power brokers and insiders hate him and would prefer he went away.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/983 ... republican

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:26 pm

No one can say a thing against Ron Paul and as long as he has been there, he has yet to be invited to the CFR. Probably because of his counter-views. Globalization is inevitable, but someone like Paul or Clinton would have us be strong when we get there. I get the feeling the rest are ready to cash out and head towards the Riviera

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:46 am

CUDA wrote:
callmeslick wrote:woodchip, I'll admit, freely, that I am shocked Newt made a comeback, and I should have added him to my short list of semi bright folks out there. Still, he comes up with FAR too many idiotic ideas, such as the child labor thing for his own good.

Oh, and it's one thing to feel that Obvama made a mistake, or to differ in principle from actions he took. It is another to act like stone cold morons, which describes over half the GOP Presidential field. You all are the ones claiming Obama to not be intelligent, and that is pure Obama-Hate in action. Any dolt can see an intelligent man there, whether you agrree with him or not.
I wont question his intelligence. but his leadership and decision making I will question all day. as I used to say about GW you CANNOT be stupid and get elected to the POTUS. Obama is not stupid.

There is a difference between stupidity and ignorance.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:19 pm

CUDA wrote:only one SLIGHT difference. Obama is the CURRENT President and deserves all the scrutiny he is getting, because he has the power to either fix or further screw-up this country, while your Idol GW is RETIRED and the only power he has is to turn on his remote and watch Obama either fix or further screw-up this country. but I guess that point slipped by you. but if it makes you feel better to believe that all the world failings are GW's fault, then i guess that's a burden you will need to live with. but please live with it in silence, because it's tiresome to the rest of us.

Well, the only reason I'm flogging a dead horse is because I think GW is more responsible for this economic mess that Obama is. Sure, Obama's been a spineless waffler, ineffective leader and corporate political tool and I'm not going to choke down another vote for him, but GW's the one that trashed the house, then left the disaster for Obama to straighten out with a parting; "Thankyou very much. I had my fun". Obama also got stuck with a bunch of Republican and ConservaDem 2-year olds in Congress that have refused to work with him at all to help clean up the mess, of which a good chunk of was also their responsibility.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:38 pm

The last time I checked Obama didn’t get “stuck” with anything…he wanted the job. If he wasn’t up to it, he should have left it to someone else.