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Poor little Trump. He don't get no respect. He could only get Ol' Newt and Google Problem' Santorum to sign up for his little Saturday debate party, so he may have to cancel. Everyone else had the intelligence to flee, even Bachmann and Perry.
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It's really something when even the loonier candidates in the lineup give him a thanks-but-no-thanks.
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And nothing of value was lost.
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Not really anything gained, either.
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On the flip side we might have gotten some real questions about what each candidate will do about the economy instead of vacuous questions about a candidates sex life.
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While I agree that the questions in a presidential debate about Cain's sex life were completely idiotic and indicative of our current society, I don't agree that the Trump would be a good moderator. Especially considering that he is still mulling the idea of jumping in the race....that seems pretty dumb.
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Oh no, I think he's sniffing for the veep spot. Newt's got too big an ego to play second fiddle to Trump. Wait, on the other hand, who's got the bigger self-serving ego? Oooooooooooo, clash of the Titans! Kind of like Palin vs. McCain.Zuruck wrote:While I agree that the questions in a presidential debate about Cain's sex life were completely idiotic and indicative of our current society, I don't agree that the Trump would be a good moderator. Especially considering that he is still mulling the idea of jumping in the race....that seems pretty dumb.
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I'm just amused reading 'Bachmann', 'Perry' and 'intelligence' in the same sentence........
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I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenderscallmeslick wrote:I'm just amused reading 'Bachmann', 'Perry' and 'intelligence' in the same sentence........
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Obama will do exactly what his wife tells him too
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Has Obama ever demonstrated gross ignorance of basic elements of the Constitution, or current events, or anything along those lines? I'm pretty sure we would have had it strewn all over the front pages if he had.woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders
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No Obama has NEVER demonstrated Gross Ignorance of any basic element of our Constitution, or any other world eventsTop Gun wrote:Has Obama ever demonstrated gross ignorance of basic elements of the Constitution, or current events, or anything along those lines? I'm pretty sure we would have had it strewn all over the front pages if he had.woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders
this is just a small sample
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Yes, because minor word flubs are the same thing as not knowing what the voting age is, or not knowing what's been happening in Libya. Y'know, tiny little issues like that. Anyone who looks at the entire current Republican lineup and doesn't burst out laughing is just being disingenuous.
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Actually his not backing the Iran uprising was a show of ignorance and was talked about in the press. As was his complete withdrawal of all troops from Iraq for simple self preserving political expediency. Then there was the freezing of oil rig permits that cost the gulf coast 50k jobs. Want me to continue?Top Gun wrote:Has Obama ever demonstrated gross ignorance of basic elements of the Constitution, or current events, or anything along those lines? I'm pretty sure we would have had it strewn all over the front pages if he had.woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders
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The Iran situation was far more nebulous and ill-defined than even the current Syrian situation is (although that's changing by the day), which itself was far less favorable for intervention than Libya was. There's no purpose for us continuing to be in Iraq, though if you want to spin that as mere "political expediency," go ahead. And maybe calling a moratorium on new drilling permits was a prudent idea after, oh, the worst ecological disaster in American history? Nah, couldn't be.
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it is a sad commentary that you could even attempt to equate them, with the exception of maybe Paul or Huntsman.woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenderscallmeslick wrote:I'm just amused reading 'Bachmann', 'Perry' and 'intelligence' in the same sentence........
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it's heartening to hear you say that......I suspect that feeling has done nothing but grow, nationwide as this collection of morons has demonstrated the dumbing down of the GOP(once the party of Nixon, Goldwater, Rockafeller and a host of VERY intellignet men).Top Gun wrote:Yes, because minor word flubs are the same thing as not knowing what the voting age is, or not knowing what's been happening in Libya. Y'know, tiny little issues like that. Anyone who looks at the entire current Republican lineup and doesn't burst out laughing is just being disingenuous.
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you are seriously attempting to equate what at best were questionble calls with:woodchip wrote:Actually his not backing the Iran uprising was a show of ignorance and was talked about in the press. As was his complete withdrawal of all troops from Iraq for simple self preserving political expediency. Then there was the freezing of oil rig permits that cost the gulf coast 50k jobs. Want me to continue?
1. Mistaking what state the American Revolution started in(Bachmann)
2. Claiming the founding fathers wanted to end slavery(Bachmann again)
3. Failing to identify the whole Libyan conflict(Cain)
4. Not knowing the legal voting age(Perry)
5. Claiming that 'no one expects me to know about foreign policy'(Cain)
6. Not being able to name three Executive departments(Perry)
.....I could go on, but to equate such things merely displays a laughable level of Obama-hate on your part woodchip. Sad, really.
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Actually JFTR some of the Founding Fathers did want to end slavery but, it was put off “to future generations” in order to insure ratification.
Anyway…
People who defend politicians instead of the value of their own beliefs have a very heavy burden to bear. If you think one party or side has better ideas than the other…good for you…if you believe one party or side has better people than the other…TG has a bridge for you…
Anyway…
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Like Ol' George had perfect record of no flubs with everything that came pouring out of his mouth. I remember quite a few Bushisms that were absolute loo loos. Here's a pretty good sampling. It's a loooooooooong list. I think it definitely tops Obama's listCUDA wrote:No Obama has NEVER demonstrated Gross Ignorance of any basic element of our Constitution, or any other world eventsTop Gun wrote:Has Obama ever demonstrated gross ignorance of basic elements of the Constitution, or current events, or anything along those lines? I'm pretty sure we would have had it strewn all over the front pages if he had.woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenders
this is just a small sample
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm
Edit: Trump was a no show. Too bad. Might have been iiiiiiiinteeeeeeerrrrrrrrreeeeeeesting.
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WHOOPS here we go again back to talking about GW. I swear you have a crush on the man. you never stop talking about him. I truly believe there is not a week that goes by without you bringing him up.tunnelcat wrote:Like Ol' George had perfect record of no flubs with everything that came pouring out of his mouth. I remember quite a few Bushisms that were absolute loo loos. Here's a pretty good sampling. It's a loooooooooong list. I think it definitely tops Obama's list
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm
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FACTSpidey wrote:Actually JFTR some of the Founding Fathers did want to end slavery but, it was put off “to future generations” in order to insure ratification.
FACT againAnyway…
People who defend politicians instead of the value of their own beliefs have a very heavy burden to bear. If you think one party or side has better ideas than the other…good for you…if you believe one party or side has better people than the other…TG has a bridge for you…
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Hey woodchip, I'd just like to remind you that the Status of Forces Agreement, signed by Bush and Maliki, called for the troops to be withdrawn by 2012. Obama is merely following the pact that was signed by the former President.
Of course you knew that already though...
Of course you knew that already though...
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Yes but the ignorance of Obama to state "he" was pulling the troops out is the political expediency part. Did Obama publicly state the pull out was due to anything other than it was his decision? By stating the pull out was his sole pervue and the press stating the military did not want to do so makes sure Obama's rabid liberal base was satiated.Zuruck wrote:Hey woodchip, I'd just like to remind you that the Status of Forces Agreement, signed by Bush and Maliki, called for the troops to be withdrawn by 2012. Obama is merely following the pact that was signed by the former President.
Of course you knew that already though...
Perhaps Obama did this to draw focus away from the real engineer of the SOFA...George W Bush's administration. Can't be giving credit to Bush now can we. Curious how during his 2008 bid Obama made statements to the effect he would be pulling the troops out of Iraq when the SOFA was already in place.
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Yeah they had flubs, none of which affected anything. Obama's ignorance killed the Iran spring and cost people their livelihood. Puff Obama all you want Slick, but he's a disaster to this country and will be doubly so if he becomes a lame duck president.callmeslick wrote:you are seriously attempting to equate what at best were questionble calls with:woodchip wrote:Actually his not backing the Iran uprising was a show of ignorance and was talked about in the press. As was his complete withdrawal of all troops from Iraq for simple self preserving political expediency. Then there was the freezing of oil rig permits that cost the gulf coast 50k jobs. Want me to continue?
1. Mistaking what state the American Revolution started in(Bachmann)
2. Claiming the founding fathers wanted to end slavery(Bachmann again)
3. Failing to identify the whole Libyan conflict(Cain)
4. Not knowing the legal voting age(Perry)
5. Claiming that 'no one expects me to know about foreign policy'(Cain)
6. Not being able to name three Executive departments(Perry)
.....I could go on, but to equate such things merely displays a laughable level of Obama-hate on your part woodchip. Sad, really.
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Curious how your view of the GOP candidates changes over a few months:callmeslick wrote:it is a sad commentary that you could even attempt to equate them, with the exception of maybe Paul or Huntsman.woodchip wrote:I'm amused that you think Obama is more intelligent than any of the GOP contenderscallmeslick wrote:I'm just amused reading 'Bachmann', 'Perry' and 'intelligence' in the same sentence........
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"The Gingrich bandwagon seems to have derailed rather quickly..........
damn, there goes one of the few 'ideas' people on the right, with the wits to put those ideas forth."
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Like a good liberal promoter you build up the candidates who are low in the polls. When they rise to the top they then become idiots. Too bad you don't work for Obama seeing as how transparent you are.
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The agreement was not signed until after after the election. The framework was in place but nothing was solidified until after Obama's campaign. But the facts don't really matter, as I said before regardless of what it is or what the circumstances are you will find fault with whatever Obama does.
As for what his military commanders say, who gives a ★■◆●? They didn't sign the pact with Iraq and I guarantee that if Obama violated the terms of the SOFA, your side would be all up in arms about that. So what gives...let's keep having the same circle jerk over and over again.
As for what his military commanders say, who gives a ★■◆●? They didn't sign the pact with Iraq and I guarantee that if Obama violated the terms of the SOFA, your side would be all up in arms about that. So what gives...let's keep having the same circle jerk over and over again.
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Kind of like you with Obama. You can't help but gripe about him constantly at every opportunity, but conveniently keep forgetting that the last guy was a moron.CUDA wrote: WHOOPS here we go again back to talking about GW. I swear you have a crush on the man. you never stop talking about him. I truly believe there is not a week that goes by without you bringing him up.
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This country has been going in the very same direction since the early 90's. I gain more and more respect for Mr. Clinton every day.
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I say the trick nowadays is not to find out where these candidates differ, but where they are agreeing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOAk-7F1EVU
They may differ on social issues, but all members of this group have one thing in common.
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woodchip, I'll admit, freely, that I am shocked Newt made a comeback, and I should have added him to my short list of semi bright folks out there. Still, he comes up with FAR too many idiotic ideas, such as the child labor thing for his own good.
Oh, and it's one thing to feel that Obvama made a mistake, or to differ in principle from actions he took. It is another to act like stone cold morons, which describes over half the GOP Presidential field. You all are the ones claiming Obama to not be intelligent, and that is pure Obama-Hate in action. Any dolt can see an intelligent man there, whether you agrree with him or not.
Oh, and it's one thing to feel that Obvama made a mistake, or to differ in principle from actions he took. It is another to act like stone cold morons, which describes over half the GOP Presidential field. You all are the ones claiming Obama to not be intelligent, and that is pure Obama-Hate in action. Any dolt can see an intelligent man there, whether you agrree with him or not.
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only one SLIGHT difference. Obama is the CURRENT President and deserves all the scrutiny he is getting, because he has the power to either fix or further screw-up this country, while your Idol GW is RETIRED and the only power he has is to turn on his remote and watch Obama either fix or further screw-up this country. but I guess that point slipped by you. but if it makes you feel better to believe that all the world failings are GW's fault, then i guess that's a burden you will need to live with. but please live with it in silence, because it's tiresome to the rest of us.tunnelcat wrote:Kind of like you with Obama. You can't help but gripe about him constantly at every opportunity, but conveniently keep forgetting that the last guy was a moron.CUDA wrote: WHOOPS here we go again back to talking about GW. I swear you have a crush on the man. you never stop talking about him. I truly believe there is not a week that goes by without you bringing him up.
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I wont question his intelligence. but his leadership and decision making I will question all day. as I used to say about GW you CANNOT be stupid and get elected to the POTUS. Obama is not stupid.callmeslick wrote:woodchip, I'll admit, freely, that I am shocked Newt made a comeback, and I should have added him to my short list of semi bright folks out there. Still, he comes up with FAR too many idiotic ideas, such as the child labor thing for his own good.
Oh, and it's one thing to feel that Obvama made a mistake, or to differ in principle from actions he took. It is another to act like stone cold morons, which describes over half the GOP Presidential field. You all are the ones claiming Obama to not be intelligent, and that is pure Obama-Hate in action. Any dolt can see an intelligent man there, whether you agrree with him or not.
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that's fair enough, CUDA.......
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Would it also be fair to say that no one gets elected President without friends and that those are the real architects?
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How's Newt going to do that with no friends? Most Republican power brokers and insiders hate him and would prefer he went away.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/983 ... republican
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No one can say a thing against Ron Paul and as long as he has been there, he has yet to be invited to the CFR. Probably because of his counter-views. Globalization is inevitable, but someone like Paul or Clinton would have us be strong when we get there. I get the feeling the rest are ready to cash out and head towards the Riviera
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There is a difference between stupidity and ignorance.CUDA wrote:I wont question his intelligence. but his leadership and decision making I will question all day. as I used to say about GW you CANNOT be stupid and get elected to the POTUS. Obama is not stupid.callmeslick wrote:woodchip, I'll admit, freely, that I am shocked Newt made a comeback, and I should have added him to my short list of semi bright folks out there. Still, he comes up with FAR too many idiotic ideas, such as the child labor thing for his own good.
Oh, and it's one thing to feel that Obvama made a mistake, or to differ in principle from actions he took. It is another to act like stone cold morons, which describes over half the GOP Presidential field. You all are the ones claiming Obama to not be intelligent, and that is pure Obama-Hate in action. Any dolt can see an intelligent man there, whether you agrree with him or not.
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Well, the only reason I'm flogging a dead horse is because I think GW is more responsible for this economic mess that Obama is. Sure, Obama's been a spineless waffler, ineffective leader and corporate political tool and I'm not going to choke down another vote for him, but GW's the one that trashed the house, then left the disaster for Obama to straighten out with a parting; "Thankyou very much. I had my fun". Obama also got stuck with a bunch of Republican and ConservaDem 2-year olds in Congress that have refused to work with him at all to help clean up the mess, of which a good chunk of was also their responsibility.CUDA wrote:only one SLIGHT difference. Obama is the CURRENT President and deserves all the scrutiny he is getting, because he has the power to either fix or further screw-up this country, while your Idol GW is RETIRED and the only power he has is to turn on his remote and watch Obama either fix or further screw-up this country. but I guess that point slipped by you. but if it makes you feel better to believe that all the world failings are GW's fault, then i guess that's a burden you will need to live with. but please live with it in silence, because it's tiresome to the rest of us.
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The last time I checked Obama didn’t get “stuck” with anything…he wanted the job. If he wasn’t up to it, he should have left it to someone else.