CUDA wrote:tunnelcat wrote:One person's idea of charity can be another person's idea of socialism,
Spidey wrote:That’s pure BS!
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TC you couldn't be more wrong
Charity is done on an individual level freely, socialism is forced by the government. if you're forcing someone to do something it's NOT charity
OK, how much of the commons would you like to see run by charity? How much do you think people would willingly give enough money to build our infrastructure, fire departments, police departments, schools and support our military? How many poor people who fall through the cracks through no fault of their own and need help to get a leg up would be helped just by charity? How many seniors who didn't save enough to retire or have lost all their money through medical issues would others help just through charity? Not very damn many I'm guessing, or at least not enough to make a difference. Charity burnout would soon grip people or institutions. Most people will not give money if they don't think there is a need. Everyone's opinion of
need is different. There are just some things that people have to be forced to pay for, whether they like it or not, because we all live in a society that's part of a nation, not a large group of individuals out for themselves. Some sacrifices are for the good of the nation, not the individual.
You keep thinking I'm for pure Socialism. You couldn't be further from the truth. I don't see either Socialism or Capitalism as solutions for
long term social stability. Neither system taken to their extremes are beneficial to everyone. Both systems end up benefiting only the few powerful and failing miserably for the masses. Like it or not, we have to deal with the masses. I see a hybrid of both systems as a better way for creating a more stable and
fair society, which is what Democracy is all about. We all have to make sacrifices to make things work for everyone. Sure, there's always the lazy hanger's on, but even rich people can fall into that category. The system has to work around that. You keep thinking that Capitalism is the best solution to our problems. I say all it fosters is unlimited greed and gives power only to those who can take the most money, while the rest scrabble for loose change.
CUDA wrote:TC wrote: especially conservatives who don't like to help others because they think they're lazy slobs who should just go out and get a slave wage job, tough it up and quit griping about being part of the poor class.
foolish comments and you know it.
Really? There were a few comments here on my occupy wall street post that indicated otherwise. Like if those lazy hippies just got a job......
Breitbart is just a chip off the old-create-false-resentment block of conservatives. Sure there are those people out there to game the system that have joined the occupy movement, but if you really look, most of them are the unemployed that are truly hurting. Breitbart needs to just talk to those people like human beings, not as a mass of idiots to scream at.
I have ridiculed a few tea partiers in the past, but I have actually talked to some of them in my neighborhood and do agree with a few of their arguments. Yes, our government is too big. Yes, the debt is too big. But no, I don't think outright destroying government is the right solution and no, I don't think unregulated corporate freedom is the cure all to our economic woes, nor do I think getting rid of our social safety nets would be a very smart idea. By the way, most of the tea partiers in my neighborhood are older and on social security and medicare. That's where they kind of go into a do loop of denial with their tea party solutions to fix this mess.
