Toxic Waste Dump

flip · Post by **flip** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:54 pm

Well, I was reading about the huge centipedes in Penang, that get caught and handed over to the "authority" to be studied, and it made me wonder why. So, I looked up Penang on Google Maps and subsequently found this. Looks like Malaysia is the toxic waste dump of the world =/

EDIT: TC's post about killer spiders helped

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:02 pm

those are clouds lit by the sun at sunset.

flip · Post by **flip** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:11 pm

No, I was speaking about the sediment circled. To be sure, just refresh a few times over the few days. The clouds will change but that area remains the same.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:12 pm

look, i'm not gonna explain basic cloudcover, light and landmass to you. do some research.

oh and.. don't expect me to respond to whatever you're gonna post next. til you do, talking to you would be a waste of my time. you just don't listen.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:34 pm

What on the map indicates there are toxics in the circled area?

flip · Post by **flip** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:37 pm

I don't know why you respond in the first place, did your boyfriend slap you around a bit too much tonight? Look, the fact of the matter is, I am right. Seems Malaysia has a HUGE nuclear toxic waste problem and NO plant to recycle it.

http://eprints.utm.my/3924/

Why don't you grow up dude, who the hell acts like that in real life?

EDIT: Ever heard of pollution genius? Or spectrometry, no, just being a dickhead is all your good at.

flip · Post by **flip** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:43 pm

The yellow mass. I don't see those colors anywhere else around the globe. Like I said, a good test would be and wait for the next satellite image. If it's still there

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/conten ... 436219.htm

[youtube]OZXGbaYRYIw[/youtube]

Who wants to go swimming?

flip · Post by **flip** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:07 pm

Anybody wanna talk about giant centipedes? I guess that's the most aggravating thing from some of the kids on this board. You post something and they leap out of the shadows hollering ★■◆● they don't really even know =/ Pardon my french.

Or Managed Capitalism under One Party Authoritarianism. I'm open to either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... K-qZY&NR=1

roid · Post by **roid** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:01 pm

Do you mean Penang has an indigenous species of large centipede?
Or do you mean that ordinarily small centipedes are made to grow to a large size via happinstance being exposed to toxic* chemicals, like the kindof misunderstanding of science a child may get from watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

(*toxic my ass, sounds like they'd be better categorised as performance-enhancing no? there'd be a big market for such a wonderful chemical)

flip wrote:...reading about the huge centipedes in Penang...

i can't find anything about it in the news.

Also you'll likely be waiting months for Google's flyover image to update, it's not an every few days kinda thing.
Have you checked other flyover geography image services?

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:39 am

Well, I guess teenage mutant ninja's it is

[youtube]ooFSFR2s7Ig[/youtube]

roid · Post by **roid** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:37 am

it's a large centipede in a strange land, why assume it's anything out of the ordinary?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centipede

Size can range from a few millimetres in the smaller lithobiomorphs and geophilomorphs to about 30 cm (12 in) in the largest scolopendromorphs.

That took all of 10 seconds.
Video uploader seems to think this one may exceed 60 cm. Assuming that's at all reputable, or accurate: Could be a new species, or a freak, no wonder biologists wanted to look at it.

handed over to the "authority" to be studied

Oh boy, the inverted commas, really? Come on mate, come on, seriously. This is a giant insect, it's scientifically interesting. There's no cover-up, there's no pro-nuclear lobby group illuminati that comes to take away Master Splinter so no-one can know that animals get super-sized by radiation magic. Animals aren't made super-sized by toxic spills that's cartoon stuff, it's not how biology actually works.

flip wrote:EDIT: TC's post about killer spiders helped

yes, killer bees, killer jumping spiders, bat-boys and chupacabras, oh my!
One can always be assured that at any given time there will be ample monster panics happening in various places in the worldwide media (and of various authenticity) to validate one's preconceptions and tell one exactly what one wants to hear.
Yes.
Exactly.
I knew it.
etc.

Now. This is an interesting story, but as far as i can see there is no reason to believe any theory you have yet suggested. Try the more likely ones first eh? Don't be a sucker man. Come oooooon, lift the game, this story could be interesting yet!

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:18 am

I promised myself I wouldn't do this

but the spiders are supposedly a whole new species that have never been seen before and are outright aggressive. In the case of the centipede, the "authorities" are obviously telling plantation owners to capture them so they can be studied, apparently because they seem to be getting larger. Who knows or cares? My post was going towards what kind of environment are these people and insects living in, and the whole damn place looks like a dump. China should clean all the ★■◆● up out of their yard before they start trying to lead anything. Plus, they outright expose their own population to theses toxins with no regard at all to the consequences. You wanna talk flying spaghetti monsters. I was just telling you the thought process that got me thinking about pollution in ASIA, which is so friggin bad it's pititful the conditions those people are living under. Didn't watch any of the videos did ya? They were all about pollution

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:10 am

I'm just waiting for centipedes the size of the giant worms of Dune.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:35 am

Here's an ordinary-sized one I found in my garage a couple years back:

: centipede.jpeg (62.98 KiB) Viewed 3434 times

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:23 am

Bah. These large bugs are simply time travellers.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:29 pm

hehe, Nice find Dissent. I'm glad the scale and lifespan of these creatures got smaller over time

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:24 pm

Ick! The yellow stuff looks like some kind of toxic metal deposits, but the pinkish outflow from the river is positively freaky, and I'm sure something really nasty to take a dip in. Looks almost like a sheen of some kind of oily substance.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:54 pm

Well, the pink could definitely be refraction, but I would bet that yellow, sulpherous looking mass is coming right out of a smokestack. Also bet you would never find an uncloudy day where that thing is located. Yuck! I'd die from refusing to breathe.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:01 pm

Ya sure that's yellow smoke? It looks more like something being discharged into the water and settling on the bottom offshore. It isn't traveling downwind very far for something in the air. Of course, either way, it's nasty!

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:05 pm

No, not sure. It's definitely a cess pool over there of industrial waste, so I wouldn't doubt the pollution would cause a different wavelength to be visible from the air. In fact, I would think Google's main desire for would be to capture uncloudy days to piece it's maps together. Bet that place is terminally acrid, but after watching several videos on China's pollution problems, it's the whole damn region.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:16 pm

These people are gonna have to move one day, huh?

"Rumors about what caused the multicolored haze flew around the Internet, which -- no surprise here -- led to Chinese police arresting those who dared to suggest online that it was pollution caused by a chemical leak or refinery explosion. The government says the phenomenon was simply an unfortunately shaped cloud that resulted from farmers burning straw in the fields. Wouldn't we see this all the time, then? Just sayin.'"

Source:http://now.msn.com/now/0618-china-mushroom-cloud.aspx

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:22 pm

I'd walk through snow to get satellite pictures of that

Jet fighter comes out from under around 1:45

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:09 pm

I love how the Internet can see a thunderstorm and immediately jump to "ZOMG NUCLEAR APOCALYPSE!!!"

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:13 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVIzyUBJ ... re=related

1:35 center bottom, you can see the flames burning on the ground directly under where the cloud formed. I think Waldo's in Malaysia

EDIT: Another one not in Beijing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCOZ9_YS ... re=related

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:20 pm

Duck and cover! I like the fact an airliner actually flew out of the cloud from nowhere.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:24 pm

That's no jetliner, that is low and slow flight.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:00 pm

Sure looks like a jetliner. If you look at the 2 minute point in the video, you can faintly see what appears to be at least 2, may even 4, engines under the very large wings. It's probably going slow because it's on some approach path. If it is a jetliner, some people had a very interesting view.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:01 pm

True enough, I wonder if that toxic cloud we see in Malaysia is the remnants?

Edit:Before the mushroom cloud was spotted in the skies above Wuhan, officials struggled to explain a bizarre green and yellow haze that had slowly engulfed the city. The appearance of this unusual fog prompted the environmental department to issue a statement advising children, the elderly, and people with respiratory problems to stay indoors until further notice. Not surprisingly, face mask usage immediately went through the roof.

Perhaps the most alarming aspect of the entire story is that no one really knows where the cloud originated or why it continues to plague the area. Although officials are sticking to their straw-burning theories, some residents are deciding to leave the city altogether until the haze has lifted and a proper explanation has been offered.

According to the Huffington Post, pollution in China continues to be a major problem. In fact, authorities have asked the U.S. Embassy in Beijing to stop publishing reports on the subject, claiming that such readings were against diplomatic conventions.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:04 pm

Smoke is the wrong color, white/gray, not yellow. The yellow you see in Beijing is from the superheated gas in the middle of the cloud, which would have dissipated by the time it floated to Malaysia.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:18 pm

Those people are leaving China one day, I don't know when, but they will leave in droves.

EDIT: The cloud in Malaysia has a distinct yellow core, same color as that explosion in Beijing. Aside form that, Supercell's don't usually just dissipate like that. I wouldn't think nothing if it weren't for that sulpherous looking core in Malaysia. Look out Roid!! Toxic cloud coming your way

roid · Post by **roid** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:43 pm

MS's Bing maps version is clearly the same photodata, yet it doesn't have the weird colours that must have effected google's one.
We've all seen weird purple artifacts on flyover imagery before, it's generally caused by reflections (like from car windows).

Compare:
- https://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&l ... 7&t=h&z=11
- http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=2.1220 ... orm=LMLTCC

Flip you should have noticed this from the start.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:00 pm

You may be right. China is still a cesspool. I hope you all have enough room for em

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:35 pm

flip wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVIzyUBJ ... re=related

1:35 center bottom, you can see the flames burning on the ground directly under where the cloud formed. I think Waldo's in Malaysia

That's either sun reflecting off a building or just a light-up sign. It doesn't look remotely like flames.

EDIT: Another one not in Beijing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCOZ9_YS ... re=related

That's a classic cumulonimbus shape, and the people taking the video are foolish for not recognizing it. Seriously, this is just nonsense.

roid · Post by **roid** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:01 pm

flip wrote:You may be right. China is still a cesspool. I hope you all have enough room for em :P

Some of the things you say makes me wonder if you think SE Asia is all one nation. Just wanna make sure we're on the same page here, the nation of China is ~2000km north of the nation of Malaysia.

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:35 pm

I would bet my bottom dollar there all cesspools scattered throughout SE Asia, at least as far as Kabul Afghanistan.

EDIT:http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/ ... tudy-says/

You do know where India is?

flip · Post by **flip** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:57 pm

Cities in Iran, India, Pakistan and the capital of Mongolia rank among the worst on the planet for air pollution, while those in the United States and Canada are among the best, according to the first global survey released Monday by the World Health Organization.

The southwest Iranian city of Ahvaz earned the unfortunate distinction of having the highest measured level of airborne particles smaller than 10 micrometers.

WHO released the list to highlight the need to reduce outdoor air pollution, which is estimated to cause 1.34 million premature deaths each year. The global body said investments to lower pollution levels quickly pay off because of lower disease rates and, therefore, lower health care costs.

The list, which relies on country-reported data over the past several years, measures the levels of airborne particles smaller than 10 micrometers - so-called PM10s - for almost 1,100 cities.

WHO recommends an upper limit of 20 micrograms for PM10s, which can cause serious respiratory problems in humans. They are mostly sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide from power plants, auto exhausts and industry.

Ahvaz's annual average of PM10s was 372 micrograms per cubic meter. Heavy industry and low-quality vehicle fuel are the main causes of air pollution in the desert city of 1.3 million.

The study found that the Mongolian capital, Ulan Bator, had an annual average PM10s density of 279 micrograms per cubic meter, followed by another west Iranian city, Sanandaj, with 254 micrograms.

Cities in Pakistan and India, such as Quetta and Kanpur, as well as Botswana's capital, Gaborone, also ranked high on the pollution scale.

WHO said the reasons for high pollution levels varied, but often rapid industrialization and the use of poor quality fuels for transportation and electricity generation are to blame.

At the other end of the list are cities in Canada and the United States, which benefit from lower population density, favorable climates and stricter air pollution regulation.

Yukon territory's capital, Whitehorse, had a yearly average of just 3 micrograms of PM10s per cubic meter, while Santa Fe, N.M., measured 6 micrograms.

Washington, D.C., had a level of 18 micrograms, Tokyo measured 23 micrograms, and Paris had 38 micrograms of PM10s per cubic meter

It stretches from Central Asia at least as far as Iran and then further south of Malaysia. Noting but huge air pollution problems in EVRY major city on that continent. Move over

EDIT:We could let them have Mexico

flip · Post by **flip** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:05 am

Nasty Bastids

Australia has the highest per capita level of greenhouse gas emissions in the developed world, largely because of its heavy reliance on coal to generate electricity, a report has found.

Just days after the Prime Minister, John Howard, outlined an energy package which confirmed coal as the major source of future energy production, the Australia Institute revealed total emissions are now greater than those created by more highly populated countries such as France and Italy.

Each person now creates 27.2 tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent each year, or enough to fill 27 family homes. The figure is 27 per cent higher than the amount produced by American citizens and more than double the average figure for people living in industrialised countries.

Electricity generation, transportation and the production of non ferrous metals such as aluminium were the largest contributors to the high emissions levels.

The report, done for the institute by the OECD's International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis, showed average per capita emissions in industrialised countries as a whole declined by more than 12 per cent between 1990 and 2001. This was also the case in Australia, where per capita emissions declined by just over 7.5 per cent.

However, the reduction is because declining rates of land clearing have offset increasing levels of emissions created by energy production and transport.

Mr Howard said this week that Australia was dealing with climate change "the smart way".

"It recognises that Australia cannot afford to put at risk ... industries that directly employ 120,000 Australians and which earn more than $24 billion a year in export income," he said. "The energy advantage provided by our resources is something Australia must not throw away."

The Government was heavily criticised by the Opposition, minor parties, the renewable energy industry and environment groups for not taking strong action to reduce emissions.

The report "should shock every Australian", Greenpeace campaigner Catherine Fitzpatrick said. "The Federal Government's current energy policy is taking us down a dangerous path.

"Australians care about climate change and this report is another nail in the coffin of the Prime Minister's dead-end energy policy."

The president of the Australian Medical Association, Dr Bill Glasson, said making diesel fuel cheaper would increase air pollution in cities. "In Europe, the number of deaths caused by vehicle emissions was estimated to be more than twice the number of deaths from road accidents," he said.

"In Australia deaths caused by vehicle emissions at least equals the number of deaths caused by road accidents. The Howard Government has made dirty fuels cheaper, our air more polluted and potentially caused the death of many more Australians."

A report from the Bureau of Transport and Regional Services last year estimated the health cost of pollution in cities at $3.5 billion per year.

flip · Post by **flip** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:19 am

@TG: 2 things about that cloud (and it could be normal for all I know), in the streets of China, it created a panic. So it was definitely unusual. Most cumulous clouds don't dissipate in less than a few minutes. They keep building, plus I see no wind shear, which is needed to build a cloud that high and so quickly. The fact that the colors were described as green and yellow, and the fact that citizens had been complaining about a green and yellow haze lingering, BEFORE the cloud formed. It dissipates just as quickly as it forms. All odd and no wonder it caused a "panic." The red glow at the bottom definitely flickers as if it could be flames. Who knows? Neither you nor I

One thing I do know. In every major city over there, they are wearing face masks from all the particulates in the air, and the bad thing about that region, is the air keeps it there. I actually say with confidence, if those conditions continue to grow, there will be a mass exodus from that region. The whole region is polluted. The water, the ground and the air.

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:17 am

Could be time to buy stock in air pollution controls companies that are doing business in China.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:51 am

Here's another Chinese yellowish toxic waste cloud flip.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spi ... 92,00.html

And guess what's contributing to the mess, our e-waste, that we send out like good little boys and girls to get recycled.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-4579229.html