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woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:14 pm

So NBC has decided to do a 1 hour documentry on the Mormon Church. Afterall:

"What we set out to do very broadly is not an hour on Mitt Romney but an hour about the religion that has played a very important role in shaping who he is," Hartman said Wednesday."

So where was NBC during the last election? Everyone here raise their hand that they remember a 1 hour special on Obama's church and the pastor who was a spiritual mentor to Obama?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:16 pm

woodchip wrote:So NBC has decided to do a 1 hour documentry on the Mormon Church. Afterall:

"What we set out to do very broadly is not an hour on Mitt Romney but an hour about the religion that has played a very important role in shaping who he is," Hartman said Wednesday."

So where was NBC during the last election? Everyone here raise their hand that they remember a 1 hour special on Obama's church and the pastor who was a spiritual mentor to Obama?

who needed a one-hour special, when there was a one-month onslaught on every network? That said, I don't give a flying fig about Mormonism, so long as Romney keeps it from overriding public policy, should he get elected.

CobGobbler · Post by **CobGobbler** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:41 pm

Why would they do an hour long special on Christianity?

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:57 pm

I'd say you're confused, but I'm pretty sure you're doing it on purpose, Cob. Mormonism began in the U.S., loosely based Christianity, with some aspects of Masonry (slick?) and any number of other occult influences. Christianity began in Isreal. Mormons get their own planet to rule as God, as a result of their faithfulness to Mormonism (no doubt why their smiles are always so big on those billboards), and Christians spend eternity in a restored relationship with God in heaven (not exactly sure where the new heavens and new earth come in, but they're in there somewhere).

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:52 pm

ABC's been running a special segment on Mormonism for the last few nights as well. But where I got an eye opener for this "religion" was when a relative of mine got a hold of one of their special temple books, never meant to leave the premises or for infidels eyes, that describes how to cleanse a person for certain temple rights and practices. I'm talking about how to actually wash the body. Kind of a weird sexually creepy power trip. None of this was "discussed" on any of the "prepared" infonews stories.

CobGobbler · Post by **CobGobbler** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:56 pm

No Thorne, I was responding to woodchip's question as to why they didn't run a special on Obama's religion.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:08 pm

Maybe the news networks should have run specials on Obama's religion. The way it is now, nearly a third of the country thinks Obama is a Muslim.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:18 pm

I remember a number of articles, blogs, and TV bits from '08 regarding Obama's church, and specifically whether or not he agreed with some of the controversial things his pastor said.

Not surprising there would be TV shows this year about Romney's faith and whether or not he subscribes to the more bizarre/controversial aspects.

Ugh.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:24 pm

Well, 16 percent of Americans ain't watchin' or readin' the news very much because they think he's a Muslim. 41 percent don't know what his beliefs are AT ALL! Then you got 25 percent of Republicans AND Evangelicals who think he's a Muslim too. Either they're not very informed, or worse, racist, even with the Rev. Wright controversy splashed all over the news.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... y-s-mormon

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:00 pm

CobGobbler wrote:No Thorne, I was responding to woodchip's question as to why they didn't run a special on Obama's religion.

Whoops. But Black Liberation Theology is a far cry from Christianity, itself, if you look through the New Testament.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:39 am

tunnelcat wrote:Well, 16 percent of Americans ain't watchin' or readin' the news very much because they think he's a Muslim. 41 percent don't know what his beliefs are AT ALL! Then you got 25 percent of Republicans AND Evangelicals who think he's a Muslim too. Either they're not very informed, or worse, racist, even with the Rev. Wright controversy splashed all over the news.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... y-s-mormon

So because peeps are not sure of Obama's religion, this makes them a racist? What gold plated shovel do you use to dig this crap up?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:54 am

woodchip wrote:So because peeps are not sure of Obama's religion, this makes them a racist? What gold plated shovel do you use to dig this crap up?

NAH Woody. its because a majority of Republicans and evangelicals are white and Obama isn't white. that automatically makes them racist. it's in the "Racism for Dummies" handbook. page 45, All Whites are automatically racist if they comment about anyone but another White person.

Teddy · Post by **Teddy** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:55 am

Romney will never get my vote, anyone who has not the discernment to believe in gold plates which no one has seen, written in a language that has never existed... telling a history about wars that have been proven false(yes they have done digs in the areas where the book tells of great battles and nothing was there) has no business running whats left of the most powerful country on earth...

As far as Barry, so many believe he is a muslem because he celebrates all the holidays, but no christian holidays(till recently when this was pointed out) refused to put his hand on his heart durning the plege of allegence(which refrenced the christian God), changed his name in his youth to Obama.... a Muslem tradition, has pics in muslem dress and today his administration is a HUGE funder of the Muslem Brotherhood which is exterminating all christians in several countries, including crucifying them....
People believe Obama is a muslem because his actions speak louder than the lies he tells.....

flip · Post by **flip** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:20 pm

"All roads lead to Rome."

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:28 pm

muslem

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:39 am

Teddy wrote:Romney will never get my vote, anyone who has not the discernment to believe in gold plates which no one has seen, written in a language that has never existed... telling a history about wars that have been proven false(yes they have done digs in the areas where the book tells of great battles and nothing was there) has no business running whats left of the most powerful country on earth....

And a person whose spiritual mentor is a confirmed racist, whose pulpit rantings were the damnation of America? A person who had exactly zero experience in anything is somehow preferable? People like you Teddy are the reason America has fallen to the state it has.

Teddy · Post by **Teddy** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:49 pm

woa, woodchip.... down boy...

What makes people like me the reason america has fallen to the level it has? Is it becasue I'm educated enough to know that the two choices we have been given are the pot and the kettle... and no mater which we choose, they are both black?(or in other words if you look a Romney's voting record, he has voted or stands on all the same major issues as Obama.... and no mater who we choose, America WILL continue to it's destruction.) Both are Liars from the word go. The only change Obama has brough us is socialism, and he continued the trend of letting the jobs leave our country while at the same time continuing the stripping away our liberties and walking down the path of transforming our country into a mirror image of the form of goverment that ruled in the middle ages. Dont believe me? ask Brendon Raub who was pulled from his home, not read his miranda rights and thrown in jail over what he posted on facebook. As for Romeny, if he gets in, he will continue us down this same road.....

Come election day, i'm writing in Ron Paul, whether he is on the ticket or not... Anyone who has paied even alittle attention to the debates/ news coverage should know we DEFINTILY dont live in a free country any more.... if you dont understand what I'm talking about here, youtube it, there are plenty of videos out showing how blatently the news/republican party boycotted several other real canidates, including ron paul. In the end, i refuse to give my vote to either of the canidates i have been presented with.

As far as the all roads lead to Rome comment, This is much harder to see as these sneeky b@sta&$# are very careful about how they operate so i rarely bring that up anymore as most wont look to see whats going on unless they have a solid foundation in bible prophecy. But i will say.... who visited Romeny before he chose his VP?

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/07/31/six- ... -outreach/

flip · Post by **flip** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:56 pm

Yeah, sounds like their goal is to split this country right down the middle over abortion, again......an again. They are appealing to a different demographic is all this time, but dangerous ground.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:52 pm

Teddy wrote:woa, woodchip.... down boy...

What makes people like me the reason america has fallen to the level it has? Is it becasue I'm educated enough....

oh, maybe that's it.....

Anyone who has paied even alittle attention to the debates/ news coverage should know we DEFINTILY dont live in a free country any more....

nope. Geez-o-Pete, Teddy, do you proofread this stuff? First you rant about Obama being a Muslim and display your insight by misspelling the word Muslim a few times. How is one to believe you have the first clue about Muslims or any religion after that?
Now this bit. Woody was right, you are symbolic of why this nation is in the state it is.........probably he and I disagree as to why, but still........y'all remember what I wrote on that other thread about the requirements of the electorate in the US system?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:47 pm

woodchip wrote:
tunnelcat wrote:Well, 16 percent of Americans ain't watchin' or readin' the news very much because they think he's a Muslim. 41 percent don't know what his beliefs are AT ALL! Then you got 25 percent of Republicans AND Evangelicals who think he's a Muslim too. Either they're not very informed, or worse, racist, even with the Rev. Wright controversy splashed all over the news.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... y-s-mormon
So because peeps are not sure of Obama's religion, this makes them a racist? What gold plated shovel do you use to dig this crap up?

Well then, they're either xenophobes, or uninformed morons. Neither one is very charitable. And they're double morons if they've heard of the Wright controversy and STILL think Obama is a Muslim, because Rev. Wright is a Christian, and people are calling Rev. Wright Obama's pastor and they're too stupid to connect the dots in front of their faces.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:14 am

tunnelcat wrote:
woodchip wrote:
tunnelcat wrote:Well, 16 percent of Americans ain't watchin' or readin' the news very much because they think he's a Muslim. 41 percent don't know what his beliefs are AT ALL! Then you got 25 percent of Republicans AND Evangelicals who think he's a Muslim too. Either they're not very informed, or worse, racist, even with the Rev. Wright controversy splashed all over the news.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... y-s-mormon
So because peeps are not sure of Obama's religion, this makes them a racist? What gold plated shovel do you use to dig this crap up?
Well then, they're either xenophobes, or uninformed morons. Neither one is very charitable. And they're double morons if they've heard of the Wright controversy and STILL think Obama is a Muslim, because Rev. Wright is a Christian, and people are calling Rev. Wright Obama's pastor and they're too stupid to connect the dots in front of their faces.

you didn't answer his question.

So because peeps are not sure of Obama's religion, this makes them a racist?

you claimed that if someone thinks Obama is a Muslim he could be a racist. please explain your logic.

because Rev. Wright is a Christian,

based on Rev Wrights behavior and teachings, I could point to many scriptures that would put that statement and his claims into doubt.

Just because one "claims" to be a Christian does not make it so.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:39 pm

I can't "prove racism" CUDA. I infer it. But why even think Obama is a Muslim, or not an American in the first place? What possible reason for all this Muslim and birther craziness? The only reason is xenophobia, and racism is a subset of xenophobia. By the way, you don't think Rev. Wright is Christian? I could also "suggest" that Romney is not a Christian either, but part of a weird, modern cult.

Even Romney has to resort to the birther crap to make a stupid joke.

Obama could sink to Romney's level with a joke and ask Romney where he hides all his other wives, but he hasn't, has he,........yet.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:06 pm

tunnelcat wrote:you don't think Rev. Wright is Christian?

lets just say I question it. and I could produce the scriptures to back up my doubts

tunnelcat wrote: I could also "suggest" that Romney is not a Christian either, but part of a weird, modern cult.

and I would agree with you

flip · Post by **flip** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:01 pm

I just can't vote for Romney. I'd vote for a socialist before I would a cultist.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:21 pm

flip wrote:I just can't vote for Romney. I'd vote for a socialist before I would a cultist.

well a socialist would be your other choice

CobGobbler · Post by **CobGobbler** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:23 pm

If you think about it, Joseph Smith being directed to those golden plates is just as feasible as a dude getting swallowed by a whale and living for a few days with a hydrochloric blanket. But yeah, Mormonism is a pretty strange thing.

flip · Post by **flip** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:28 pm

Yeah, I'm not so sure he didn't become part of the whale, but if the Book of Jonah was completely missing from the rest, it would not change one thing. I'm more concerned in how they think of themselves(mormons), which is as God's. If you think when you die you will get your own planet to populate and be in complete control of, then your liable to make some unilateral decisions while still here on Earth. Then you have to wonder about the people who supported him and got him to where he is and the people he will in turn surround himself with when elected. If his business practices are any indication of how he will act as President, it will be hard and swift.

flip · Post by **flip** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:49 pm

The more I read about Mormonism the more I think it's a religion based on the future. It goes into great detail trying to predict how the afterlife and we as beings will be.

The Mormon Church, through its political organization, the Kingdom of God, says John J. Stewart in Joseph Smith the Mormon Prophet, plans on gaining a political stronghold in the U.S. government. The goal is to “bring the United States Government under the rule of the priesthood.” (6)

This is reiterated by John Heinerman and Anson Shupe:

For them the prophecy [of Daniel 2:31-45] says that the Mormon people and the resources of their corporate empire will be the prime movers in a millennial overthrow of the United States government.” (7)

Eventually, their ultimate aim is to create an ecclesiastical, one-world government.” (8)

This means, as Brigham Young stated in the Journal of Discourses, “no more or less than the complete overthrow of the nation, and not only of this nation, but the nations of Europe". (9)

Believing this goal to materialize sooner, Brigham Young declared, according to historian Bancroft, that “he would himself become President of the United States, or dictate who should be President.” (10)

Further, Joseph Smith, as well as all succeeding Presidents of the Church, determined that this new government would be a theocracy, not a democracy.

A theocracy is a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, with that God’s or deity’s laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical [church] authorities. . . .a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission.

The primary motivation was to prepare the world for Christ’s Second Coming and the millennial reign, and since Mormons believe that it is the only true church that God recognizes, it is imperative when that time comes that Mormon leaders be in charge. But, if their agenda can be achieved before the Millennium by establishing more Mormons in politics and increasing their membership worldwide, so much the better

source

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:38 pm

I seem to remember JFK's religion was frowned upon.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:38 pm

woodchip wrote:I seem to remember JFK's religion was frowned upon.

Yes it was

flip · Post by **flip** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:58 pm

Lazy copy/paste: P

Still, the guy believes in multiple God's. That's kinda what set Abraham apart, only believing in one.

CobGobbler · Post by **CobGobbler** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:52 pm

If the GOP nominee was Muslim, woodchip would be defending that religion just the same. That's fine if you like the guy, but his religion is rather nuts. I think we can all agree on that. I mean, their own planets?? C'mon that's right up there with Scientology.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:27 pm

CUDA wrote:
tunnelcat wrote: I could also "suggest" that Romney is not a Christian either, but part of a weird, modern cult.
and I would agree with you

Holy crap, CUDA agrees with me.

So that begs the question, why vote for a cultist?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:32 am

tunnelcat wrote:
CUDA wrote:
tunnelcat wrote: I could also "suggest" that Romney is not a Christian either, but part of a weird, modern cult.
and I would agree with you
Holy crap, CUDA agrees with me.

So that begs the question, why vote for a cultist?

Mike Huckabee wrote:Of the four people on the two tickets, the only self-professed evangelical is Barack Obama, And he supports changing the definition of marriage, believes that human life is disposable and expendable at any time in the womb -- even beyond the womb -- and he tells people of faith that they must bow their knees to the god of government and violate their faith and conscience in order to comply with what he calls health care.

The press will tell voters that Romney "isn't perfect,"

But for the past four years, we've tried the one the press thought was perfect, and that hasn't worked out so well for us

CobGobbler · Post by **CobGobbler** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:14 am

I don't remember the President ever saying he was an evangelical. Besides, there are plenty of devout Christians that believe in women's rights to their own body. And you're quoting Mike Huckabee? Seriously? That guy should go back to playing bad covers of mildly interesting song on his late night Sunday show and just keep quiet.

You guys believe in life without any exceptions, but your nominee doesn't. This stuff just isn't a big deal. This abortion debate is the biggest distraction that the people in Washington can drum up.

flip · Post by **flip** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:17 am

This abortion debate is the biggest distraction that the people in Washington can drum up.

Yup. Same ole bag of tricks.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:03 am

CobGobbler wrote:I don't remember the President ever saying he was an evangelical.

obviously you do know understand the meaning of the term Evangelical Christian.

The National Association of Evangelicals defines an evangelical as someone:

who believes that the Bible is authoritative
who has had a born-again experience
who shares this message of faith.

Eventually, Barack Obama abandoned this non-conformism and skepticism to be baptized as an adult in the Trinity United Church of Christ.

he's an Evangelical Pay attention

Besides, there are plenty of devout Christians that believe in women's rights to their own body.

doesn't make them anymore right or wrong then it makes you on the issue now does it. a Majority of Christians will disagree with you and them

And you're quoting Mike Huckabee? Seriously? That guy should go back to playing bad covers of mildly interesting song on his late night Sunday show and just keep quiet.

maybe you should take some of your own advice and "move along and just keep quiet"

You guys believe in life without any exceptions,

yes I do. but I do not believe in abortion without any exceptions. apparently you don't pay attention to what I post

but your nominee doesn't.

apparently you don't pay attention to what he says either

This stuff just isn't a big deal. This abortion debate is the biggest distraction that the people in Washington can drum up.

I agree, but explain to me then why the DNC's keynote speaker next week is Sandra Fluke and she will be talking about women's right's INCLUDING birth control issues a women's right to choose. I guess it IS a big deal to this administration

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:09 am

CUDA wrote:I agree, but explain to me then why the DNC's keynote speaker next week is Sandra Fluke and she will be talking about women's right's INCLUDING birth control issues a women's right to choose. I guess it IS a big deal to this administration

um, yes, Women's rights ARE a big concern of this administration. Hence, aspects of the healthcare law, equal pay legislation, etc, most all of which get fought tooth and nail by the GOP. As you note, Fluke(rejected for a presentation before an ALL-MALE Congressional panel, and later called a whore by Rush whathisname), will speak about women's rights,NOT limited to but including abortion. You know, there is a reason Obama pulls a plurality of women voters, and obviously political savvy dictates that he maintain or build upon that edge. There is a contest going on, and the strategies include convention speakers. No different with either party, just different emphases.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:21 am

callmeslick wrote:
CUDA wrote:I agree, but explain to me then why the DNC's keynote speaker next week is Sandra Fluke and she will be talking about women's right's INCLUDING birth control issues a women's right to choose. I guess it IS a big deal to this administration
um, yes, Women's rights ARE a big concern of this administration. Hence, aspects of the healthcare law, equal pay legislation, etc, most all of which get fought tooth and nail by the GOP. As you note, Fluke(rejected for a presentation before an ALL-MALE Congressional panel, and later called a whore by Rush whathisname), will speak about women's rights,NOT limited to but including abortion. You know, there is a reason Obama pulls a plurality of women voters, and obviously political savvy dictates that he maintain or build upon that edge. There is a contest going on, and the strategies include convention speakers. No different with either party, just different emphases.

your wrong according to Cob

CobGobbler wrote:This stuff just isn't a big deal. This abortion debate is the biggest distraction that the people in Washington can drum up.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:54 pm

I agree with Cob somewhat, as I think the abortion debate is one of the core drivers of the ridiculous 'culture war' that has been promulgated in order to distract the rubes from who is REALLY fleecing them. On the other hand, I am pointing out that abortion rights are but a very, very small part of women's concerns and it is those collective concerns that Fluke will be addressing. If you recall, her issues were around all healthcare access for poor women.