administrations lack of class

[CUDA]

For not sending a representative to PM Thatchers funeral

[Spidey]

You are correct, but the disrespect shown by some people in her country was turning my stomach.

[CUDA]

You are correct, but the disrespect shown by some people in her country was turning my stomach.

agreed, but we shouldn't do the same

[woodchip]

Well what did you expect from leftists?

[CUDA]

I expected them to do the right thing. obviously I was mistaken.

[Foil]

You are correct, but the disrespect shown by some people in her country was turning my stomach.

agreed, but we shouldn't do the same

Just curious, is this:

Because Thatcher was a good Prime Minister?
...or...
Because we should never speak ill of the dead?
...or...
Because citizens should never disrespect their leader?

[CUDA]

it's because of her Position as PM of one of our closet friends. it's called respect,

you salute the rank not the man

[woodchip]

The leftist hate her because she brought a ailing socialist driven country from the edge of collapse. I guess Obama see's her as a counter point to how he is trying to shape our country. And as a aside didn't Obama disrespect the leader of Israel by showing him the back door out of the White House way back early in Obama's first term?

[Tunnelcat]

Maybe the Brits are pissed off because a LOT of them already hate her, AND her little "send off" cost around 10 million pounds, or 15.3 million dollars. Add to that the 5 million pound security bill too, all coming out of the public larder. All this, at the same time that Brits are also being asked to suck up enforced austerity and make significant cuts to welfare and other public social programs. Maybe the Obama administration didn't want any part of that nastiness.

However, if Reagan were still alive, we could've sent him. Thatcher and him were buddies.

[CUDA]

Maybe the Brits are pissed off because a LOT of them already hate her, AND her little "send off" cost around 10 million pounds, or 15.3 million dollars. Add to that the 5 million pound security bill too, all coming out of the public larder. All this, at the same time that Brits are also being asked to suck up enforced austerity and make significant cuts to welfare and other public social programs. Maybe the Obama administration didn't want any part of that nastiness.

However, if Reagan were still alive, we could've sent him. Thatcher and him were buddies.

and that excuses their disrespect how?????

[Tunnelcat]

When people HATE someone, they tend to disrespect them, and I'm talking about the British people, not Obama. I'm not condoning it either, she was a strong lady with guts and determination and I have to admire that. I was just explaining the circumstances over in Britain. Since there is very little love for her over there, why would Obama want rile up some Brit hatred for the U.S. by sending someone over there at all?

[CUDA]

When people HATE someone, they tend to disrespect them, and I'm talking about the British people, not Obama. I'm not condoning it either, she was a strong lady with guts and determination and I have to admire that. I was just explaining the circumstances over in Britain. Since there is very little love for her over there, why would Obama want rile up some Brit hatred for the U.S. by sending someone over there at all?

is there a part of this you're not understanding????
You show respect for the office, and in doing so you also shows respect for the people. it doesn't matter if you disagree with their politics. Gorbachev attended Reagan's funeral.
and as for the "very Little love" that you claim, there is as much if not more support for what she did as leader of the nation then there is disdain for it. stop reading the left wing blogs.

[Tunnelcat]

Ya know? You're right. After a quick search, I find that the Obama Administration DID send a delegation to ol' Hugo Chavez's funeral, so it's pretty damned crass to not send someone to Thatcher's funeral. It's almost like Obama flipped the bird at her. Really classy move Mr. President.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/ins ... z-funeral/

[Top Gun]

The leftist hate her because she brought a ailing socialist driven country from the edge of collapse. I guess Obama see's her as a counter point to how he is trying to shape our country. And as a aside didn't Obama disrespect the leader of Israel by showing him the back door out of the White House way back early in Obama's first term?

Maybe you should try talking to someone from Britain so that you can get a real perspective on her.

[Foil]

Unless I'm forgetting someone, we haven't had a regular E&C-poster from Britain in a while. It would certainly be interesting to hear their perspective.

[Spidey]

The leftist hate her because she brought a ailing socialist driven country from the edge of collapse. I guess Obama see's her as a counter point to how he is trying to shape our country. And as a aside didn't Obama disrespect the leader of Israel by showing him the back door out of the White House way back early in Obama's first term?

Maybe you should try talking to someone from Britain so that you can get a real perspective on her.

Yea, one person’s perspective…wouldn’t you prefer some stats instead?

[Foil]

Personally, I'm not really looking for a thorough perspective on Thatcher. I'd just like to hear from a Brit about whether they really are perceiving it as a major slight, or whether it's just being played up by conservative media here.

[Will Robinson]

Maybe the Brits are pissed off because a LOT of them already hate her, AND her little "send off" cost around 10 million pounds, or 15.3 million dollars. Add to that the 5 million pound security bill too, all coming out of the public larder. All this, at the same time that Brits are also being asked to suck up enforced austerity and make significant cuts to welfare and other public social programs. Maybe the Obama administration didn't want any part of that nastiness.

However, if Reagan were still alive, we could've sent him. Thatcher and him were buddies.

Did you just try to juxtapose Obama with excessive government spending?!?!

HaHaHa....HaHaHa!! ROFLMFAO!! That is some funny ★■◆●!!!

[Top Gun]

The leftist hate her because she brought a ailing socialist driven country from the edge of collapse. I guess Obama see's her as a counter point to how he is trying to shape our country. And as a aside didn't Obama disrespect the leader of Israel by showing him the back door out of the White House way back early in Obama's first term?

Maybe you should try talking to someone from Britain so that you can get a real perspective on her.

Yea, one person’s perspective…wouldn’t you prefer some stats instead?

The stats show that Britain's industrial output was decimated during Thatcher's time in office, that wealth disparity increased, and that multiple social welfare programs were significantly cut. One can always argue benefits vs. downsides, but these are the primary reasons why a significant percentage of British citizens don't have very fond memories of the Iron Lady, including pretty much every British acquaintance of mine. (There's also the uncomfortable little fact that she opposed sanctions against the apartheid South African government.) There was a pretty big uproar just over the decision to give her a state funeral. I doubt that many people in Britain would care either way whether or not the US sent an official delegation...also I think it bears investigating if US administrations have traditionally sent delegations to the funerals of past elected officials in other countries, as opposed to those who die while still holding office.

Also an interesting fact: while I don't condone celebrating the death of most people, one of the songs near the top of the British pop charts over the last week or two was "Ding Dong, The Witch is Dead" from The Wizard of Oz.

[Tunnelcat]

Maybe the Brits are pissed off because a LOT of them already hate her, AND her little "send off" cost around 10 million pounds, or 15.3 million dollars. Add to that the 5 million pound security bill too, all coming out of the public larder. All this, at the same time that Brits are also being asked to suck up enforced austerity and make significant cuts to welfare and other public social programs. Maybe the Obama administration didn't want any part of that nastiness.

However, if Reagan were still alive, we could've sent him. Thatcher and him were buddies.

Did you just try to juxtapose Obama with excessive government spending?!?!

HaHaHa....HaHaHa!! ROFLMFAO!! That is some funny ****!!!

Do you have to turn your head sideways just to get through the door? Have you forgotten that the previous Republican Presidency give us most of that debt you're carping about in the first place? And that Bush's administration probably has about the same popularity rating HERE as Thatcher's did, and apparently still does, in Britain. Uuuuuum, LIKE IN THE TOILET?

[Will Robinson]

Maybe the Brits are pissed off because a LOT of them already hate her, AND her little "send off" cost around 10 million pounds, or 15.3 million dollars. Add to that the 5 million pound security bill too, all coming out of the public larder. All this, at the same time that Brits are also being asked to suck up enforced austerity and make significant cuts to welfare and other public social programs. Maybe the Obama administration didn't want any part of that nastiness.

However, if Reagan were still alive, we could've sent him. Thatcher and him were buddies.

Did you just try to juxtapose Obama with excessive government spending?!?!

HaHaHa....HaHaHa!! ROFLMFAO!! That is some funny ****!!!

Do you have to turn your head sideways just to get through the door? Have you forgotten that the previous Republican Presidency give us most of that debt you're carping about in the first place? And that Bush's administration probably has about the same popularity rating HERE as Thatcher's did, and apparently still does, in Britain. Uuuuuum, LIKE IN THE TOILET?

I said "spending"....not debt. I'm talking about billions of new and horribly wasteful spending that Obama is the father of!! It has nothing to do with Bush. You can't invoke that tired excuse for everything your guy does, sorry, we are not stupid democrat constituents. Save that pile of crap for them/you.
Just work with post 2008 spending and see that my laughter is well founded. You can look at his recent 'budget' and see how it is a wonder we don't all go into gut-busting hysterical fits of laughter at your silly attempt to hold Obama out as fiscally honorable! Lol!

[Spidey]

“The real story: Manufacturing rose under Thatcher and fewer mines shut in the 1980s than the 1970s”

“British factories boosted their output by 7.5pc between the second quarter of 1979 and the third quarter of 1990, when she left Downing Street, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Output had grown another 4.9pc by the start of 1997, when the Tories were booted out. Given the bitterness of the 1980s’ recession, caused by the desperate need to wring out extreme levels of inflation from the system by using high interest rates, it shows just how effective her supply-side reforms turned out to be.
The real decline happened under Labour: in the second quarter of 2010, when Gordon Brown left office, the output of UK factories was fractionally lower than it was when Thatcher took her last, tearful ride in that ministerial Jaguar. It was significantly lower than when John Major left. Total industrial production including coal rose even more substantially under Thatcher than just manufacturing, thanks to North Sea oil. Far more miners lost their jobs, and far more mines were shut, in the 1960s and 1970s than during Thatcher’s time in office. Britain is suffering from a bout of collective amnesia.”


Source: Yahoo Finance Uk & Ireland

[Ferno]

sometimes it helps to have loads of different sources from different areas of the world.



Personally, if our PM never sent a representative to attend her funeral, it wouldn't matter.

[Sergeant Thorne]

Oh look, an idiot from Britain.

[Ferno]

an idiot that saw ms. thatcher's effects first hand and most likely knows better than any of us.

[woodchip]

Just like there are idiots in this country that think Obama's doing a wonderful job?

[Sergeant Thorne]

an idiot that saw ms. thatcher's effects first hand and most likely knows better than any of us.

An idiot is an idiot, Ferno. It makes little difference what his experience is. The only thing we can assume is that he speaks to a certain population in Britain, or he would not be a very popular cartoonist.

Next you'll be quoting George Carlin like his words are gospel...

[Spidey]

The facts are very clear…the UK was in decline for decades before Thatcher became prime minister, all she really did was level out that death spiral to the bottom. (slow it down)

Any objective person could see they were heading for a fate very similar to the Soviet Union. (same things…aging inefficient state owned industry…etc)

Yes, some of her policies hurt, but not doing anything would have been worse.

Of course it’s always nice to have someone else do the dirty work, then demonize them for it.

[Tunnelcat]

Just like there are idiots in this country that think Obama's doing a wonderful job?

Actually, few people really do, at least that I've talked to recently. He was just the least objectionable of the more recent choices.

The facts are very clear…the UK was in decline for decades before Thatcher became prime minister, all she really did was level out that death spiral to the bottom. (slow it down)

Any objective person could see they were heading for a fate very similar to the Soviet Union. (same things…aging inefficient state owned industry…etc)

Yes, some of her policies hurt, but not doing anything would have been worse.

Of course it’s always nice to have someone else do the dirty work, then demonize them for it.

It's more of a mixed bag than you think Spidey. The only concrete thing she did was get rig of unions and strikes. And manufacturing in Britain has still tanked despite that. But I guess that's your compass for success.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/data ... her-charts

[Ferno]

An idiot is an idiot, Ferno. It makes little difference what his experience is. The only thing we can assume is that he speaks to a certain population in Britain, or he would not be a very popular cartoonist.

Next you'll be quoting George Carlin like his words are gospel...

oh this is just adorable

[Sergeant Thorne]

An idiot is an idiot, Ferno. It makes little difference what his experience is. The only thing we can assume is that he speaks to a certain population in Britain, or he would not be a very popular cartoonist.

Next you'll be quoting George Carlin like his words are gospel...

oh this is just adorable

No, this is adorable...



That was terribly witty.

[flip]

Because the world doesn't produce people like that anymore.

[Ferno]

yeah that's adorable too.

but what's funny is the fact you consider the guy from the UK an idiot, even though he went through what Thatcher, just because you read something different and disagreed with his sentiment.

I wonder what you'd say if someone from the UK called you an idiot and praised Clinton's decisions (the same decisions that you lived through), based solely on what they read. I bet you would be pretty annoyed at that...

[Spidey]

I wouldn’t be so quick to call someone an idiot, but there are always at least 2 sides to every story.

As I pointed out, the UK was in decline for decades before Thatcher took office, so there is really no way to know that his family would not have lost their house anyway, and maybe even worse.

Reforms always hurt, the trick is to avoid needing them, and god only knows where that country would be without them.

Maybe better, maybe worse…but judging by the trajectory before she took office…

[Sergeant Thorne]

but what's funny is the fact you consider the guy from the UK an idiot, even though he went through what Thatcher, just because you read something different and disagreed with his sentiment.

But that's not how it went. I can tell an idiot by how far they are willing to go in denigrating a person's character whom they don't like or disagree with. And actually "fool" would be the more accurate term. And just in case your first reaction is to try to turn that around on me, think about it a little longer.

I don't necessarily have a problem with the idea that Margaret Thatcher did damage to the British economy, specifically because I don't know anything about it, I just filter my sources as you see here. I do have a very positive opinion of what I know about Margaret Thatcher's economic theory, though, so from that perspective I find it unbelievable, pending further information on the subject.

[Will Robinson]

The legacy attributed to effective leaders by their critics and allies alike is usually far from the truth no matter which does the telling.
Much like listening to either the Bloods or the Crips tell you why their gang is righteous and the other is a bunch of thugs...

[Pandora]

heh, I just told a british friend about this thread, and that people were shocked at the treatment of Thatcher by the British. His response was "And they we're not more shocked by the treatment of the British by Thatcher?"

[Ferno]

I wouldn’t be so quick to call someone an idiot, but there are always at least 2 sides to every story.

As I pointed out, the UK was in decline for decades before Thatcher took office, so there is really no way to know that his family would not have lost their house anyway, and maybe even worse.

Reforms always hurt, the trick is to avoid needing them, and god only knows where that country would be without them.

Maybe better, maybe worse…but judging by the trajectory before she took office…

True, there are two sides to every story. But that one comic lead me to read more about Thatcher's death on some various UK boards. And suffice it to say, the memories of what Thatcher's policy effects, to them, has been less than stellar.

[woodchip]

And a different cartoon about the Iron Lady:

[callmeslick]

whee! Jingoistic crap. Thatcher can rot in the same fetid spot that one hopes contains Reagan.....