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CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:14 am

Ferno wrote:
woodchip wrote:Who was blaming the Dems?

really? seriously?

Woodchip wrote:Falling in lockstep with the Dem spin machine I see.
between this and your track record of blaming the dems for everything.. do you really think we're that stupid?

Fern I think you got it wrong. I see Wood blaming slick for his comments about the right. not blaming them for this attack. just my .02

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:51 am

Ferno wrote:
woodchip wrote:Who was blaming the Dems?

really? seriously?

Woodchip wrote:Falling in lockstep with the Dem spin machine I see.
between this and your track record of blaming the dems for everything.. do you really think we're that stupid?

So if you point out that someone is repeating the democrat spin that it was possibly right winger who did the deed you are somehow guilty of blaming democrats?!? Blaming them for what? For their hoping out loud that it was a right winger? If so then yes, that much they have done and is obvious so that isn't likely what you meant. So what blame do you think has been assigned here?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:21 am

ThugsRook wrote:
tunnelcat wrote:Whoever did this deserve some punishment of the worst kind, whether local militias OR Jihadists.
those are our only 2 choices?

couldnt possibly be anything else, eh?

Oh, I can think of some pretty evil stuff to do to said culprits, but I do have a sense of decorum here and we do have laws in the U.S. on how criminals are supposed to be treated.

Here's s picture of what the bomb bag looked like right before it went off. See the poor guy that's the 2nd person left of the bag in the grey sweatshirt? He's the one that was shown on TV in the aftermath being pushed down the street in a wheelchair with his leg blown off. Shows you that bag probably contained the bomb. I won't post the actual pic, but the Huff Post has the picture. Nasty.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ws-1836532

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:03 pm

Ferno wrote:
woodchip wrote:Who was blaming the Dems?

really? seriously?

Woodchip wrote:Falling in lockstep with the Dem spin machine I see.
between this and your track record of blaming the dems for everything.. do you really think we're that stupid?

Well Ferny, it seems the other people here understood what I was getting at so I guess you are the only one in the stupid category. and to illustrate what is really stupid, from Salon, Headlines:

Let’s hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:40 pm

CUDA wrote:Fern I think you got it wrong. I see Wood blaming slick for his comments about the right. not blaming them for this attack. just my .02

you saying that he doesn't take every chance he gets to blame the left for everything?

*sigh* Guess I'll have to break it down then... "dem spin machine" A) accusing slick of toeing the line and buying into "dem" propaganda and B) implying that there is media spin in relation to this. Of course, anyone who's been paying any attention for the last three years would already know that it's from the department of the obvious.

Blaming them for what?

well maybe woody can tell us what they're guilty of this time, no matter how left-field and tacky it may be.

Just so that no one goes 'well you haven't called any lefties out!', keep in mind that if someone, for example slick, gets too nuts.. i'll call him out too.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:40 pm

CUDA wrote:
woodchip wrote:Who was blaming the Dems?
Funny the way I read it was slick blaming the right.

Isn't that correct slick.that exactly what you did in the other forum. You blamed the right.
Moderate HA

WTF are you talking about? In this and the 'other' forum, I said it might well turn out to be domestic. That isn't 'blaming' anyone, merely acknowledging the extreme rhetoric of the day. A little jumpy there, huh? Worried that it might turn out to be a Tea Party type run amok? I'm highlighting a certain word to illustrate a complete lack of certainty as you seem unable to grasp simple English without aids of some sort, which is a recent development, CUDA.....that isn't usually a problem for you.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:53 pm

Umm just what Teaparty type are you refering to? Last I checked Teaparty members are pretty straight laced as opposed to the SEIU thugs who knocked down a black teaparty member and never got called on it. Perhaps you are really thinking of OWS types by mistake?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:22 am

callmeslick wrote: WTF are you talking about? In this and the 'other' forum, I said it might well turn out to be domestic. That isn't 'blaming' anyone, merely acknowledging the extreme rhetoric of the day. A little jumpy there, huh? Worried that it might turn out to be a Tea Party type run amok? I'm highlighting a certain word to illustrate a complete lack of certainty as you seem unable to grasp simple English without aids of some sort, which is a recent development, CUDA.....that isn't usually a problem for you.

bull★■◆●. A prudent man would have said let's get the facts first before rendering judgement.
You said its probably a right wing nutcase, saying "might" is just hedging your bets. Now yor saying it may be a tea party member. make no mistake you totaly intended to blame the right for this attack. If you WERE a moderate you could have just as easily said it was a left wing group. But you didn't and you never do. You're not a moderate, you never have been, and the ONLY person on this forum that believes you're one is you. Stop deceiving yourself

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:51 am

Well, he did win his poll…(2 people said he wasn’t left wing)

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:03 am

woodchip wrote:Umm just what Teaparty type are you refering to? Last I checked Teaparty members are pretty straight laced as opposed to the SEIU thugs who knocked down a black teaparty member and never got called on it. Perhaps you are really thinking of OWS types by mistake?

not really.....I stated the words, 'run amok' to suggest a person leaving the fold of the politically active and going extremist. Same could be suggested, certainly, of some in the OWS camp, were the target a bank, corporate headquarters or stock brokerage, but it wasn't.

BTW, photos seem to show rather domestic types near the bombs before planting.....hmmmm.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:08 am

CUDA wrote:
callmeslick wrote: WTF are you talking about? In this and the 'other' forum, I said it might well turn out to be domestic. That isn't 'blaming' anyone, merely acknowledging the extreme rhetoric of the day. A little jumpy there, huh? Worried that it might turn out to be a Tea Party type run amok? I'm highlighting a certain word to illustrate a complete lack of certainty as you seem unable to grasp simple English without aids of some sort, which is a recent development, CUDA.....that isn't usually a problem for you.
****. A prudent man would have said let's get the facts first before rendering judgement.

which, indeed, I did....hence, I merely suggested considering all possibilities, and passed exactly ZERO judgements, as opposed to others here.

You said its probably a right wing nutcase, saying "might" is just hedging your bets.

no, saying MIGHT suggests the possibility, anything past that is a figment of your own imagination. I said no such thing.

Now yor saying it may be a tea party member. make no mistake you totaly intended to blame the right for this attack.

I said, as stated above, a Tea Party type RUN AMOK, as in CRAZY. Politics has the potential to generate crazies, from any side.

If you WERE a moderate you could have just as easily said it was a left wing group. But you didn't and you never do.

had the target been otherwise, as stated above, I would have......

You're not a moderate, you never have been, and the ONLY person on this forum that believes you're one is you. Stop deceiving yourself

sorry, but not true....it seems you are a little over-sensitive to the POSSIBILITY that all the hate-rhetoric of the past few years from your side of the political world just might have caused someone to go off the rails. Live with that idea, and perhaps, just perhaps, learn from it in future discourse/

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:47 pm

This is the shittiest thread I have seen on here in a very long time. Seriously, what the hell people.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:33 pm

callmeslick wrote:BTW, photos seem to show rather domestic types near the bombs before planting.....hmmmm.

But a source told CNN's Deb Feyerick on Thursday that those individuals are no longer of high interest to investigators.

hmmmm. I'm glad we are waiting for the real facts before passing judgement.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:54 pm

Top Gun wrote:This is the shittiest thread I have seen on here in a very long time. Seriously, what the hell people.

par for the course buddy. par for the course.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:35 pm

TWO CAUCASIAN MALES are the main suspects. Not Middle Eastern. Tough luck woodchip. Probably 2 homegrown slimeballs who did this.

[youtube]FuBzD8b3lTY[/youtube]

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:46 pm

Look middle eastern to me. I say we should invade Saudi Arabia next.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:57 pm

The FBI said to look for 2 Caucasian suspects. CBS News said the same. The guy in the white cap especially looks white. Is that going to disappoint you woody?

BIGGER FBI VIDEO

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:58 pm

tunnelcat wrote:The FBI said to look for 2 Caucasian suspects. CBS News said the same. The guy in the white cap especially looks white. Is that going to disappoint you woody?

BIGGER FBI VIDEO

The question is quickly becoming: Is it going to give you an orgasm if it turns out one or both are registered republicans?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:16 pm

No. It is satisfying to poke at the Islamohysteria Americans seem to have whenever some major terrorist attack occurs, because invariably it turns out to be one of our own who's the culprit, whether it's a leftist anarchist, or a rightist Nazi. Actually my guess is a leftist anarchist group. Either way, I wouldn't want to be either of those guys right now.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:35 am

Looks like you may be wrong TC. Police conversation was heard talking about a middle eastern type. That would be the guy still on the loose.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:06 am

Looks like 2 middle easterners.
1 dead, the other running. I'm glad no body jumped to any conclusions about them being right wingers or anything.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:12 am

CUDA wrote:Looks like 2 middle easterners.
1 dead, the other running. I'm glad no body jumped to any conclusions about them being right wingers or anything.

I know the writer at Salon will be devastated......

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:27 am

Might be Russian Chechen. Possibly Turkish. Story is changing, definitely not Tea party

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:13 am

I want to know how they got, quote "military grade explosives" i.e. hand grenades.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:20 am

tunnelcat wrote:No. It is satisfying to poke at the Islamohysteria Americans seem to have whenever some major terrorist attack occurs, because invariably it turns out to be one of our own who's the culprit, whether it's a leftist anarchist, or a rightist Nazi. Actually my guess is a leftist anarchist group. Either way, I wouldn't want to be either of those guys right now.

Really? "Invariably" huh? You might want to look that word up because I don't think it means what you think it means. Or else you are just making stuff up to support your own twisted perspective again.

Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. or Against Americans

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:26 am

TC, do you see the govt. action against the Branch Davidians where babies and their mothers died as a direct result of the govt. actions as a act of terrorism or do you believe the Davidians got their just desserts ?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:25 pm

CUDA wrote:Might be Russian Chechen. Possibly Turkish. Story is changing, definitely not Tea party

Two brothers, the sons of Russian Chechen immigrants. A lot of Chechens are displaced Muslims. The elder of the 2 brothers, Tamerlan, who was shot dead by police last night, posted youtube videos of his radical Muslim ideologies. His 19 year old brother is still on the loose. Hopefully this will end soon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

woodchip wrote:TC, do you see the govt. action against the Branch Davidians where babies and their mothers died as a direct result of the govt. actions as a act of terrorism or do you believe the Davidians got their just desserts ?

I do think the ATF went overboard with their action, I'm not approving of their heavy handed response. But crap will probably happen when a group of people follow a crazy, gun collecting, charismatic leader with delusions of Godhood. Think Jonestown, Guyana. By the way woody, are you happy that those 2 bombers did in fact turn out to have Islamist dreams?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:59 pm

TC, there is nothing to be happy about. If anything this successful act of terrorism will induce more madmen to follow suit. For America there is no win here.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:37 pm

Not just America, but in every civilized open society that abhors it.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:06 pm

The sad saga comes to a end with the capture of the 2nd suspect. Now lets dust off the old Bush era water treatment so we can wring all the info out of him that we can.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:49 am

Except, as a recently-released study has shown, those methods produced little to nothing in the way of useful information, and really only managed to further endanger our troops overseas. There are plenty of ways of getting someone like this to talk without using methods that stoop down to his own level. In any case, since the two brothers apparently told the man they carjacked about both the bombing and MIT officer shooting, it may not be an interrogation so much as a confession.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:40 am

Funny I don't think Bin-Ladin would agree with you since we got him with information obtained by enhanced interrogation.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:10 am

Ummm TG, there's more going on here than just 2 happy go lucky brothers tossing off a bomb for a lark. The older brother spent 6 months in Chechnya which is now a known AQ hang out. Who were his contacts there? Are there more people involved that helped the two dirt bags pull this off? Et cetera , et cetera

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:51 am

I don’t think peeling their skin off and dusting them with fine salt will get any good results either.

(notice the different reply from TG to Cob…I think the word begins with “H”)

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:22 am

CUDA wrote:Funny I don't think Bin-Ladin would agree with you since we got him with information obtained by enhanced interrogation.

Stop throwing the truth into the discussion it just confuses them! Besides, Obama killed bin Ladin everyone knows that is all that counts.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:38 am

CUDA wrote:Funny I don't think Bin-Ladin would agree with you since we got him with information obtained by enhanced interrogation.

Funny, because the people actually involved in that hunt said we didn't need such tactics to get him, and would have without them. Zero Dark-Thirty was (apparently) a great movie, but it was just that.

woodchip wrote:Ummm TG, there's more going on here than just 2 happy go lucky brothers tossing off a bomb for a lark. The older brother spent 6 months in Chechnya which is now a known AQ hang out. Who were his contacts there? Are there more people involved that helped the two dirt bags pull this off? Et cetera , et cetera

Yes, those are obviously important questions to have answered, but why would you jump straight to thinking that flat-out torture would be necessary to get them answered? We have absolutely no idea either way how willing this guy will be to talk (and as I noted before, the only evidence we do have suggests that they weren't exactly tight-lipped), and I'm fairly confident that the best FBI interrogators could get most of us to sing like canaries just with a few simple verbal tricks. Everything about this attack has suggested that these two brothers were rank amateurs, and I fully expect that to carry through to this stage of things.

Spidey wrote:I don’t think peeling their skin off and dusting them with fine salt will get any good results either.

(notice the different reply from TG to Cob…I think the word begins with “H”)

No, the word begins with "not justifying disturbing/ridiculous hyperbole with a response."

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:02 pm

No, I think it’s more like a knee jerk reaction to Woody, while giving one of your own some slack.

Torture is torture…period

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:17 pm

Top Gun wrote:
Everything about this attack has suggested that these two brothers were rank amateurs, and I fully expect that to carry through to this stage of things.

Rank amateur describes the shoe bomber, the underware bomber and the guy who could only get the car to smoke instead of blowing up. The Boston bombers were successful in their objective, eluded police for 4 days and went down shooting. Just where are they amateurs?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:08 pm

Spidey wrote:No, I think it’s more like a knee jerk reaction to Woody, while giving one of your own some slack.

Torture is torture…period

"My own," that's rich. So you really don't have the reading comprehension to differentiate between stupid hyperbole and a legitimate suggestion? Maybe you should file a complaint with your old English teachers.

woodchip wrote:
Top Gun wrote:
Everything about this attack has suggested that these two brothers were rank amateurs, and I fully expect that to carry through to this stage of things.

Rank amateur describes the shoe bomber, the underware bomber and the guy who could only get the car to smoke instead of blowing up. The Boston bombers were successful in their objective, eluded police for 4 days and went down shooting. Just where are they amateurs?

They conducted an attack that required them to be present at the site, in broad daylight, surrounded by tens of thousands of people, with the full expectation that they would be recorded by who knows how many surveillance cameras and cell phones, yet they made no attempt to conceal their identities. After the images were inevitably made public, they panicked, shot the MIT officer for no real reason, and then carjacked another individual, which brought practically every officer in Boston down on their heads. All the ensuing shootout managed to do was get one of them killed (and run over by his younger brother, no less), and while the other managed for the moment, he was already wounded, and the only hiding place he could find was discovered as soon as the residents were able to leave their homes. It'd be one thing if they'd planned this as a suicide attack, but they obviously wanted to get away with it...and yet they were doomed to failure at that from the moment that they showed their faces on Monday. Professionals they were not.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:41 pm

Top Gun wrote:
CUDA wrote:Funny I don't think Bin-Ladin would agree with you since we got him with information obtained by enhanced interrogation.
Funny, because the people actually involved in that hunt said we didn't need such tactics to get him,...

And Panetta, when pressed, also agreed that the information that led them to bin Ladins location, by way of identifying his courier, came from torture. Of course he is going to say they would have caught him anyway he has no choice but to say that.
However, without that information about the courier they would probably still be trying to find him....and yes, they might have eventually found him anyway....or not.

The article tries to lead you to believe they suspected the compound was a likely hideout but that is very misleading spin because no one knew of the compound until AFTER the courier was discovered and then identified and located! The person that gave the intel regarding the existence of the courier did so while bing waterboarded. If the courier hadnt been mentioned then no one would have been able to find him and follow his activity to put that compound on the radar in the first place!

There is no reason to believe the courier was going to be revealed by any other part of the investigation. If there was you can be sure that aspect would have been referenced instead of the weak spin they offered.