So if the Summer season is around the corner

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Re: So if the Summer season is around the corner

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Did you miss this when you posted what you did?:

"Despite the recent lull, it is an open question whether the pace of that warming has undergone any lasting shift."

So you see TG, they just don't know what is going on. Thank you for pointing that out .

Also I guess you missed:

"So the real question is where all that heat is going, if not to warm the surface. And a prime suspect is the deep ocean. Our measurements there are not good enough to confirm it absolutely, but a growing body of research suggests this may be an important part of the answer."

Perhaps they will be bright enough to understand when the warmth increases so do the diatoms and when they die their hard shells sequester a certain amount of carbon which then sinks to the bottom of the ocean.

Also if you had read on this little statement suggest perhaps dirty air pollution may be the culprit to the earlier cooling period:

"It turns out we had an earlier plateau in global warming, from roughly the 1950s to the 1970s, and scientists do not fully understand that one either. A lot of evidence suggests that sunlight-blocking pollution from dirty factories may have played a role, as did natural variability in ocean circulation. The pollution was ultimately reduced by stronger clean-air laws in the West. "

So pollution caused world wide cooling and then clean air allows the heat in. Gee, I thought the warmers keep saying we need to pass more clean air laws. Perhaps we need more dirty coal fired generators to be built. Hyperbole aside the article clearly shows no one knows yet what is going on...least of all you TG.
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I bet the algae had all sorts of stupid political vs science debates saying they could never increase the global atmospheric Oxygen content by a significant amount.
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woodchip wrote:So pollution caused world wide cooling and then clean air allows the heat in. Gee, I thought the warmers keep saying we need to pass more clean air laws. Perhaps we need more dirty coal fired generators to be built. Hyperbole aside the article clearly shows no one knows yet what is going on...least of all you TG.
All it shows is that you're a complete goober who can't science your way out of a paper bag. The article states that the rate of temperature increase has exhibited a short-term plateau, though said plateau contains the majority of the highest annual global temperature averages on record. The exact mechanism behind this is not fully understood right now, although variations in the rate of increase are expected, and have been observed in the past. (Look here.) This is something that scientists want to actively study, because doing so will help us better model the entire climate system, and make more accurate predictions going forward. Nothing about this changes the basic facts that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and that anthropogenic global warming has been driven by the widespread burning of fossil fuels. I can't think of much more of a stupid response to this issue than the statement, "Let's burn more coal!"

Seriously, I am sick and tired of people who don't know what the hell they're talking about cherry-picking random statements in an attempt to push a factually-wrong agenda, and that includes a bunch of assholes in Congress too.
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Re: So if the Summer season is around the corner

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Top Gun wrote:
woodchip wrote:So pollution caused world wide cooling and then clean air allows the heat in. Gee, I thought the warmers keep saying we need to pass more clean air laws. Perhaps we need more dirty coal fired generators to be built. Hyperbole aside the article clearly shows no one knows yet what is going on...least of all you TG.
All it shows is that you're a complete goober who can't science your way out of a paper bag. The article states that the rate of temperature increase has exhibited a short-term plateau, though said plateau contains the majority of the highest annual global temperature averages on record. The exact mechanism behind this is not fully understood right now, although variations in the rate of increase are expected, and have been observed in the past. (Look here.) This is something that scientists want to actively study, because doing so will help us better model the entire climate system, and make more accurate predictions going forward. Nothing about this changes the basic facts that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and that anthropogenic global warming has been driven by the widespread burning of fossil fuels. I can't think of much more of a stupid response to this issue than the statement, "Let's burn more coal!"

Seriously, I am sick and tired of people who don't know what the hell they're talking about cherry-picking random statements in an attempt to push a factually-wrong agenda, and that includes a bunch of assholes in Congress too.
Well Mr science guy, the data clearly showed increased pollutants stopped the warming. The data also shows more CO2 than ever before is being pumped
into the atmosphere yet warming has flatlined. So what are we to assume? Man is causing warming or is man causing cooling? I suggest TG you pull out your science dictionary (you do have one don't you?) and look up the meaning of the word "hypothesis". And while you're at it google how scientist get funding for their pet climate projects. If you think the money flows if you say the earth is cooling, then I have a nice big ice berg to sell you.
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What the data show us are that human-generated emissions can have both positive and negative effects on the rate of climate change, depending on the substance in question, but we know empirically that the cumulative warming effects are several times stronger than the cooling effects, which is reflected in the results that we've seen. I would love to know what you view as the definition of a "hypothesis," and why you think it's relevant to this conversation. And are you seriously trying to insinuate that academic-based pure research has people throwing money at scientists in order to produce the specific results they desire? Because that's all sorts of hilarious.
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It's called Industry Funded Research, the flip side of that is Government Funded Research and If you don't think funding is politically motivated, well, that's all kinds of hilarious too.

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30000

I think it's pure stupidity to think we have no influence over the climate, but to what degree is open for debate. Add personal agendas to the mix and it makes it near impossible to rely on data alone.
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Just to interject a quick note, as I believe there is some misunderstanding here:

The "plateau" being discussed is a recent lull of the warming rate, not of the temperature. The warming trend has not ceased.
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