Support "Bro-Choice" today and get laid!

[Nightshade]

We're continually told that abortion is a feminist cause and right when it actually serves the selfish desires of irresponsible males.

Yeah! Go pro-choice BROS! (Really Bro-Choice HA! <fistbump>)

http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4849

[callmeslick]

young men in college say a lot of stupid things.....what's your point?

[woodchip]

Does there have to be a point?

[Spidey]

I think he already made his point, but my question is…is this supposed to be some kind of revelation on something.

[Tunnelcat]

Men in college don't know how to make informed choices and neither do the women. They still don't have developed frontal lobes at that age. They'd rather drink and party until they're thoroughly plastered and THEN have as much sex as possible and have that easy "out" for their "one night stands". They treat this as a right too.

[Sergeant Thorne]

Men in college don't know how to make informed choices and neither do the women. They still don't have developed frontal lobes at that age.

That's totally a load of ★■◆●. No need to blame on natural inexperience and the frontal lobe what can be explained by selfish, negative social trends and a lack of proper parenting.

[Tunnelcat]

That's totally a load of ****. No need to blame on natural inexperience and the frontal lobe what can be explained by selfish, negative social trends and a lack of proper parenting

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Not so oh wise one, at least not completely. The prefrontal cortex isn't fully matured until around age 25. Most of the college students that really get into trouble are around 18, just out of high school and the first time away from meddling parents. Go and watch the show Campus PD sometime. These young kids do the craziest things and get into some pretty serious trouble. All that freedom, alcohol, rampant hormones and easy-to-obtain sex is a bad recipe for self control when the prefrontal cortex is not fully developed and the parents aren't around. But I agree that the parents need to do a much better job of teaching their kids self control before they leave home. It's just that they can only do so much with an immature human being once they've left their sphere of influence.

http://www.hhs.gov/opa/familylife/tech_ ... al_cortex/

The prefrontal cortex is one of the last regions of the brain to reach maturation. This delay may help to explain why some adolescents act the way they do. The so-called “executive functions” of the human prefrontal cortex include:

Focusing attention
Organizing thoughts and problem solving
Foreseeing and weighing possible consequences of behavior
Considering the future and making predictions
Forming strategies and planning
Ability to balance short-term rewards with long term goals
Shifting/adjusting behavior when situations change
Impulse control and delaying gratification
Modulation of intense emotions
Inhibiting inappropriate behavior and initiating appropriate behavior
Simultaneously considering multiple streams of information when faced with complex and challenging information

This brain region gives an individual the capacity to exercise “good judgment” when presented with difficult life situations. Brain research indicating that brain development is not complete until near the age of 25, refers specifically to the development of the prefrontal cortex.

[Sergeant Thorne]

So I'm only not wrong if you don't feel like being obtuse about the real-life ramifications of brain development? I'm from a different world, TC. A world that actually exists. A world of personal responsibility, where young people are not waiting for a chance to cast off restraint. It's obvious to everyone that their reasoning and judgment abilities are not yet fully formed, but that alone does not explain the difference between your world and mine, because it is the only thing our worlds actually have in common. I say that your world is deficient. Feel free to not like it.

People are not perfect, but natural imperfection does not cover non-universal, selfish, destructive behavior patterns.

[vision]

I'm from a different world, TC. A world that actually exists. A world of personal responsibility, where young people are not waiting for a chance to cast off restraint. A world where it's inhabitants are thoroughly brainwashed to embrace their slavery and live uptight, prejudiced lives. A world where everyone and every thought is evil unless you are one of the chosen few who live under God's grace. A world where facts take a back seat to mysticism. A world where fear and guilt are used to keep order and the mantra of personal responsibility is used an excuse to bottle up compassion and any real sacrifice.

[Sergeant Thorne]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that vision doesn't know anything about it either. Thanks for the reminder, there, vision. Nice shot in the dark, though, I don't think there's a single anti-Christian that would take issue with your generalizations.

[snoopy]

Men in college don't know how to make informed choices and neither do the women. They still don't have developed frontal lobes at that age. They'd rather drink and party until they're thoroughly plastered and THEN have as much sex as possible and have that easy "out" for their "one night stands". They treat this as a right too.

My experience is that it doesn't have to be that way. The majority of the students at my university neither got drunk nor went around having copious amounts of sex.

Under-developed frontal lobes or no, college age students are proven to be capable of showing restraint in my experience.

[vision]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that vision doesn't know anything about it either.

Apparently you don't know your own imagined world very well either. So which is it Thorne? Do college age kids act out from "lack of personal responsibility" or "negative social trends and poor parenting?" Because you can't have it both ways. If someone is a product of poor parenting and negative social trends, how are they responsible for their actions? At what arbitrary point do you go from blaming the parents and society to blaming the individual? Before or after their brain is fully developed? When they become a legal adult (which happens while they are still developing cognitively)? When they first learn the concept of responsibility? Have you ever thought to address the fact that early childhood experiences that can't be remembered will shape a person's decision-making process for the rest of their lives? And that even if this fact is recognized there is little that can be done to change it, even if resources are available? Seems like your philosophy is not very well thought out.

Gee, if only everyone had parents that were good and wholesome like the righteous preachers on the TV!

[Nightshade]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that vision doesn't know anything about it either.

Apparently you don't know your own imagined world very well either. So which is it Thorne? Do college age kids act out from "lack of personal responsibility" or "negative social trends and poor parenting?" Because you can't have it both ways. If someone is a product of poor parenting and negative social trends, how are they responsible for their actions? At what arbitrary point do you go from blaming the parents and society to blaming the individual? Before or after their brain is fully developed? When they become a legal adult (which happens while they are still developing cognitively)? When they first learn the concept of responsibility? Have you ever thought to address the fact that early childhood experiences that can't be remembered will shape a person's decision-making process for the rest of their lives? And that even if this fact is recognized there is little that can be done to change it, even if resources are available? Seems like your philosophy is not very well thought out.

Gee, if only everyone had parents that were good and wholesome like the righteous preachers on the TV!

There are apologists for stupidity and you seem to be one of them. There simply is no shame anymore. The 'new' societal structure you espouse is very self-destructive and you can see it in our urban centers where 'progressive' or 'liberal think' hold sway. Decay, destitution and suffering. The shining examples of 'liberal think' are rotting cesspools.

[CUDA]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that vision doesn't know anything about it either.

Apparently you don't know your own imagined world very well either. So which is it Thorne? Do college age kids act out from "lack of personal responsibility" or "negative social trends and poor parenting?" Because you can't have it both ways. If someone is a product of poor parenting and negative social trends, how are they responsible for their actions? At what arbitrary point do you go from blaming the parents and society to blaming the individual? Before or after their brain is fully developed? When they become a legal adult (which happens while they are still developing cognitively)? When they first learn the concept of responsibility? Have you ever thought to address the fact that early childhood experiences that can't be remembered will shape a person's decision-making process for the rest of their lives? And that even if this fact is recognized there is little that can be done to change it, even if resources are available? Seems like your philosophy is not very well thought out.

Gee, if only everyone had parents that were good and wholesome like the righteous preachers on the TV!

How are they responsible for their own actions. SERIOUSLY.?
Maybe because they CHOSE the action. Upbringing no matter how bad doesn't absolve someone from their choices. just because a parent doesnt teach their child right from wrong doesnt mean that child is not resposible for that wrong. The "Devil made me do it defense" doesn't hold muster

[woodchip]

At least back in my day the girls knew how to keep their legs crossed and 11 year olds didn't have cell phones to take pictures of their naked bodies.

[vision]

SERIOUSLY.?

What I was asking Thorne, and I guess you too, is where do you draw the arbitrary line between poor parenting / society and personal responsibility? Don't get me wrong, I think guys that support abortion because it makes for easier sex are total low-life scum. But I also believe this comes from lack of... how shall I say... "empathy training." Unfortunately, it seems empathy can be overridden through biology and/or upbringing.

At least back in my day the girls knew how to keep their legs crossed and 11 year olds didn't have cell phones to take pictures of their naked bodies.

No, the 11 year olds would just sneak off and play doctor when parents were not looking. Sexting is just a new manifestation of an old practice. Eleven years old is right about the time kids start to develop sexually even when it doesn't show on the surface. By the way, children are having sex later in life than any other time in history (at least in the West), so "back in my day" certainly sounds more romantic than factual.