Sovereign Citizen's Movement

[callmeslick]

.....any thoughts about this fringe movement? We had a handful of these folks back in rural central PA when I lived there. Most are harmless(illegal, in many respects, in their actions around taxes and respect for laws, but harmless overall), some seem not so much. This came to mind from this current story:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/au ... n-citizen/

[Top Gun]

Goody, more nutjobs.

[callmeslick]

I'm of the opinion that 'normal' is highly over-rated, but the idea that America has plenty of 'nut-jobs' isn't new.

[Sergeant Thorne]

considers sovereign-citizen extremists as comprising a domestic terrorist movement

After much consideration and debate regarding whether to be hampered by legal red tape...

My question is, during the civil war which side were the domestic terrorists?

[Sergeant Thorne]

My opinion is that these folks need a little more education to go with their zeal. Americans put up with abuses of their rights all the time. These folks rightly push back, I think, but when it comes to executing people after trying them in a private court, they should see the hypocrisy in that. That's murder, IMO. Sounds to me like they're wound way too tight. When you're ready to kill people outside of self-defense, you've declared war, and had better be prepared to be met with lethal force in turn. I just hope the prosecutors have more than just FBI testimony--they need to have audio or video evidence.

[callmeslick]

considers sovereign-citizen extremists as comprising a domestic terrorist movement

After much consideration and debate regarding whether to be hampered by legal red tape...

My question is, during the civil war which side were the domestic terrorists?

it would seem that it was the Southerners by that definition. The first history textbook I read(in Virginia, a long time ago) held otherwise, though.

[flip]

That all depends on how you look at it. Who fired the first shot, or the events that led up to it. It's always been my understanding that the South did not feel they were getting fair market value for agricultural goods in trade for the manufactured goods coming from the North. Their intent was declare themselves a sovereign nation and then establish trade with the North under different circumstances.

[callmeslick]

That all depends on how you look at it. Who fired the first shot, or the events that led up to it. It's always been my understanding that the South did not feel they were getting fair market value for agricultural goods in trade for the manufactured goods coming from the North. Their intent was declare themselves a sovereign nation and then establish trade with the North under different circumstances.

that's essentially how I always understood it, as well.

[Spidey]

Funny thing…the Fed is supposed to regulate trade between states so that exact thing does not happen……

[flip]

Hehe, well. People think that the Civil War stopped in 1865, but that is just when the fighting stopped. After every war of violence, a cold war ensues. You will still to this day find most of the poorest states reside in the South. Georgia would have been among them if not for the friends and insight of Asa Candler. Fun fact about that guy, I grew up in the very same house as he in Villa Rica, GA.

[callmeslick]

Hehe, well. People think that the Civil War stopped in 1865, but that is just when the fighting stopped. After every war of violence, a cold war ensues. You will still to this day find most of the poorest states reside in the South. Georgia would have been among them if not for the friends and insight of Asa Candler. Fun fact about that guy, I grew up in the very same house as he in Villa Rica, GA.

did he move first?
That's an interesting analysis of the War of Northern Aggression.....and seems pretty accurate, now that I think about it. I'm not sure the Southern states are the poorest, overall, but certainly the disparities are more obvious. I see that much in my frequent travels between Delaware and Virginia.

[flip]

Hehe, He was long gone before I came along. He was the guy who bought Coca-Cola for 500 bucks! Served as Mayor of Atlanta, but probably his greatest contribution was Hartsfield-Jackson, which used to be known as Candler Field. He also founded Central Bank and Trust, which through a few mergers is now Bank of America. The house was kinda spooky though, so who knows . He basically single-handedly put Georgia on the map.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Griggs_Candler