[Split] On perceptions in Russia

[Isaac]

I think we've scared away the Russians. Aren't we nice people.

[callmeslick]

....the Best!! America, feck yeah!

[Isaac]

Going to save the mother fracking thread, yeah.

[callmeslick]

sometimes,trying to save a thread in here is akin to trying to re-assemble the turkey after Thanksgiving dinner.........

[Isaac]

The Walking Thread

[sigma]

I think we've scared away the Russians. Aren't we nice people.

The fact is that most asked questions are rhetorical, or to which it makes no sense to give an answer, or is it a frank trolling. In addition, the main thread, for example, my views often lost or never noticed. That is any my opinion more likely to be perceived as anti-American propaganda, but not as an independent view of the Russians on the U.S. from outside.

P.S. Opinion of any ordinary person, of any nationality, any country is always a matter of respect and interest, in contrast to the views of politicians in these countries. In my opinion, freedom of expression and exchange of views Descenters on this forum, including on political issues as ordinary citizens, representatives of different civilizations, it is a matter of respect.

[Isaac]

I asked you a question three times!!!! It was a serious question, not trolling. Or did you think I was rhetorical, three times?

[sigma]

I asked you a question three times!!!! It was a serious question, not trolling. Or did you think I was rhetorical, three times?

As I said, some posts are published with a delay. Maybe I have something might have overlooked. Remind me please your question.

[Isaac]

Do you think black people are not as intelligent as native Russians?

[sigma]

Do you think black people are not as intelligent as native Russians?

In Russia very few blacks . All niggers, who I know do not have a high level of intelligence. Perhaps this is due to inadequate education . In any case , a talented black man will always find a good place in Russia , good income , and a lot of other benefits that will never see the many stupid Russians who leave stupid comments on YouTube . The only rule - that negros not fit into Russian politics and did not arrange a demonstration here in support of blacks. If any black man even then only try to express their dissatisfaction Russians power or his discontent Russian tradition , most likely he would be killed , and this even nobody will ever know, most likely. This is true. We respect the blacks, but blacks should not be here too much. Here Russia , but not Africa or the United States .

[Tunnelcat]

Perhaps Russian attitudes and biases towards black people could explain why intelligent black people would want to avoid living in your country. They are looked down upon and thought of as lesser beings, so why would they even want to live there in the first place? If I were a black person, Russia would be the last place I'd want to move to. Same for LGBT people. Your society is so poisonous towards them, living there would be tantamount to committing social suicide. I doubt that Peter Tchaikovsky, or his brothers, or a whole host of other Russian artists, poets and leaders, would want to live there in today's Russian toxic climate.

[sigma]

Perhaps Russian attitudes and biases towards black people could explain why intelligent black people would want to avoid living in your country. They are looked down upon and thought of as lesser beings, so why would they even want to live there in the first place? If I were a black person, Russia would be the last place I'd want to move to. Same for LGBT people. Your society is so poisonous towards them, living there would be tantamount to committing social suicide. I doubt that Peter Tchaikovsky, or his brothers, or a whole host of other Russian artists, poets and leaders, would want to live there in today's Russian toxic climate.

We do not need here negros and LGBT today their manifestation. It's not creative people like Tchaikovsky , Hans Andersen or Alexander Pushkin, who was black . Tchaikovsky did not show people his deviation in the psyche . Without a doubt, it was painful to perceive the lack of understanding of his abnormal desires of society. But it is also aware of his illness, and he tried not to put it on display. As I said , many people with disabilities to sexual orientation brought a lot of benefit to all mankind. But no need to agitate traditionally oriented young people to deviations in the psyche , the use of psychotropic substances. 99.99 % of blue will never famous composers, if we will allow them to legally ★■◆● each other in the ass . You do not agree?

[Top Gun]

...wow.

[vision]

...wow.

Double wow. You know, I used to think it was pretty cool the Internet let me easily converse with people all over the world. I think I would like to give that ability back.

[sigma]

They are looked down upon and thought of as lesser beings, so why would they even want to live there in the first place?

I know some Americans who have sold their businesses and housing in the United States, Canada and migrated to live in Russia . (But these are my friends - white Americans). When I asked why they did it, they told me that in the United States and Canada, a very high level of competition than in Russia . In Russia many more opportunities for business development. This is true if they take the rules of the game in Russia , you can get a very good income from a business that can not be compared with income from that business in the United States . These people thrive and not want flaunt your success , so as not to attract competitors from the West.

[sigma]

...wow.

Double wow. You know, I used to think it was pretty cool the Internet let me easily converse with people all over the world. I think I would like to give that ability back.

that's right. Like any normal people, you do not want to hear and even see these abnormal people. And even more so that these people may see your children. I agree with you. Therefore, the U.S. and the EU have made another big mistake when they tried not only to campaign, but also to put pressure on Russia to exhibit loyalty to the LGBT community.

[vision]

Like any normal people, you do not want to hear and even see these abnormal people.

You misunderstand. I don't want to hear your bigotry. After reading about your nationalism I can't see how Russians are different than the Muslims you hate.

[Will Robinson]

I like it when the competition occupies itself with bad choices and self inflicted trouble. Go Russia!

[Tunnelcat]

Perhaps Russian attitudes and biases towards black people could explain why intelligent black people would want to avoid living in your country. They are looked down upon and thought of as lesser beings, so why would they even want to live there in the first place? If I were a black person, Russia would be the last place I'd want to move to. Same for LGBT people. Your society is so poisonous towards them, living there would be tantamount to committing social suicide. I doubt that Peter Tchaikovsky, or his brothers, or a whole host of other Russian artists, poets and leaders, would want to live there in today's Russian toxic climate.

We do not need here negros and LGBT today their manifestation. It's not creative people like Tchaikovsky , Hans Andersen or Alexander Pushkin, who was black . Tchaikovsky did not show people his deviation in the psyche . Without a doubt, it was painful to perceive the lack of understanding of his abnormal desires of society. But it is also aware of his illness, and he tried not to put it on display. As I said , many people with disabilities to sexual orientation brought a lot of benefit to all mankind. But no need to agitate traditionally oriented young people to deviations in the psyche , the use of psychotropic substances. 99.99 % of blue will never famous composers, if we will allow them to legally **** each other in the ass . You do not agree?

WOW is right! Don't you realize how many of your artists, literary minds and actors are LGBT? Russia would lose a great deal of knowledge and art and be poorer for it if your country succeeded in getting rid of all LGBT people. And speaking of black people, we've had quite a few black people who have contributed greatly to our society's knowledge and the U.S. is stronger and better for it.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h3736.html

[callmeslick]

I for one welcome the chance to hear Sigma's views. It is, to me, disappointing that he treats those people who are visibly different than him(in terms of skin tone or lifestyle) with disdain, but for me, it provides insight. Sadly, it also makes me feel less of Sigma as a man, because he allows his ignorance to color his perceptions of others. Sometimes, these forums allow an individual to expose himself in ways that do not flatter him......

[sigma]

I grew up in the Soviet Union. In the Soviet Union is no doubt that there were people with abnormal variations in sexual preferences . But normal people are concerned with understanding of their disease. I can tell you that hatred of people with different sexual orientations in Russia appeared and began to grow exponentially, just after the U.S. and the EU began to impose Russians loyalty to the LGBT community. With that in Russia without the intervention of the U.S., people have always been loyal to strange people. But aggressive lobbying interests of LGBT Americans in Russia, led to the fact that ordinary Russians began to hate not only the LGBT community, but also the United States as a whole. This is the biggest mistake the United States, as I said . Recently, for the first time in my life , the boy in the street in the center of Moscow offered me a blue sex for money . If I tell you that for me it was a shock , that is to say nothing . Conclusion: The U.S. involvement in the unscrupulous Russian national tradition is only hatred for the United States. Your politicians and journalists need to seriously think about it. Although perhaps American politicians deliberately provoke hatred Russian to Americans , and wait response from Russia . To restore the fading image of Russia as an enemy number 1 for all Americans. When there is a common enemy of the nation, people are easier to manipulate . Do you not see it?!

[Isaac]

Sigma, you are the gift the keeps on giving.

[sigma]

I do not think art works by American artists of outstanding works of art. It is painful to look at even . This is monstrous . I do not know why you think any art blue masterpieces of world art, just because their authors are blue. The American nation is going crazy in my opinion. All your thinking is limited only by the money. You pay millions of dollars at international auctions for paintings that are ashamed to hang himself in his room . While the works of these good artists you do not notice if he does not take in the mouth with his head. In addition , it is not the Russians , but the United States accused the great musician Michael Jackson in pedophilia. Likely to deprive him of his money. Where was your tolerance for creative people ? Gay people have always been the creative elite closed , but the Americans are trying to turn blue in the army 's elite simply immoral queers .

[Isaac]

Sigma, I don't want to bore you with a rant about art, but if you were interested in what I think in what's the most cutting edge art, I'll talk to you about it. And it is American.

If you think our art is not outstanding you're looking in the wrong places.

[sigma]

Probably. It will be very interesting to see the works of art of Americans who do you think deserve attention.

[vision]

He's like the Russian Pat Robertson. Maybe he grew up in the equivalent of Louisiana in Russia?

[CUDA]

LOL we are arguing over who's art work is or is not art?

have you ever heard beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

this is like arguing over which car to buy. If everyone thought the same car was beautiful we wouldn't have the need for over 100 models

[Heretic]

but the United States accused the great musician Michael Jackson in pedophilia.

Wrong it was the parents of the children who accused him.

[Isaac]

Sigma, what would happen to Russia if being gay was accepted by everyone in Russia. What problem would arise as a direct result of gay acceptance? I just want to understand why you're opposed to gays being more accepted in Russia, because there must be a direct problem you're trying to avoid, correct?

[sigma]

He's like the Russian Pat Robertson. Maybe he grew up in the equivalent of Louisiana in Russia?

I do not know who is Pat Robertson, sorry.

LOL we are arguing over who's art work is or is not art?

have you ever heard beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

this is like arguing over which car to buy. If everyone thought the same car was beautiful we wouldn't have the need for over 100 models

I love American cars of the 20th century. But the design of American cars 21 century, I do not want to comment. Although the design of some American sports cars and SUVs saoy deserves high praise. In Russia, many fans of American cars. I had to sell my American cars because of the very high fuel consumption. Now I have a jeep Korean and Czech passenger car. Kia Sorento and the Skoda Octavia.

[Isaac]

I guess you can't answer my question...

[sigma]

I guess you can't answer my question...

I believe I have already answered this question in my pregoing comments.

[Isaac]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all you said was, you didn't like gays and you didn't like gays changing Russian tradition. You never actually said what problem Russian public gay acceptance would directly cause. Name this problem.

[Top Gun]

I grew up in the Soviet Union. In the Soviet Union is no doubt that there were people with abnormal variations in sexual preferences.

People who are attracted to the same sex ARE normal, sigma. Homosexuality is a natural occurrence, it's something we can observe in dozens of different species, and we've seen that it serves a beneficial purpose in terms of natural selection. (Hell, if it was harmful from an evolutionary standpoint, it would have been selected away millions of years ago.) The reason so many people in the US are upset over Russia's treatment of the LGBT community is because you're discriminating against people based on a natural trait that they didn't choose, and which doesn't cause harm to you at all. That's just prejudice, and it's an ugly thing no matter what country you come from.

[Isaac]

topgun, I bet sigma replies to you with a "Well in Russia we see it different" reply and completely ignores my last comment.

[Tunnelcat]

sigma, do you agree that the works of Tchaikovsky are a source of great pride for Russia? How about the dancing of Rudolf Nuryev? You're condemning a subset of people you think are abnormal and should be hated, but who contributed greatly to your society. Why do Russians fear LGBT people anyway. It's not a choice, and they're not going to pervert your children, turn them gay or some such nonsense. Only about 1 to 2% in any population are identified as gay anyway. You're not surrounded in gays. And commenting on your experience, public propositions for sex and lewd conduct, from either heterosexuals or homosexuals, is not legal in our country, so why is it not in yours?

[sigma]

Sigma, what would happen to Russia if being gay was accepted by everyone in Russia. What problem would arise as a direct result of gay acceptance? I just want to understand why you're opposed to gays being more accepted in Russia, because there must be a direct problem you're trying to avoid, correct?

Listen, Isaac. I'll give you advice. If you will are in Russia, never talk on the street is that you are talking about here. At best, you are looked upon as a very mentally ill person. In the worst case, you will be severely beaten up by passers-by.

[Top Gun]

Sigma, what would happen to Russia if being gay was accepted by everyone in Russia. What problem would arise as a direct result of gay acceptance? I just want to understand why you're opposed to gays being more accepted in Russia, because there must be a direct problem you're trying to avoid, correct?

Listen, Isaac. I'll give you advice. If you will are in Russia, never talk on the street is that you are talking about here. At best, you are looked upon as a very mentally ill person. In the worst case, you will be severely beaten up by passers-by.

...you realize how godawful that makes your country look, right? Are you sure you're not in the third world?

[sigma]

Sigma, what would happen to Russia if being gay was accepted by everyone in Russia. What problem would arise as a direct result of gay acceptance? I just want to understand why you're opposed to gays being more accepted in Russia, because there must be a direct problem you're trying to avoid, correct?

Listen, Isaac. I'll give you advice. If you will are in Russia, never talk on the street is that you are talking about here. At best, you are looked upon as a very mentally ill person. In the worst case, you will be severely beaten up by passers-by.

...you realize how godawful that makes your country look, right? Are you sure you're not in the third world?

In my opinion, Americans have so much distorted view of real human values, they do not even notice a ★■◆● what they live. Come to Russia to get some fresh air. Only in Russia you can remember the true human values.

[callmeslick]

I grew up in the Soviet Union. In the Soviet Union is no doubt that there were people with abnormal variations in sexual preferences . But normal people are concerned with understanding of their disease.

it isn't a disease. They aren't ill, they are just DIFFERENT.

I can tell you that hatred of people with different sexual orientations in Russia appeared and began to grow exponentially, just after the U.S. and the EU began to impose Russians loyalty to the LGBT community.

maybe it is a translation thing, but no one asked for 'loyalty'. Civilized people do sort of expect tolerance, and that is different.

With that in Russia without the intervention of the U.S., people have always been loyal to strange people. But aggressive lobbying interests of LGBT Americans in Russia, led to the fact that ordinary Russians began to hate not only the LGBT community, but also the United States as a whole. This is the biggest mistake the United States, as I said

well, if tolerance of gay people is the biggest mistake the US has made, we're doing damned well.
.

Recently, for the first time in my life , the boy in the street in the center of Moscow offered me a blue sex for money .

avoid the blue sex......and, the brown acid.

If I tell you that for me it was a shock , that is to say nothing . Conclusion: The U.S. involvement in the unscrupulous Russian national tradition is only hatred for the United States. Your politicians and journalists need to seriously think about it. Although perhaps American politicians deliberately provoke hatred Russian to Americans , and wait response from Russia . To restore the fading image of Russia as an enemy number 1 for all Americans. When there is a common enemy of the nation, people are easier to manipulate . Do you not see it?!

no, I don't, nor do I 'see' the "we in Russia don't need negroes" thing, either. What I see is a sheltered, nationalistic person who is SCARED, and thus, repelled by, anything or anyone outside a very narrow comfort zone.