my gripes with feminism

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:37 am

in the spirit of something different on the board, i was having a discussion yesterday about women in america and i thought i'd share. it was a mixed group of male and female, all early to late 20s. all hetero, no couples.

my argument on the issue consisted of feminism being eerily similar to the KKK. of course, this got me labeled a pig and scorned by every woman in the room, and the men all sided with me (which made it worse).

but here's why i say that:

all of the feminists i've ever come in contact with were not pushing for equality. yes, i believe in equality among human beings, but what i'm seeing from feminists is not a push for equality but a push for female superiority. similar to the way the KKK pushes for white superiority. not so in the sense of lesbians hanging men for having penises as the KKK hangs people for not being white, but being of the mindset that men are whats wrong with the earth; and the marching and women's pride parades that everyone finds courageous and "extremely brave." how is it brave? how courageous can you be when you know people will not stand up to you if they think you are wrong? the KKK marches for its cause and everyone is against them. whether you like it or not, they are the brave ones.

the KKK might be a pretty extreme comparison, but i felt it was necessary to get my point across. when someone mentions the KKK, people give you that look of shock and awe, and they don't take their eyes off you.

you don't see men parading in male pride parades trying to suppress women, america would be calling for their heads. however women can march all they want with signs that say "men are pigs" and they get damned near unanimous support. they are trying to suppress men. why is that ok? if a man says "men aren't pigs, feminists are" he gets labeled a wife beater. i find something very wrong with this.

i guess what bothers me the most is that i think feminists groups are exploiting the PC phase we're in. they know they can be as politically incorrect as they want, and people will allow it and say "but they are opressed!"

i don't particularly like groups of people exploiting america's fear of pissing someone off. i'm feeling opressed by feminists but there's not a soul around marching for me.

maybe i am just a pig after all, but i think feminists are a plague on society.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:12 am

I'm marching for ya bro!

Any woman who has a problem with what you said is a Female Feminist Pig!

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:33 am

The reason the females are doing this is the same reason coloured people have their marches also. TYhey have been supressed for so long they think they have the right to publicly announce themselves for eons.

I don't mind feminism but we have to draw the line somewhere. Females have all the same perks we do cept a few which are tied to job salaries and that is because their boss is a male who lives in the past and can't accept that women (to a certain d egree) can do as good or better job than a man.

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:45 am

Didja ever notice, the more feminist the woman is, the less feminine she looks? I think they're just ashamed to be women, for whatever internal reasons.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:52 am

The old suffrage and civil rights aspect of feminism has long since taken a backseat to the agenda of the 'new feminists' who want to try and alter reality to make men more like women.

Example: remove the urinals from public bathrooms because men standing up to urinate is promoting the male mindset of dominance over the female who has to sit to pee. This has actually happened, It started in Sweden Germany and Australia. I don't know how far it's gone or how many men have all but removed their testicles and handed them over to the feminazi's but it's enough to make me puke!

The noble cause of the original feminist movement has been crapped on just like many so called 'black leaders' have crapped on the civil rights movement here in the U.S.

Birdseye · Post by **Birdseye** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:12 pm

My friend ended up at a dyke party last weekend. He was the only male along with another friend. A girl fixed him a drink when he entered, then asked for $5 to support the "tranny fest". My friend said "well, I don't have $5, and I don't know what that cause is so I can't support it" and the girl flipped out and called 3 gigantic lesbians to escort him out. My friend is a tall guy, but never starts fights and wouldn't hurt a fly. They ended up pushing him constantly until he was out the door, even though he was willing to walk out. They kept calling him an "aggressor." It was quite ironic.

I think with *some* lesbians there is a certain type that is the "butch dyke" style (I have friends like this) who are extremely masculine, but then seem like man-haters.

Personally, I view it as one lesbian that was entering the party said after my friend was escorted out and was walking to his car: "P3nis envy"

Some of these lesbians are so much like men it bothers them. It is their masculine traits that cast them out from the norms of society.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:17 pm

All right, how about all men leave the planet and settle on Mars. We'll take all the normal women and leave the feminazis. Let's see how they're doing in fifty years or so

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Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:42 pm

HAHAHA!

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:10 pm

Dunno, Top, they might become asexual

Palzon · Post by **Palzon** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:23 pm

In the same vein as what kurrupt was saying, i believe that very often feminism ceases to be a quest for equal rights and becomes a crusade for the equal right to discriminate. for the record, i am a feminist in the sense that it means the equal right to opportunity, pay, etc.

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:40 pm

i agree that feminism started out as a noble cause, but that was years ago. women have every right that men do, but that's not what my gripe is about. it's that they have the rights we have but they believe they are entitled to more, and they are using shady tactics to get what they want. not all feminists are this way, but to me it seems like the majoriy are.

it's a shame that some women are discriminated in the workplace, but they are not the only victims. sometimes it's even warranted. men generally are built physically stronger than women, and for a construction job or a warehouse job, manufacturing etc, men are better hires because the way their bodies are designed. it allows them to work harder longer before tiring out. i would hire a man over a woman for this type of job, provided that the man wasn't feminine and the woman was. there are always exceptions, but you see someones build when you interview them. if you need a guy that can lift 70 pounds repeatedly for an 8 hour shift, most women can't do that as well as men can. i had a job doing that once and i got twice as much accomplished in 8 hours as my female coworkers, but we got paid the same and they were actually treated better! they were not hired based on ability, because they just couldn't compete with us men doing the same job. who got lectured when productivity was down? the men did. i hate that. i'd have no qualms if the people they hired could do the job as well as me. but they can't. who got laid off and who didn't? bastards. we had a few feminists at the plant who constantly lobbied for things and they always got them. better locker rooms, bathrooms, equipment, uniforms, etc. we never got any of those things, because they weren't afraid of us crying about how we were treated unfairly. if we ever did, people would tell us to be a man and stop crying. it seems like i should be the one marching for equal rights.

its the same with minority leaders. they have the rights that MLK and Malcom X fought for, but they want more. alot of black people want reperation money for slavery! i never owned a slave, why should i have to pay? my great great great great great great granddad got a disease on his boat trip here and died shortly after, i want reperations! will i get them? never! so why should they? if they were actually slaves and set free last year and wanted reperations, i'd go for it. but they weren't ever slaves in their lives! its just another example of a group of people trying to get one up on everyone else knowing full well people are too afraid to stand up and say how dumb it all is! and it agitates me to no end.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:25 pm

I consider myself a feminist, in the same vein as classic feminists like Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony. I'm all for women's rights -- women being treated as equal to men, with equal pay for equal work, etc.

Unfortunately, people have hijacked the term "feminist" and created a new movement that's all about how women should oppress men, and how women should turn into men (or men should turn into women). It's what Will mentioned -- the whole "remove urinals from public bathrooms" or "women should be all hairy and gross" or "women don't need men and men don't need women" mentality. They've taken the idea of "equality" and turned it into "being exactly the same", which destroys the inherent beauty of our differences.

De Rigueur · Post by **De Rigueur** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:29 pm

kurupt wrote: its the same with minority leaders.

Hey, if you can convince enough people that you are a victim, you're on the gravy train for life. Guilt is a powerful tool of manipulation. That's what it's all about.

I agree with what others have implied: it is ironic that when these 'oppressed' groups get their status increased, the first thing they do is find some other group to oppress.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:32 pm

Testiculese wrote:Dunno, Top, they might become asexual

Hmmm...asexual feminazis. That could either solve problems or create them

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MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:35 pm

Testiculese wrote:Dunno, Top, they might become asexual

The solution is clear then! Set them up the bomb!

Seriously though, the damn feminazis need to shut the hell up. ★■◆● man, I got bitched out by one for, get this, holding the damn door open for her. (something I commonly do for women because I'm just a nice guy) She started screaming her head off about how I thought she couldn't do it herself and crap like that. I thought about letting the door go and it smack her in the face, but I let it go and walked off as everyone withing hearing range started staring at her. Guess chilvalry got the best of me.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:17 am

if they want equality, then it has to stretch to equal RESPONSIBILITY. equal ACCOUNTABILITY. but last i checked that wasn't happening. they want all of the benefits of the mans world, yet take none of the resonsibility.

Speeding tickets: a woman can get out of one by flashing some cleavage, but if a man tries to do that, he's hauled away for indecent exposure.

Work: Women can take days off for 'mental rest' or 'the vapors' (whatever the hell the vapors are, i think it's bull★■◆●) get 'flex time', 'job sharing' or 'to find herself' but can a guy do this? oh no way. he has to come in every day, work his ass off and do it again the next day for the next however years he's there for. Hey ladies, if you want equal pay, do equal work.

Thing is, most feminists love the system the way it is. that way they don't have to lift a finger to be supported by either men or the government. all they have to do is fool around with a guy for one night, 'forget' the pill, and have all of her bills paid for the next eighteen years by some poor dude who just wanted to have fun one night.

So no it's not about equality. it's about superiority. and the men in this society get f-'d because of it.

Now if urinals are going to be removed from the men's bathroom, I might take some spraypaint can and paint a women's toilet seat black.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:01 am

MD, I would have looked at her straight faced and said "You know...best of luck finding a decent man because with that type attitude and mouth of yours you'll be lucky to even find a WOMAN who wants to be with you, let alone a man. Learn to just STFU and accept a kind gesture without making a big issue out of it and making it out to be more then it is."

You know, whats sad is I bet you she is the same type of woman who then would turn around and stand and wait for her boyfriend to open the door for her, if she even has one, then btch at him for not doing it or something. I swear, most women seem to be bi-polar for some reason. The joke is true in response to the question women ask "Whatever happend to chivalry?" ... "It's dead Btch and you killed it!".

Fortunately for them it isn't dead but unfortunately for us the ones who have it women don't tend to want to date for some reason. Bi-Polar in action, go figure.

roid · Post by **roid** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:58 am

if you hold the door open for some chick, and she starts bitching at you with this feminist crap. just punch her in the face and expect her to fight you.

equal treatment

feminism is ruining boys (ie: young kids), making them feel bad for acting how their fathers act.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:20 am

Speeding tickets: a woman can get out of one by flashing some cleavage, but if a man tries to do that, he's hauled away for indecent exposure.

I suggest he lose some weight and try again.

I see the problem as modern women confusing equal rights with equal ability. Women are different than men, not better or worse, different. I think one of the most damaging things that has evolved out of this movement is the idea that a single woman can fulfill the roll of the father figure. Gender roll confusion is taking its toll on society and everyone is going to pay for it in the longrun, not just the children.
Pay close attention to television commercials, more frequently than not, they portray a scenerio where the man has completely fouled things up and the woman will come to the rescue. What I'd like to know is if this is intentional and part of some feminist agenda, or if it's just turned out to be profitable because society is naturally leaning toward different add interests.

B-

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:53 am

you know something i noticed b, its been happening like that for as long as i've been alive.

i was watching some of the simpsons dvd's i have, from the early seasons in the late 80s and early 90s, and i noticed a very disturbing pattern that i hadn't noticed before.

every show homer would do something stupid and marge would get mad. what else is new, right? thats pretty much a theme of the show. on a rare occasion though marge would do something really dumb like cheat on homer with the bowling guy, park the car on the highway bridge and block traffic for miles, etc, and it was always homer's fault. they didn't allow marge to take any responsibility for her actions. it went on the male every time, and not in a comedic way either. in a its always the man's fault kind of way.

what i'm wondering is, was it the fear of offending women that caused this or did the popular culture from a decade ago greatly fuel this recent movement? the fear of offending women seems to be newer than that dvd, so i wonder...

i don't have any other older shows on dvd so i can't use another source, but i don't remember there being so much animosity toward the male gender from the female gender; and all this "anything a man can do i can do better" grudge match mentality until pretty recently. maybe it was there before and i was too young to notice/care, but even back when i was in my late teens i was pretty aware of world events and happenings and i don't remember it being like that.

watching tv shows and movies from the past couple of years does have some instances of the female being portrayed as superioir in a relationship, but its always comedic. kind of like the married man submitting to his wife's outrageous demands because he doesn't like to sleep on the couch. i never took it as women > men, but i really got that vibe from watching this simpsons series from 10+ years ago. it seemed to me like almost intentionally degrading men. maybe some women got that vibe too from that and other things on tv at the time and they decided they liked what they saw?

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:26 am

I had a conversation with co-workers recently about this sort of thing: here is what I think about it all.

To begin: I believe in equal opportunity, not equal results, like the good Republican that I am.

I think we need to make a clear distinction between culture and political movement. Like many have said before, I totally agree with the feminist and racial equal rights political movements. They are a good thing- they (ideally) set everyone at the same level to start with, letting their individual characteristics set the standard. I totally disagree with the feminist and racial (in context of the U.S.) cultures. I think that both of these cultures set people into a mentality that actually ends up promoting reverse descrimination. I think its the culture that makes people construe personal issues into race/gender issues- leading them to believe that they are victoms, and therefore deserve compensation.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:29 am

I don't think it was evident to me until the mid-80's. I can clearly remember most commercials were either geared toward men or geared toward women back in the 70's/early 80's. They marketed the product(s) by using gender-correct traits, and by todays standards, were politically incorrect. For instance, dad working on the car and mom working in the house. If the non-targeted gender was in the commercial at all they would be in the background and only used to simulate a real-life scenerio. Television programs used traditional home-like environments, dad doing dad things and mom doing mom things.
Laugh it up, but, one of my favorite shows of all time was "leave it to Beaver". Beaver and Wally would always get into some type of trouble and the first thing that would happen was mom would get a phone call. Then she'd wait until dad got home, they'd talk it over with equal authority and then dad would go have that "talk". It really is perfect...
Mom takes care of the home affairs while dad is the bread winner.
Mom takes the phone call regarding her children misbehaving and dad admins the punushment.

Mom/dad both had equally important rolls that were different in order to make the family work as one cohesive unit.

I only wonder how different the scenerios would have played out if there were a female child in the show.
Leave it to Beaver is probably not a very good example because of the imballanced offspring(no female) and the fact that the show is significantly older then the 70's.

Actually, on second thought, you may be correct.. I remember the Flinstones and it's the same situation as the Simpson example you gave, 'cept to a lessor degree.

B-

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:18 pm

Remember how in the "E&C is Dragging Arse" thread how I said I liked topics that could actually generate a concensus? Well, I think this is a topic everyone can get behind, especially if youre a guy.

Ive grown extremely sickend by the feminazi movement. Each and every one of them is plagued by the same thing that the average elitist is plaged by: an overgrown sense of entitlement. These beeyotches think theyre entitled to a superior lifestyle just because they USED to be opressed. Well wake up, youre not opressed anymore. Youve got the same rights as anyone else, now go out there and take the responsibility that comes with it. Only the end part doesnt happen. Responsibility is not something that feminazis know how to deal with.

What has happened because of that is, as has been mentioned by about every other poster in this the tread is that a reverse discrimination is happening. The feminazis are educating the world that its ok to discriminate against guys, just as long as you trat all the girls like royalty. What we as men, and also women who TRULY believe in equality must do is somehow band together to take on the faminazi movement. I believe the stakes are high in this game. If we dont find a way to counter it, what will the world be like for us men in 80 years?

Has anyone here watched much of the show "Sliders"? If youve seen the episode called "The Weaker Sex" you'll know what I'm worried about. In that episode, the sliders land on a world where Men are strongly opressed, treated like second class citizens. It's actually quite scary on a philosiphical(sp? wtfe) level. Is that where our society could be headed now? Quite possibly. No one dares speak against the feminazi movement for fear of being called a sexist, cheuvanist pig.

And yes, this crap has made its way into television. Rarely do I see any commercials with a guy vs. girl theme where the guy "wins". 99 times out of a hundred the girl comes to the rescue of the guy, or the girl outwits the guy, or the girl just plain lays the smack down on guys. In other commercials, what happens tho? Guys are poked fun at. Voiceovers suggest that a girl needs to buy this product so she can do for the guy what the guy "cant" do. A line from the commercial for that micro-touch hair cutter thingy: "What a great way for women to keep the men in their life perfectly groomed". As if we dont know how to keep ourselves groomed. Heres an article that goes even deeper into this male-bashing-on-TV phenomenon: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14954 The site itself leans very heavily to the left, however I think this is very good reading for any guy who values his testicles.

The bottom line is that we as men need to start standing up for ourselves. Somehow we need to find some rational and publicly proveable excuse that will deflect the feminazis claim of discrimination when we finally stand up to them. And we need to start standing against the feminazis soon if we value our balls, lest they be cut off and kept in tiny jars for the feminazis amusement.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:52 pm

Women will never be equal to men until they can write their names in the snow without a stencil

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:09 pm

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kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:12 pm

awesome!

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:20 pm

Owned!!

MehYam · Post by **MehYam** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:27 pm

Wait - what are you guys talking about? Someone list the ways in which these feminists are unfair (Birdseye's story is one example, but I want to know what the hell everyone else is talking about... i.e. 1) they do... 2) they also do..., with examples).

Having never actually encountered feminism or feminists in my life, I'm not sure what the hubbub is about.

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:08 pm

one example i ran into alot in the workplace:

job: lift 70~ pound boxes/bins/crates from a cart on an order picker machine and place them on a shelf suspended in the air from anywhere between 3 and 40 feet. 8 hours of it is tiring, and sometimes items would be more than 150 pounds. normally we would use a forklift but sometimes due to the size and space available it had to be put away by hand.

scenario: one of my feminist coworkers struggling with a plastic bin full of chains, weighing about 120 pounds. she's up in the air on the 4th level, about 28 feet in the air. theres about a foot and a half in between the shelving and the machine she was standing on, and she's got one leg on the machine and one on the shelf with the bin full of chains in her right side. she's trying to pick it up and twist her torso and set it down on the shelf. she's got 8 of these bins to do. hello, can we say back surgery? clearly, this is rediculously dumb, so i drive my machine over to help her out, becuase if i had this task a helping hand would be really sweet. so i raise my machine up next to hers and offer to jump over to the shelf and give her a hand. what do i get? a look of "die!!" and a response of "just because you were born with bigger muscles than me does not mean you are better than me!" speechless, i just left and went about my own work. it wasn't just things like that though. another example of a nice and simple friendly deed, is i was standing next to the microwave at lunch, and another of my feminist coworkers was sitting about 15 feet away eating a burrito. i was waiting for my food to finish heating up and in my line of sight i see her struggling with the burrito, as you do. so since there were napkins all over the counter where i was at, and i was going that way anyway, i grabbed her some and offered them. again, instead of a simple thanks i get "i'm a strong and independent woman and do not need a man's help" and at that point i stopped listening.

now, the unfair part comes in to play. i would get what they would call an incident for this, because i was being condescending or i was degrading or wasn't respecting them or blah blah blah. they would actually tell on me for trying to help and twist it into me being a chauvenist pig.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:49 pm

1. They want equal treatment in places such as the military but are required to perform under a different set of guidelines. Perhaps not the doing of the individual, but unfair nonetheless.

2. They support a womans right to chose, but refuse to acknowledge that the potential child also belongs to the father.

3. Securing a traditional man's job, they get the same pay for often times less work.

4. It is funny/acceptable to laugh at the natural shortcomings of men but discriminatory to make fun of thier shortcomings.

5. The Kobe Bryant case. 'Nuff said.

[edit] How about the men that have 50% custody and have to pay child support?

I think you're confusing the concern for the toll it's taking on society, namely the family, for men complaining of bias. That's what I'm complaining about, anyway.

B-

MehYam · Post by **MehYam** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:00 pm

kurupt wrote:...what do i get? a look of "die!!" and a response of "just because you were born with bigger muscles than me does not mean you are better than me!"

...instead of a simple thanks i get "i'm a strong and independent woman and do not need a man's help"

Dunno what to say, that's weird. Sounds like it has more to do with a couple unpleasant individuals than it does feminism.

MehYam · Post by **MehYam** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:11 pm

Fusion pimp wrote:1. They want equal treatment in places such as the military but are required to perform under a different set of guidelines. Perhaps not the doing of the individual, but unfair nonetheless.

2. They support a womans right to chose, but refuse to acknowledge that the potential child also belongs to the father.

3. Securing a traditional man's job, they get the same pay for often times less work.

4. It is funny/acceptable to laugh at the natural shortcomings of men but discriminatory to make fun of thier shortcomings.

Again, these sound like isolated or extreme cases, I'm not sure you can brand feminism as being a problem because of a few side effects.

NRA has paranoid militants. Christian sects have racist fringe elements. Pacifists include some people who would stand by while all those around them are slaughtered. But none of those facts necessarily reflect badly on the organizations/movements themselves. Point: the 'us vs. them' tone I hear in this thread is unrealistic, and doesn't leave much in the way of gray area - the real stuff.

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:37 pm

i dunno dude, its the same response i get from all o those female power! types. theres a huge group of them at the warehouse, 9 of them, all throughout the night all they do is yap about men and how they don't have any problems because their husbands know who the boss is. it seems to be the general behavior of a feminst.

ive been scorned for opening a door, helping pick up spilt groceries, picking up a dropped notebook at school, tons of things. most women and actually most people in general will thank you and be on there way, but you can always tell the feminists by their i dont need you attitude. its like they are on a crusade for all women, even the ones who don't want their "help."

i'd like to see people's reaction it i went on a tongue ring crusade. employers tell you to take it out, "upstanding people" scoff at them as slutty, but maybe if i cried and held up a sign while i marched that said "tongues have rights too!" people would freak out and pierce their tongues too to show they aren't prejudice. heh.

and mehyam, you must not have ever met a feminist. they are like the kkk, but instead of it being about white people its about womanhood. no joke. there have been groups that have totally ruined men's lives because their wife wasn't happy in the bedroom, and they wanted to prove a point. it isn't about equality anymore, its about milking the movement to get ahead. i for one am sick of people milking ★■◆● to get one up.

roid · Post by **roid** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:08 pm

the points about how it's perveyed in the media and advertisements: i have not thought about that before, but now that i think about it, your DEAD RIGHT! (simpsons, OOOOh yeah)

so many ads that i see have a woman being a total ★■◆● to her boyfriend, ie: stealing his food, or whatever.
and then she just smiles this evil smile, she is portrayed in a power position over her man, and the guy is just supposed to just accept it?

grarrgh, those ads make me furious!

in ads, the only "yay i'm a guy" image that's ever portrayed (in male targeted ads) is hooliganism, where the image is that women are just supposed to accept that men are nothing more than children.

kindof saying "boys just wanna have fun". perhaps completely forgetting the original song lyrics said "girls just wanna have fun".

*sigh* but it's hard to point fingers when you are talking about carefully psychoscripted advertisements. they KNOW howto appeal to our subconscious images toward the sexes (currently quite feminist).
you know, kinda like how they KNOW that you will find a show funny if you hear other ppl laughing, so they put in a laugh track.

they just go with what works, and hope that ppl don't cotton on.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:14 pm

Of course, Mehyam, there does still exist a legitimate feminist movement of people who are like... old-school feminists (see, for example, my post.) The problem is that feminism has been hijacked by women who basically want to reverse gender roles from the worst parts of history -- to make women into the "boss" and men into the ones who don't know what's best for them and can't make adult decisions.

Interesting article I just happened to be linked to from another site today: The Pussification Of The Western Male. It's a little bit crude and a bit political, but mostly right on.

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:40 pm

Excellent article, Lothar.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:46 am

"Now, men are given Ritalin as little boys, so that their natural aggressiveness, curiosity and restlessness can be controlled, instead of nurtured and directed."

holy ★■◆●, bang on!

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:54 am

Again, these sound like isolated or extreme cases, I'm not sure you can brand feminism as being a problem because of a few side effects.

Those 'side effects' are not trivial effects.
I will agree that my example of women in the military and in a traditionally male job might be isolated cases, but the other three are not isolated at all.
Turn on your television and watch the adds portraying men as idiots and women coming to the rescue. Better yet, turn on a prime-time show and watch the message.. men =idiots.. women= all things.
I hardly think that giving the women the right to chose but men have not having any say is an extreme case. Men can't excercise the right to chose because they have no right to chose.

But none of those facts necessarily reflect badly on the organizations/movements themselves.

The movement started innocently(afaik) but has progressed from equal rights to equal ability. All the complaining, protesting and fighting will not make us physically or mentally equal. I don't understand why being different is looked down upon by the feminist movement. We would have been fine if they stopped at equal rights but that's not good enough, they push a superiority agenda and if you don't agree with them you're a chauvinist.

It's the same thing with rascism, using past wrongs to slingshot themselves and administer a guilt trip.

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Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:59 am

B, actually it's 'women = alpha and omega'

If it was legal, I'd punch a femenazi in the gut. the ★■◆● needs to be dropped like a sack of potatoes.

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:17 am

one thing i haven't bitched about yet is children and how they are affected. how has it gotten to the point where if you get a divorce these days, it is all your fault as a man by default and the women will have to be a serial killer not to win a custody battle if she choses to start one? in every case of every sort involving a man a woman and a child, the father gets the shaft. if a woman wants an abortion, what can a man do? nothing. he cant stop her if she really wants it done. thats 9 months where he would have to be with her absolutely 100% of the time, and never fall asleep.

also with marriage, its pretty much a given that a woman gets at the very least half of everything, no matter what she did to mess up the marriage. however what a man did greatly effects what he retains. she can be an adulterous drug addict and she'll get half, and if she abuses her husband people just laugh at the pussy who let his woman beat him up. but it does happen quite a bit. now let a man hit his wife and see if he gets anything. i'm not condoning any of that, but why is it not equal? more often than not the man is the one who made the money, and he still loses it.

i could right 10 more pages about how fathers have no rights. ugh.