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Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:55 pm

Evan Sayet lays out understanding the mindset behind 'progressive' thought and the modern 'liberal.'

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:00 pm

Evan Sayet is a loyal employee of Heritage, a FAR, FAR Right group.......how the heck could he even START to understand moderates, let alone liberals?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:54 pm

If you're intelligent, don't read this thread.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:02 pm

Yes, because there are already two huge mistakes…

1. Some dufis at the Heritage Foundation, trying to define liberalism.
2. Slicks way off base definition of “Far Far Right”.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:05 pm

Spidey, you DON'T view the current incarnation of Heritage(under James DeMint) far, far, right? Heaven help us if that isn't accurate, because to get much more right wing you'd have to emerge on the other side of the spectrum altogether.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:08 pm

Christ slick, just one “far” puts you into Nazi territory.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:15 pm

Spidey wrote:Christ slick, just one “far” puts you into Nazi territory.

I wasn't going to go there, Spidey, but on my scale, far, far, far makes you come out the other side as Trotsky-esque.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:19 pm

Well, if we go by your scale…

Everyone right of you is an extremist.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:37 pm

no, but Jim DeMint IS.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:11 pm

Top Gun wrote:
If you're intelligent, don't read this thread.

I guess you're not intelligent by your own admission.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:12 pm

callmeslick wrote:no, but Jim DeMint IS.

Maybe you could actually watch the video in the link and see for yourself. (After all, it can't do you much harm can it?)

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:53 pm

ThunderBunny wrote:
Top Gun wrote:
If you're intelligent, don't read this thread.
I guess you're not intelligent by your own admission.

I don't read things, I just mash my face on the keyboard at random and see what comes out.

ThunderBunny wrote: Maybe you could actually watch the video in the link and see for yourself. (After all, it can't do you much harm can it?)

I think it could hurt your eyes at the very least...that is an abysmal encoding job.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:28 pm

slick, how about cite some policy advocated by Heritage that proves they are far right?
They have been around for a long time, and have always been conservative, it seems like you could come up with examples of how they have changed under DeMint...or even how they have always been far right if that is your take on it.
Instead of back and forth pointing at each other saying 'You are far right (or left)' why don't you show us what you find to be far right under Heritage leadership so we can judge for ourselves if we think you are correct.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:40 am

Will Robinson wrote:slick, how about cite some policy advocated by Heritage that proves they are far right?

closing down the government just to block ACA, tax rollbacks coupled with food stamp cuts, I could go on for a while......

They have been around for a long time, and have always been conservative, it seems like you could come up with examples of how they have changed under DeMint...or even how they have always been far right if that is your take on it.

I've always viewed them a both a sensible conservative group, and an intellectual one, up until the past 5 years, when they took a SHARP turn to the stupid, ideologically rigid, unthinking side of things. That such timing coincided with a black guy getting electing might be mere chance, but I suspect not.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:54 am

callmeslick wrote:
Will Robinson wrote:slick, how about cite some policy advocated by Heritage that proves they are far right?
closing down the government just to block ACA, tax rollbacks coupled with food stamp cuts, I could go on for a while....

How about, instead of going on, you clarify your characterization of what they did! I don't believe they wanted to "close down the government" to block ACA.
I don't know what their position was exactly but I bet you will find it was something more like wanting to refuse to fund the ACA but fund everything else thus forcing the Dems to either stop funding most of the government to avoid the selectively unfunding the ACA.

And what tax rollbacks? And are they really evidence of being "far right"? Were there democrats in favor of those rollbacks? Are those Democrats far right also?

I think you are showing your partisan hyperbolic knee jerk reaction where anyone who opposes your Party is to be painted with the worst possible characterization, even if your own Party uses the very same tactics when it suits them! Life is tough, politics is tougher, get a helmet and stop whining...

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:37 am

Will Robinson wrote:slick, how about cite some policy advocated by Heritage that proves they are far right?
They have been around for a long time, and have always been conservative, it seems like you could come up with examples of how they have changed under DeMint...or even how they have always been far right if that is your take on it.
Instead of back and forth pointing at each other saying 'You are far right (or left)' why don't you show us what you find to be far right under Heritage leadership so we can judge for ourselves if we think you are correct.

You know Will, you're always harping about those insiders in Washington and how we should be voting the scumbags out. How about those retired scumbags like DeMint who know all the inside workings of the government because they were in Congress for years, who then go out and join huge lobbying groups to influence Congress once they leave? I'm referring to both parties by the way, not just the Republicans. There needs to be a law that says if you've served in Congress, you can't go and a work for institutions that lobby Congress once you leave. Retire means retire from all things you did in your former job, like influence government policy.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:43 am

Will Robinson wrote:
callmeslick wrote:
Will Robinson wrote:slick, how about cite some policy advocated by Heritage that proves they are far right?
closing down the government just to block ACA, tax rollbacks coupled with food stamp cuts, I could go on for a while....
How about, instead of going on, you clarify your characterization of what they did! I don't believe they wanted to "close down the government" to block ACA.

those were the exact words of their July policy paper: "Stop the ACA immediately".

And what tax rollbacks? And are they really evidence of being "far right"? Were there democrats in favor of those rollbacks? Are those Democrats far right also?

not any Dems that I am aware of are advocating both lower taxes AND a cutback in food assistance.

I think you are showing your partisan hyperbolic knee jerk reaction where anyone who opposes your Party is to be painted with the worst possible characterization, even if your own Party uses the very same tactics when it suits them! Life is tough, politics is tougher, get a helmet and stop whining...

sorry, but you are showing that you can dance like Fred Astaire around blatant truth. The facts are that Heritage has moved from a 'think-tank' which supports research on policy positions to an ideological sledgehammer, lobbying from absolutes. And, those absolutes are extremist right wing absolutes. That something so well documented is something you are denial of is puzzling, but I suppose, not shocking.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:58 am

callmeslick wrote:
Will Robinson wrote:
callmeslick wrote:
Will Robinson wrote:slick, how about cite some policy advocated by Heritage that proves they are far right?
closing down the government just to block ACA, tax rollbacks coupled with food stamp cuts, I could go on for a while....
How about, instead of going on, you clarify your characterization of what they did! I don't believe they wanted to "close down the government" to block ACA.
those were the exact words of their July policy paper: "Stop the ACA immediately".

"Exact"? Hardly! There is no mention of 'Lets shut down the government'...
So they advocate for a policy other than letting ACA continue. They never stated, as you attributed to them, they would shut the government down to stop it.

to you it is extreme far right to oppose the left. When you oppose the right it is just sound policy. Guess what? That sword you are swinging cuts both ways.

callmeslick wrote:...The facts are that Heritage has moved from a 'think-tank' which supports research on policy positions to an ideological sledgehammer, lobbying from absolutes. And, those absolutes are extremist right wing absolutes. That something so well documented is something you are denial of is puzzling, but I suppose, not shocking.

"Well documented" or loudly professed with indignation by slick?!? I realize in your mind they are one and the same but many of us appreciate the difference!
I asked for the documentation but all I got was your spin and whinging.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:02 pm

tunnelcat wrote:
Will Robinson wrote:slick, how about cite some policy advocated by Heritage that proves they are far right?
They have been around for a long time, and have always been conservative, it seems like you could come up with examples of how they have changed under DeMint...or even how they have always been far right if that is your take on it.
Instead of back and forth pointing at each other saying 'You are far right (or left)' why don't you show us what you find to be far right under Heritage leadership so we can judge for ourselves if we think you are correct.
You know Will, you're always harping about those insiders in Washington and how we should be voting the scumbags out. How about those retired scumbags like DeMint who know all the inside workings of the government because they were in Congress for years, who then go out and join huge lobbying groups to influence Congress once they leave? I'm referring to both parties by the way, not just the Republicans. There needs to be a law that says if you've served in Congress, you can't go and a work for institutions that lobby Congress once you leave. Retire means retire from all things you did in your former job, like influence government policy.

My feelings are consistent. I don't believe any group like Heritage should be able to contribute in any way to a campaign. No lobbiests should be allowed to approach an official during his term in office and offer anything other than their opinion as a citizen!

But as long as they are there I'll point out slick is too sensitive on one side of his attention span...

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:02 pm

I'm consistent, too, Will. Extremists turn me off, from either side.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:27 pm

callmeslick wrote:I'm consistent, too, Will. Extremists turn me off, from either side.

Like you and your initial post about the Sandy Hook shootings? How you jumped right in on gun control and never a word of sympathy for the victims. You are the epitome of a far left reactionary.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:25 pm

woodchip wrote:
callmeslick wrote:I'm consistent, too, Will. Extremists turn me off, from either side.
Like you and your initial post about the Sandy Hook shootings? How you jumped right in on gun control and never a word of sympathy for the victims. You are the epitome of a far left reactionary.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:18 pm

callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:
callmeslick wrote:I'm consistent, too, Will. Extremists turn me off, from either side.
Like you and your initial post about the Sandy Hook shootings? How you jumped right in on gun control and never a word of sympathy for the victims. You are the epitome of a far left reactionary.

Oh I'm sorry...I didn't put enough fars on. So you are "A far, far, far left reactionary".

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:53 pm

The sad thing is that this is how Woody actually sees the world.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:43 am

I find it less sad than utterly hilarious.

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