Are there yet

[snoopy]

Is there any on-topic discussion left here, or has this thread "left the building" entirely?

It's gone.

[Will Robinson]

Is there any on-topic discussion left here, or has this thread "left the building" entirely?

I don't know. It seems the original point is being derailed simply due to the quote that highlighted it being attributed to the wrong source.

[Z..]

Original point was derailed because it was a false quote posted by someone that lacked the mental competence to check it in even the slightest degree. I say close the post because a good thing has already come out of it, Heretic said he wouldn't be here anymore. So win for everyone.

still curious why vision's comments were deleted but others were allowed to call him a schmuck. moderators?

[Spidey]

Well if Heretic is going to be called out as incompetent, then Grendel must also be called out as same…because he was the one who made the Mein Kampf comment, to a quote that only said Hitler.

In fact it’s known that the quote is not from Mein Kampf, but could actually still be Hitler’s

I’m willing to bet anything, he searched the quote and also came up with the hundreds of sites attributing the quote to Mein Kampf.

So why does he get the pass?

[Z..]

No one gets a "pass", but I'd say the onus is on the creator of the thread. He figured he had some landmark quote that was going to wow everybody and he failed.

Could be Hitler's, could be George Washington's, could be anybody's. It's a pretty good quote, but that wasn't even the point. The invalid was trying to make an Obama / Hitler comparison and he got crushed. Screw him for comparing a US President to a killer of millions. Got what he deserved. I'm sure there's a pokemon board somewhere that's better suited for him.

[Spidey]

Well, I thought he was commenting on our government in general, but you could be right.

Refer to the 6th post in this thread…that stuff is pretty much a collection from many administrations, state & federal.

In fact the only time he even mentions a party is when he responds to tc’s typical “Republicans are evil, but the Democrats let them be” shtick.

[Z..]

He's posted enough on here to get the gist of where he was going with it. Sort of like in 2009 when a lot of people were saying they "wanted their country back"...it wasn't stated but it was pretty clear that their country wasn't gone, they just wanted it back from the black guy in office.

Beats me man, I'm just happy to see whoever that was leave.

[flip]

I'm not sure I remember him doing that at all, comparing Obama/Hitler. Seemed to me he was talking about everything as a whole and how things now continually head that way. Maybe you havnt' shook your 2008 programming yet?

[vision]

Maybe you havnt' shook your 2008 programming yet?

Yeah, because anyone who thought Obama would be a good president must have been "programmed." He was elected then re-elected. It's 2014. Get over it. He's not even a remarkable president. He's incredibly average, except for that whole skin color thing that seems to bother so many people.

[flip]

Seems you are susceptible too? My comment is purely logical when "Z" comes out of left field with a Hitler/Obama comparison which existed nowhere in this thread until He said it, well, and you now.

[Will Robinson]

The original post, and it's intended topic, is quite obvious from the title. He asks 'if you think we are there yet?'

That has nothing to do with hitler. The quote, albeit attributed to the wrong source, is still a valid illustration of the strategy to erode a people's freedoms. Thus the question asked...the original point...is alive and well. Except for the attempts by some to derail the conversation by getting everyone to focus on the mis attribution of the quote.

Typical tactic from a predictable group.

[Jeff250]

The Hitler attribution was important for the quote because the claim of the quote wasn't just that our rights are being eroded over time but that this is the willful intent of someone in order to take control of us.

I think that over time our rights have been curtailed in some important ways. (I also think that they have been expanded in others.) I don't think it's part of any supervillian plot to take control of us though. Rather, I think the curtailment of our rights reflects the will of the majority of the American people and certain of their desires (such as to feel safe) more than we like to think.

[callmeslick]

I agree with Jeff, completely. I also never read the thrust of this thread as implying this erosion or tempering of rights as an Obama thing at all. Lord knows, I have railed against a lot of posts here that do make such silly implications, but this didn't strike me as one of them. Of course, in a matter of a page or less, that could have easily changed.

[woodchip]

Naturally vision's comments are removed by the moderators but woodchip is allowed to call vision a schmuck. Good to see nothing has changed here.

My burn was hilarious and done with amazing style. I mean seriously, can someone top that? I've never seen that level of wit in this forum.

Thank the Lord your amazing wit was stricken from the forums. Keep the trolls coming as they give your personna a whole new perspective.

[vision]

Naturally vision's comments are removed by the moderators but woodchip is allowed to call vision a schmuck. Good to see nothing has changed here.

My burn was hilarious and done with amazing style. I mean seriously, can someone top that? I've never seen that level of wit in this forum.

Thank the Lord your amazing wit was stricken from the forums. Keep the trolls coming as they give your personna a whole new perspective.

Someone post an obviously* fake quote from the Internet. I post a ridiculously unbelievable fake quote by the OP. That's comedy gold there.


*obvious to skeptics.

[Spidey]

Author unknown is not the same thing as “fake quote”.

What you did was create a “fake quote” what Heretic did was misquote. (perhaps, because there is no evidence Hitler didn’t say it)

[vision]

Author unknown is not the same thing as “fake quote”.

What you did was create a “fake quote” what Heretic did was misquote. (perhaps, because there is no evidence Hitler didn’t say it)

I think you are saying a few things. I don't think this falls under "unknown author." We usually reserve that label for popular quotes or idioms that become part of culture. And to misquote is simply quoting someone incorrectly, with incomplete or wrong wording. There is no evidence Hitler said anything like this, ever. It's not even that we can attribute the quote to anyone else. Every single reference I've seen said Hitler. The problem here is, when you provide a quote you must also cite a source. No source exists. The quote is fake. Rubbish. Completely made up.

[flip]

But is it truth?

[CUDA]

There is no evidence Hitler said anything like this, ever.

It's not even that we can attribute the quote to anyone else. Every single reference I've seen said Hitler.

thats some serious double talk.

[vision]

There is no evidence Hitler said anything like this, ever.

It's not even that we can attribute the quote to anyone else. Every single reference I've seen said Hitler.

thats some serious double talk.

You seem to have glossed over the word "evidence." Just because every reference on the Internet says it is a Hitler quote does not make it true. Argumentum ad populum. Where is the source?

[woodchip]

Just because "YOU" say it is not true does not make it so. What are your sources.

[CUDA]

There is no evidence Hitler said anything like this, ever.

It's not even that we can attribute the quote to anyone else. Every single reference I've seen said Hitler.

thats some serious double talk.

You seem to have glossed over the word "evidence." Just because every reference on the Internet says it is a Hitler quote does not make it true. Argumentum ad populum. Where is the source?

SURE THERE IS.

there my not be any hard evidence. But there is a ton of circumstantial evidence.

[Spidey]

The problem here is, you would have to parse the text of everything ever said or written down, and any slight mistake in the text, could cause the parsing algorithm to fail.

Where’s the source, sure that’s a very good question, and deserves skepticism, but is anyone willing to do the work to find it, and is it a guarantee it could be found…and if it can’t be found, what does that really prove?

It certainly wouldn’t prove it was made up.

The only fact that can be determined here is…it didn’t come from Mein Kampf.

On a side note…it sounds more like something a commie would have said, than a Nazi.

[vision]

Just because "YOU" say it is not true does not make it so. What are your sources.

The lack of a source makes it highly likely to be untrue. Want to prove me wrong? Find out where Hitler actually said that quote and I'll concede defeat.

there my not be any hard evidence. But there is a ton of circumstantial evidence.

I think you might be confused about what circumstantial evidence is, or corroborating evidence. But there is no evidence at all. That is the point. It's just a unattributed quote flying around the Internet. If I used image editing software to create a picture of Hitler at a dining table with a dead baby on a plate, and that picture became widely circulated, would that be evidence, in any form, that Hitler was a cannibal who enjoyed eating babies? Certainly not.

Where’s the source, sure that’s a very good question, and deserves skepticism, but is anyone willing to do the work to find it, and is it a guarantee it could be found…and if it can’t be found, what does that really prove?

It proves exactly what I'm saying: It is not to be believed until Heretic or anyone else can find a source. This is a 20th Century man who is one of the most famous in history. It's not like every inch of his life hasn't been scrutinized over the last 70 years.

See burden of proof.

[CUDA]

Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact

I think you are confusing factual evidence with inference evidence. They are not the same thing.

fact is indisputable proof.
Circumstantial evidence is not factual proof.

there is enough circumstantial evidence to link the quote to him. It does not however PROVE that he said it first, or even said it at all.

[Ferno]

That doesn't matter cuda. What does matter is if there is no irrefutable evidence (as shown by historical records), it doesn't matter how much circumstantial (IE: anecdotal evidence) is out there.

If you cannot prove a quote beyond a reasonable doubt, it becomes null and void.

I'm probably talking to a ★■◆●ing retard who couldn't think his way out of a hole in the ground, but why the hell not. BTW, Hi Ferno! Like the addition? -- Krom

[vision]

Exactly Ferno. Think about why quotes are used in the first place. They add weight to an argument precisely because of who said it -- especially in political theater. Of course, you can use an anonymous quote, but those hold less weight. Yes, early on some of you said it didn't matter who said the quote because the topic was good for discussion. Unfortunately heretic screwed it up by attaching Hitler's name to it. Because Hitler is a popular demon the quote instantly changes it's color. Want to have another discussion about our eroding liberties? More power to you! All you need to say is "hay guise i think r liberty is bein erroddedd, what u think?" You don't even need demons to launch the conversation. In fact, it would have gone much better.

[Spidey]

Other than the obvious hayseed slur, I have to agree.

Was my first thought that the quote should have been marked anonymous.

[Ferno]

Exactly Ferno. Think about why quotes are used in the first place. They add weight to an argument precisely because of who said it -- especially in political theater. Of course, you can use an anonymous quote, but those hold less weight. Yes, early on some of you said it didn't matter who said the quote because the topic was good for discussion. Unfortunately heretic screwed it up by attaching Hitler's name to it. Because Hitler is a popular demon the quote instantly changes it's color. Want to have another discussion about our eroding liberties? More power to you! All you need to say is "hay guise i think r liberty is bein erroddedd, what u think?" You don't even need demons to launch the conversation. In fact, it would have gone much better.

speaking of quoting sources, I wonder what the effect would have been if it was attached to Stalin, or Mao.

[woodchip]

That doesn't matter cuda. What does matter is if there is no irrefutable evidence (as shown by historical records), it doesn't matter how much circumstantial (IE: anecdotal evidence) is out there.

If you cannot prove a quote beyond a reasonable doubt, it becomes null and void.

Is that like Sarah Palin saying "I can see Russia from my house!"

I'm probably talking to a ★■◆●ing retard who couldn't think his way out of a hole in the ground, but why the hell not. BTW, Hi Ferno! Like the addition? -- Krom

WTF, why can I see this when I quote you?

[Ferno]

Is that like Sarah Palin saying "I can see Russia from my house!"

no.

WTF, why can I see this when I quote you?

I dunno, you tell me.

[Krom]

BTW, Hi Ferno! Like the addition? -- Krom

I'm so banning your sorry ass...

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