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Guys, on which machines we ride today? Or someone prefers other vehicles? If possible, photos will be particularly interesting :D
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Bike = Cheaper, faster over any distance through town in morning and evening rush hour. But it is slightly damper in the rain.
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City bus. Yeah it takes 1 hour each way but saves me tons on gas and wear/tear on car.
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Bus, 'cuz you don't need to go through Drivers' Ed to ride one. :lol:
Plus I calculated the costs of driving for a month vs the costs of bussing and the bus was cheaper.
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I'm 22KMs from work one way. I have a fuel efficient car but it would cost me more than $98 for gas in a month and also the wear and tear. I get to read books or watch movies/tv shows while travelling.

I've been taking buses my entire life and I don't mind.
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I see more and more people in Moscow who travel around the city on scooters. ]

This is also a scooter, right?
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But since I have since childhood to drive cars, I am very unlikely to be able to exchange the car for public transport. When I have to ride the bus at the time, as my car is in the service station, I am feeling quite naked :)
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I haven't taken a personal picture of my 2011 FJ Cruiser rig yet, but here's a generic picture what it looks like. I was finally able to scrounge up enough money for it a couple of years ago. It's really fun in the snow. :)

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This is a rare car. Well, I can tell you that if you ride on FJ Cruiser in Russia, everyone will think that you or a successful businessman, or a representative of the rich "golden youth" :)
By the way, you know that in Russia, American jeeps and sports cars are considered a sign of luxury and success, and they are more prestigious than a BMW or Mercedes? Because BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, etc. in Moscow, for example, so much that these cars are even no one pays attention.
P.S. By the way, how many now cost gasoline and diesel fuel in the U.S.?
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If I understand correctly, the creation of the club motorists descenters not threatened. descenters prefer to choose alternative transport. Despite the fact that every day I can choose one of 10 cars on which I want to ride today, nevertheless, I like sometimes to ride a bike, rollerblading and bus.
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sigma wrote:This is a rare car. Well, I can tell you that if you ride on FJ Cruiser in Russia, everyone will think that you or a successful businessman, or a representative of the rich "golden youth" :)
By the way, you know that in Russia, American jeeps and sports cars are considered a sign of luxury and success, and they are more prestigious than a BMW or Mercedes? Because BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, etc. in Moscow, for example, so much that these cars are even no one pays attention.
P.S. By the way, how many now cost gasoline and diesel fuel in the U.S.?
Actually, it didn't cost me too much. I know the dealer as a friend and he gave me a good price and a decent trade-in deal for my old Jeep Wrangler. Neither my old Jeep, nor the FJ, is not a sign of success here either. They are a dime a dozen around here. Most people keep their 4WD's for a long time and heavily modify them. My Jeep was 26 years old and the repair costs were starting to get pretty high to maintain it, and since I also do all my own repairs, I was getting tired of working on it all the time to keep it up and running. Plus some parts were getting hard to come by. I came into some money from a family inheritance and decided the time was right for a new 4WD. I also hated the looks of the new Jeep Wranglers. They look kind of like a cross between a Hummer and a shoe box, too squared off, so I sprung for the FJ, which is quirkier looking with better reliability. Now, if I had a Ferrari, Bentley or even a Tesla, THAT'S a lot of money, six figures at least. Too rich for my blood.

As for gas prices, I typically buy non-ethanol Premium, which is around $4.36 a gallon right now. Ouch! I could spring for the ethanol blend at $3.65 a gallon, but I tend to get better mileage and less engine issues on the non-ethanol stuff. I also HATE to support the corn lobby. :wink: Plus, I had to buy it for my old Jeep. It wasn't made to run on the ethanol blend at all.
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I have a 2008 Dodge 5.7 hemi pick-up 4 x 4 with a 6 speed manual. When I bought it Chrysler was desperate for sales so It came with a life time power train warranty. Guess I'll be keeping it for awhile (my last one had 250k miles on it).
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Well, the real American cars therefore and are a luxury item in Russia that most American cars are not officially available on the Russian market, and moreover, operation and maintenance of these vehicles is very expensive. So ride on these vehicles can afford or real fans of American cars, or very rich people. For example, my friend who holds a good position in the bank, sold six months later Chevrolet Suburban only because of the very high fuel consumption.
The price of gasoline in the United States and Russia is about the same. And it always amazes me, given that Russia is an oil country...
Well, If you look at satellite images in Google Earth one of the cottages, located not far from Moscow, you can see the car park where there are two army jeep UAZ, two GAZ "Volga", Renault Trafic, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Santa Fe, Isuzu Rodeo and Toyota Land Cruiser, although still often I ride a Kia Sorento.
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Well sigma, I guess you need to be part of THIS class in Russia. Your Oligarchs sure outclass ours when it comes to obeying the rules of the road, rules that are supposed to be for everyone to follow. They get the Blue Light Special treatment. :wink:
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It is not, unfortunately. People, you are talking about, much, much richer :lol: By Russian standards, I belong to the class of consistency lower than the middle class (by Moscow standards, at least).
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That's what Russia needs, a bigger middle class and less of the new Oligarchy. Doesn't that special treatment the Oligarchs get in everyday life create resentment from the lower classes in Russia? After all, your country was once a socialist nation.
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Dissatisfaction of the people their power and stratification of society is nothing compared with the dissatisfaction of the people in the U.S. actions against Russia. I never tire of insolence and arrogance struck by the statements and actions of the West. American politicians must be a complete idiots if they do not understand that the more they exhibit aggression against Russia, the more rallying Russian people as a nation, and the authority of Putin's among the people will grow in direct proportion to the increasing hostility of U.S. and NATO.
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I agree with Sigma. The fact I can walk into a grocery store, buy a revolver, and walk out with it is too oppressive! And the fact I have to pay $45 a month for unlimited talk, text, and data is horrible. I have to pay 8.25% sales tax on prepared food or merchandise, instead of paying and filing a state income tax form, is insane. Hate that tax or not, why do I have the option to move to a state with a different tax system and gun laws! I'm so.. DISSATISFIED!

Sigma is totally correct! WHY am I allowed to open carry any long gun (rifle or shotgun) without a permit? This is too much oppression!

In mother russia, you just have to join military and you get free guns and walkie talkie! Not payings for anything. So much freedom. Just join military. Only in Russia can you know of such freedom. Americans cannot even comprehend

Am I right, komrade Sigma? These Amerikans need to learn to breath fresh air of Russian freedom.

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back on topic, I'm currently driving a ford escort. Nothing fancy. I'd like to make it a fancy ford escort though, with mud tires.
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I will reveal to you a huge secret. Generally the expression "Mother Russia" can only use Russians. That is, her sons. Maybe your ancestors were Russian? When Americans use the expression "Mother Russia", It's like I'm going to call the U.S. "My dad Uncle Sam" :lol: Just for your information :)
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sigma wrote: It's like I'm going to call the U.S. "My dad Uncle Sam"

He is. America is your country too. Basically, you get to pick which state fits your political views best and move to that one. If you like communistic, totalitarian style, states, with draconian gun laws, move to Commiefornia, New York, or Massachusetts.

Let me give you an example: You can move to Japan and never be seen as "Japanese". I can move to Russia and never be seen as "Russian". I can move to Italy and never be seen as "Italian". Move to America with a heavy accent, you can be instantly viewed as "American". That's one of its greatest qualities and can't replicated by any other country. Except for Australia, but you have to learn how to ride a kangaroo, since they don't use cars: fact.
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I agree with you. America is a haven for people who want to be free from political regimes in their countries. This is both a great advantage the U.S., and also a big drawback. In the Russian people - a nation, like a big family. While the United States as a nation is just the population. In Russia, we can not say that I'm tearing a contract with the armed forces, because I wanted to work, and not die. In Russia it is a betrayal of the Motherland, your relatives, friends, betrayal of the great Russian history. Russian people would die for their country than allow tarnish his honor in the eyes of the people.
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sigma wrote:Dissatisfaction of the people their power and stratification of society is nothing compared with the dissatisfaction of the people in the U.S. actions against Russia. I never tire of insolence and arrogance struck by the statements and actions of the West. American politicians must be a complete idiots if they do not understand that the more they exhibit aggression against Russia, the more rallying Russian people as a nation, and the authority of Putin's among the people will grow in direct proportion to the increasing hostility of U.S. and NATO.
sigma, you need to see things from our point of view. Putin, to us, looks like a overbearing warmonger trying to relive the power and prestige of the Soviet Union, by force. You can't fault us for fearing another rise of a new Soviet Union with Putin stirring up trouble in Ukraine. He couldn't even stop that recent unfair sham Ukrainian succession vote, at gunpoint no less. He's already lost control of his little Ukrainian secessionist movement, because they held the vote anyway. If Ukraine want's relations with Russia, they need to hold a fair and monitored election without all that shooting and trouble making. Despite our crappy politicians, and yours, you have to realize that most Americans have nothing against Russians personally. You sound like a really nice person yourself. :)

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Applying a certain line of reasoning, the Russian government's actions in Ukraine may seem justified - but it is just so hugely convenient for them, and so selective (remember the calls for restraint with the likes of Syria? Where were they this time?).

But, no, it is not the people of Russia making these calls, just a handful at the top who seem to have an agenda.
America's hands are not clean either, but peace is never going to be achieved by pointing fingers and saying "but he's doing it too!"...
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The Russian Oligarchs, or Oligarchs in general are very clever, although I myself don't see how they pull it off. They have given the Russian people a common enemy to vent their frustrations on.
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In my opinion, the purpose of the U.S. interest in Ukraine and purpose of sanctions against Russia are quite transparent and clear.

Only two citations.

"Although we regularly denounce other states, calling them rogue states, we ourselves have become the largest rogue state. We do not abide by the contract. We neglect the international courts. Voluntarily inflict blows wherever they like. We give orders UN, but do not pay membership fees. We complain about terrorism, but our empire became today the most audacious terrorist." Gore Vidal

"All this is financed USA. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland said as early as last December that the United States has spent $ 5 billion through Ukraine. U.S. poured money back through non-governmental organizations , which allegedly involved in human rights and democracy issues . As a result, the money organized street protests . For example , there is evidence that inflation protest American and German non-governmental organizations pay Moldovans to those taking to the streets . All the same conduct the orchestra in Washington DC , in a conversation Nuland U.S. ambassador in Kiev Jeffrey Payette discussed coup and even the name of the one who has to come to power.

This does not mean that the Ukrainians have no real legitimate complaints. However, it is obvious that all this planned for Ukraine to further join the EU and NATO. Because the main goal of the United States - to arrange their own military bases on its territory , near the Russian border . " Paul Craig Roberts
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Can't argue with you there. We have tended to be the world's bully to protect our own interests. And I agree that Russia would NOT like U.S. military bases on their borders. It would be like the Bay of Pigs in reverse. So why does Putin poke at the U.S. by fomenting unrest in Ukraine and taking over Crimea and thus make us WANT to put military bases in that region?

By the way, back on topic, I'd like to take a spin one of these babies, hoooo weeee! But I couldn't afford it in a million years. Plus the insurance alone would bankrupt me. :frown:

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I certainly understand that the media has a big impact on your opinion... But at least sometimes you should try to switch on your own logic. Putin last person on the planet who would like to foment war in Ukraine. Him as no one else needs peace and stability in Ukraine to meet its obligations to the European partners in their stable supply of energy resources. Putin facilitated a peaceful referendum in the Crimea. Putin saved 1,958,500 innocent people of Crimea from the Civil War. While the U.S. are trying to take revenge on Russia for errors American politicians and outdated methods of U.S. policy using stupid sanctions as a way though as that to save face before his vassals countries.
tunnelcat wrote: I'd like to take a spin one of these babies, hoooo weeee! But I couldn't afford it in a million years. Plus the insurance alone would bankrupt me. :frown:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1092 ... spin-video
You do not need this car. I'll never make a gift of car for my girl with a motor more powerful than the 1.6-liter or 110 horsepower. I too love her to worry that she can not cope with the management of the car and crashed.
If you really want to ride on a supercar, take it for rent, buy the maximum insurance, carefully fasten your seat belts themselves and safely break this super car. I very much hope that you break this car against a tree, and not about the car, which will go to a family with young children...
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sigma wrote:I certainly understand that the media has a big impact on your opinion... But at least sometimes you should try to switch on your own logic. Putin last person on the planet who would like to foment war in Ukraine. Him as no one else needs peace and stability in Ukraine to meet its obligations to the European partners in their stable supply of energy resources. Putin facilitated a peaceful referendum in the Crimea. Putin saved 1,958,500 innocent people of Crimea from the Civil War. While the U.S. are trying to take revenge on Russia for errors American politicians and outdated methods of U.S. policy using stupid sanctions as a way though as that to save face before his vassals countries.
Oh, don't say Putin is all Mr. Innocent in this insurgency. I'm sure he knows full well about Igor Strelkov and his "meddling".

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tunnelcat wrote: I'd like to take a spin one of these babies, hoooo weeee! But I couldn't afford it in a million years. Plus the insurance alone would bankrupt me. :frown:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1092 ... spin-video
You do not need this car. I'll never make a gift of car for my girl with a motor more powerful than the 1.6-liter or 110 horsepower. I too love her to worry that she can not cope with the management of the car and crashed.
If you really want to ride on a supercar, take it for rent, buy the maximum insurance, carefully fasten your seat belts themselves and safely break this super car. I very much hope that you break this car against a tree, and not about the car, which will go to a family with young children...
:lol: :lol: :lol: Of course I don't NEED a car like that. Jay Leno doesn't NEED a car like that either, but he has the money to buy and drive one. But it would be great fun to take it out for a ride on a wide open freeway, just ONCE. I can DREAM can't I?
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U.S. does not need strong leaders in other countries. U.S. trying by any means to preserve their dominance and monopoly. Moreover, the most ugly ways. Therefore, the U.S. does not deserve respect.

Well, why not :D
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sigma wrote:U.S. does not need strong leaders in other countries. U.S. trying by any means to preserve their dominance and monopoly. Moreover, the most ugly ways. Therefore, the U.S. does not deserve respect.
And your country is currently fomenting civil war and illegally occupying another sovereign nation. How's that beam in your eye feel?
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We're no better than Russia when it comes to starting fights. but we're still a way better country than Russia is. but it's not their fault. there can only be one United States.
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Isaac wrote:We're no better than Russia when it comes to starting fights. but we're still a way better country than Russia is. but it's not their fault. there can only be one United States.
I do not rule out the possibility that the United States with their existing policies may be not only an example of a unique bloodthirsty aggressor, but U.S. general over time is likely to remain in solitude and isolation.
tunnelcat wrote: But it would be great fun to take it out for a ride on a wide open freeway, just ONCE. I can DREAM can't I?
You can try another option. For example, one night on an empty highway, I was overclocked to 215 kilometers per hour on a standard Mitsubishi Galant. Try it as something to do on your car :wink: You just enjoy it so much that you decided not to buy a supercar :)
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sigma wrote:Putin facilitated a peaceful referendum in the Crimea.
I cannot honestly agree with this. It was only peaceful in the sense that few people got shot, but from the voting margin compared with the ethnic split in Crimea, it looks more like the Tatar population either boycotted the polls or were intimidated out of participating. They probably would have lost anyway (since they are the minority, but 30-40%, not 3%) but the results were so extreme that the referendum appeared obviously unfair. I don't see that as peaceful - it looks more like the Russian occupation merely swapped the oppression from one side to the other.

Even if things had been perfectly free and fair, this still raises international law questions with broad implications. Do we now let any region of a country unilaterally secede regardless of whether there are serious humanitarian concerns (human rights violations may be sufficient grounds, such as in East Timor and Kosovo, although if I recall correctly Russia opposed the latter)? While there now appears to be either a civil war or something close to one in Ukraine, there was not at the time that Russia intervened in Crimea - there were demonstrations and a deposed head of state, but not really all that much violence (apart from a few snipers that were the fault of that head of state, if I recall). It's also very likely that Russian intervention emboldened the separatists in other parts of the country, and ironically caused the conflict they said they were trying to prevent.

Actually, that is a question I don't have a good answer to: if a region of a country doesn't want to be part of that country anymore, is there a justifiable reason to deny them that? I've heard appeals to "territorial integrity", but nothing about why that is important. I know China doesn't like the idea of secession (Tibet, Xinjiang - possibly even Taiwan although that is a little more complicated). I don't really know what Russia thinks (since their opinions of Kosovo and Crimea seem to contradict each other). If there is no reason to deny independence in that situation, then Russia may have pursued the right goal in probably the wrong way and also probably for the wrong reasons, but I guess at least there's something there.

There is still another messy issue: as is so often the case with ethnic groups, they aren't cleanly distributed. You can't draw a line between two areas and say "these are the Russians" and "these are the Ukrainians" because there are plenty of each in the border areas. That means you can't possibly hope to keep everyone happy - and as I noted, there is still a sizable minority of non-Russians in Crimea now. They are not going to be better off - they probably have family in Ukraine that they can't visit because the two countries are now almost at war. They're likely going to be out of jobs, if they aren't already, because the annexation of Crimea also put the brakes on Crimea's economy until Russia can get trade going again - and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are discriminated against by their ethnic Russian neighbors who might have a grudge against what they did in past.

Still, at least there wasn't much bloodshed in Crimea. We can be grateful for that. I just wish Russia had waited for the elections to happen before pushing the panic button - they were supposed to be in May, that was only a few weeks away... if there are actual signs of a descent into anarchy by then you can start looking at intervention, once you know for sure that it's needed...

(apologies to those who are car fans, we have pretty badly derailed this)
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I don't know any example when intervention of the USA in policy of other countries would bring more benefit, than harm to these countries. U.S. intervention always brings only blood, pain and evil for the population of other countries. U.S. can not solve political problems peacefully. The U.S. should learn from Russia, how to solve global political conflicts.
Actually in capitals, cities, villages, more than 30 countries have to stand memorials in memory of hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed by American fascism. America has not yet manifested itself on the positive side. U.S. can not be trusted.
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I do not rule out the possibility that the United States with their existing policies may be not only an example of a unique bloodthirsty aggressor, but U.S. general over time is likely to remain in solitude and isolation.
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I agree with you that Russia and the U.S. is the world's engine of scientific progress. For example, my classmate and friend, with whom we sat at the same desk in the school, he already 20 years working at NASA. This is a good example of cooperation between our countries. But f*cking American politicians today are doing everything possible so that we stopped even cooperation in the scientific field.
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Anyone can be an American politician. Even you can be one. I'm not joking. You have to be a citizen, but yes, even you sigma can run for office here and win, just not for president.

That being said, there are no objective qualifications needed to run, so we get a lot of greedy lazy idiots in the ranks of politics.
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sigma wrote:
tunnelcat wrote: But it would be great fun to take it out for a ride on a wide open freeway, just ONCE. I can DREAM can't I?
You can try another option. For example, one night on an empty highway, I was overclocked to 215 kilometers per hour on a standard Mitsubishi Galant. Try it as something to do on your car :wink: You just enjoy it so much that you decided not to buy a supercar :)
HA! Not in an Toyota FJ. It's made for rock crawling and mud slinging, not for speeding like a Ferrari. :lol:

However, I had a dose of high speed once when I was a teenager and I was not driving either. My mother and sister and I went up to Mount Bachelor here in Oregon to go snow skiing. On the way home, we got behind a line of very slow cars. My mother tended to be a little impatient, so what did she do? Why.......pass the all the cars ahead of her on the one lone straightaway on the whole mountain........AT 112MPH! In a 1971 Ford station wagon no less! That's NOT a car to be doing over 60 MPH, let alone 112 MPH. EEEEEK! My life flashed before my eyes as I saw the oncoming traffic get closer, very FAST! Needless to say, I had a healthy fear of my mother's driving from then on. She was crazy! :shock:
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I remembered at once some cases when I was hanging by a thread from death :) Also I had two crashes, after which I could not get behind the wheel. The first time it was a major accident. The second time I crashed the car racketeers :) But my friends told me that if I do not get behind the wheel of a car after these incidents, I will never be able to drive a car. In the end, I still drive my cars, but I became more experienced and careful. Although a friend of mine, who was on holiday and he hit a moose on the car in Finland, never to be able to drive a car.
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Isaac wrote:Anyone can be an American politician. Even you can be one. I'm not joking. You have to be a citizen, but yes, even you sigma can run for office here and win, just not for president.

That being said, there are no objective qualifications needed to run, so we get a lot of greedy lazy idiots in the ranks of politics.
I said earlier that when my other friend came to work in the U.S., American employers have made it clear to him that if he will not stick to anti-Russian views, he has no prospects climb the career ladder... This is not a Russian propaganda in the media. This feature of American mentality my friend told me on the phone.
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sigma wrote:I said earlier that when my other friend came to work in the U.S., American employers have made it clear to him that if he will not stick to anti-Russian views, he has no prospects climb the career ladder...
Uh, no. Let me give you an example: If I work for someone in an office, I can't go around pushing my pro-gun views on people then call them all "anti-gun", if they ask me to shut up. I bet your friend was pushing pro-russian views on people at work and they probably asked him to keep politics out of the work place, making your friend call them "anti-russian". Am I right?
This is not a Russian propaganda in the media. This feature of American mentality my friend told me on the phone.
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