Will there be ridicule about this statement?

[Will Robinson]

Harry Reid: "The border is secure."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Tuesday asserted the southern border is secure despite the massive surge of illegal minors from Central America that has overwhelmed federal agencies.

Secure?!? really?
Maybe he meant, like, 'We democrats have taken the border, it is now secure... to be used the way we see fit'....That kind of secure? Like ISIS has taken Mosul, Iraq secure?

I just don't think a republican could have made that comment without Hollywood working its joke writers overtime, Saturday Night Live would have a two hour special and the major news outlets would have wall to wall interviews interupting regularly scheduled programming with democrats calling for the head of Newt Gingrich if he had done that.

but I guess it isn't a double standard if the outrageous isn't labeled outrageous by those who own the label maker.

[Spidey]

I guess that little photo op with the big bad guns did its job after all.

And what the hell kind of name is “Jeh” somebody forget some letters or summin.

[Z..]

I'm pretty sure this could have been included in one of the other eight threads already going about the border. You know Will, the ones where you've posted maybe two or three hundred times so far??

[Will Robinson]

I'm pretty sure this could have been included in one of the other eight threads already going about the border. You know Will, the ones where you've posted maybe two or three hundred times so far??

No. I like it where it is...probably because it isn't about the border. Not even close.

[callmeslick]

having seen this whole speil by Reid covered by every major media outlet, and finally listening to the whole thing, I sort of see what he was blundering toward(not a real fan of Reid, was hoping he'd lose, frankly last time out. He's as articulate as a rose bush) was this: were the border not pretty secure, these kids would just be fanning out and turning up in towns and cities across the nation(or at least the South). They instead seem to be largely getting captured by border patrol and the local authorities. Also, worth noting is that deportations last year hit 2 million and the estimates on successful new illegal entries is way down. That was the message he should have fleshed out more, but the fact is that, in terms of actual threats coming into the nation, the border is more secure now than it has been in 20 or 30 years.

[Spidey]

I thought they were turning themselves in? I doubt these children would have much of a chance "scattered about". (paraphrase)

[callmeslick]

I thought they were turning themselves in? I doubt these children would have much of a chance "scattered about". (paraphrase)

there are Guatamalan, Honduran, Salvadorian communities throughout the nation. Were they as savvy as some wish to make them out, getting there would be do-able.

[Spidey]

Search this.....

Children are turning themselves in at border

[callmeslick]

Search this.....

Children are turning themselves in at border

aware of it. How does that make Reid's statement wrong?

[Spidey]

I didn’t read the Reid statement, but I was getting the impression that he was or you were implying all of these children were getting “caught” which is not the case.

I know for a fact that traffickers can get people across the border with no problem.

[callmeslick]

no, Reid merely stated(with far too little explanation) that the Border was secure. And, in truth, far from being a subject for ridicule, he is actually right.
And, the traffickers have actually been doing poorly for a few years now, in terms of percentage success rate.

[Will Robinson]

The stats about deportations are fraudulent. Until Obama all people caught at the border and turned away were called "turnarounds" and not counted as 'deported'. Obama changed the way that was counted so now he claims all the turnarounds as him deporting those that entered!

At the same time, since Obama became president, the number of illegals captured and deported from the interior of the U.S. is down by a great deal.

So slick you are citing a lie..or purposely perpetuating it since this isn't the first time I've told you this....

[CUDA]

ACK I started another thread about the same thing. Sorry Will I didn't see this one

[callmeslick]

The stats about deportations are fraudulent. Until Obama all people caught at the border and turned away were called "turnarounds" and not counted as 'deported'. Obama changed the way that was counted so now he claims all the turnarounds as him deporting those that entered!

and, you're just oh-so-positive this really skewed numbers that much? Care to find the stats for the estimates of new arrivals getting through?

At the same time, since Obama became president, the number of illegals captured and deported from the interior of the U.S. is down by a great deal.

wouldn't this indicate that less of them MADE it to the interior?

So slick you are citing a lie..or purposely perpetuating it since this isn't the first time I've told you this....

see what I was talking about, CUDA? How do I intelligently debate THIS sort of stupid?

[Spidey]

At the same time, since Obama became president, the number of illegals captured and deported from the interior of the U.S. is down by a great deal.

wouldn't this indicate that less of them MADE it to the interior?

It could indicate a lot of things....

I'm not saying it's true, but it could also mean less attempts to find them.

Or they're better at hiding these days, why should it indicate what you say?

[Will Robinson]

DHS, Department of Homeland Security, controls ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
DHS is Obama's tool in this game and they have neutered ICE.
DHS has stopped ICE from numerous activity like border check points, sweeps of known employers of illegals, etc.
Interior deportations are way down due to these kind of policy mandates that have taken the legislative branch out of the legislation (read:law) and made the executive branch the one who creates law (read:unconstitutional). ICE used to enforce the law Congress passed. Now they only are allowed to enforce the laws DHS (read:Obama) dictates.

The fed doesn't allow ICE to arrest/deport ANYONE who isn't a criminal ALREADY in custody. An ICE agent testified that his department has been reduced to giving bus rides from jails to airports.

[Z..]

Yeah dude, it's certainly not about the border.

Why do you care so much anyways, don't you live in Conway or something? That's the LAST place some immigrants would decide to live.

[Will Robinson]

Lol. Well it wasn't about the border but conversations happen.
Why do you think trying to paint me as someone who doesn't care will achieve anything? What exactly were you trying to achieve?
Do you want people to not talk about things you don't want to talk about?

Good luck with that...especially since you only talk about what other people are saying!

About 20 miles east of Conway, if you find yourself in the Atlantic you just missed it.

[woodchip]

no, Reid merely stated(with far too little explanation) that the Border was secure. And, in truth, far from being a subject for ridicule, he is actually right.

The word "Secure" implies no one is sneaking in. Is this the case?

[callmeslick]

no, Reid merely stated(with far too little explanation) that the Border was secure. And, in truth, far from being a subject for ridicule, he is actually right.

The word "Secure" implies no one is sneaking in. Is this the case?

no, it means FEW. The demand for absolutes is the fallback of those trying to defend that which they otherwise cannot. Sort of like the fallback, 'that won't prevent ALL gun deaths', or 'that won't provide health care for ALL citizens'....you know the drill. You know it well, apparently.

[Spidey]

So…the demanding of absolutes is different from the stating of absolutes?

“Like there is none, nodda, absolutely zilch…zero affect from the national debt”

That was a paraphrase, but I can look it up if need be.

[callmeslick]

So…the demanding of absolutes is different from the stating of absolutes?

“Like there is none, nodda, absolutely zilch…zero affect from the national debt”

That was a paraphrase, but I can look it up if need be.

feel free. For the record, I disagree with that statement. There is SOME effect, but in the current economic climate(low interest on debt) very little. Perhaps it is the scientist in me, or just my general outlook upon reality, but I almost always mistrust absolutes.

[woodchip]

no, Reid merely stated(with far too little explanation) that the Border was secure. And, in truth, far from being a subject for ridicule, he is actually right.

The word "Secure" implies no one is sneaking in. Is this the case?

no, it means FEW.

Ah, so a secure nuclear facility means only a few terrorist can get into it. Thanks for the clarification.

[callmeslick]

no, Reid merely stated(with far too little explanation) that the Border was secure. And, in truth, far from being a subject for ridicule, he is actually right.

The word "Secure" implies no one is sneaking in. Is this the case?

no, it means FEW.

Ah, so a secure nuclear facility means only a few terrorist can get into it. Thanks for the clarification.

If you think any 'secure' facility is ABSOLUTELY devoid of the possibility you are naive. Like I say, absolutes are for small minds.

[Will Robinson]

Slick there are more crossing the border now than last year and more that year than the year before...
The president called the surge of people crossing the border a humanitarian crisis!

So how do you spin that into anything resembling a 'secure border'?

The fact that we are down there giving them shelter and walking around money and a ride to the bus stations and airports to catch their free ride to the interior of the country does not amount to security at the border....
Your toilet is still leaking after you pull out the mop unless you also stopped the flow of water.

[callmeslick]

Slick there are more crossing the border now than last year and more that year than the year before...

stats, please.

The president called the surge of people crossing the border a humanitarian crisis!

no, he called the arrival of around 50,000 little kids and mothers a humanitarian crisis. Try to keep up, please.

So how do you spin that into anything resembling a 'secure border'?

because the number of adults successfully entering and staying in the US(which some years numbered over a million), is not in any way extrapolated from the entry of 50,000 who often present themselves to authorities after arrival.

The fact that we are down there giving them shelter and walking around money and a ride to the bus stations and airports to catch their free ride to the interior of the country does not amount to security at the border....

once again, you could stand a little perspective. From your very words above, this is being coordinated by GOVERNMENT officials, so it is in NO WAY analogous to what we saw since Reagan with wholesale entry of millions, few if any of whom were under any government knowledge or coordination.

[Will Robinson]

Reagan? Really, you want to cite the last time talk of amnesty caused a rush to enter as evidence that this current repeat of that effect is somehow less a problem? Seems to me you are seriously straining yourself trying to toss that red herring out....but whatever...

The law that is being attributed to Bush, in the same kind of lame attempt you used Reagan era stats, is, as I've pointed out to you, a Clinton era law that has been reauthorized every couple years by Bush and Obama.

It was never written to be used for the purposes Obama has allowed it to be. In fact it was under his administration that the definitions were scrambled to facilitate his intention to cut deportations to almost nothing.

The law was originally written to offer sanctuary for foreign victims and witnesses to slavery and sex trafficking IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR TESTIMONY IN COURT. Period.
No case being tried no sanctuary....

It now is the excuse used to get almost anyone under the umbrella of the "Dreamer" status.

Who were the Dreamers when that bit of policy was conceived?
Children of illegals who were already here in the country.

We aren't going to deport the kids born here or brought here as children who had no choice in being brought here or bear any responsibility for breaking immigration law. They are here living the dream. They deserve the chance to continue, this is their home.

Then they started talking about not breaking up the family so we decided we weren't going to deport the parents of the Dreamers. Ok, fine, it makes good sense.

The truth is most of us know we aren't going to deport anyone who is here but most of us do want to get better control of how people get in. And despite the rhetoric from the left it can be done. Funny, right now I hear the left arguing it can't be done AND that it is done...it just depends on which side of the manure pile they are shoveling from...lol.

Anyway, right now, by way of Presidential decree (by not enforcing law and coming down on those that try to) the new 'rules' that Obama has replaced actual law with say that anyone 18 or under, anyone in that child's family, anyone claiming to be a child's guardian (no documentation needed to make the claim)....anyone who fits that description is allowed to petition for the protection under the anti-slavery/sex trafficking law. And he is hiring lawyers to make sure all these new voters make that claim. Isn't he just a sweetheart of a guy?!?

Even though they are not part of any pending prosecution. Even though there is no documentation of any kind that they are in any way exposed to criminals involved in those kind of crimes they now all get to avail themselves of the provisions and protections that statute entails.

So how many are coming in now that this back door to our immigration policy has been shoved wide open? In 2013, in that ONE year..., we tripled the totals from the seven year span from 2005 - 2011. Wow that's a jump huh? But wait! It gets better...
This year we are expecting to triple that previous huge increase! And these are all expected to be approved to stay here permanently at a rate of 80%.

ORR also has seen its caseload jump sharply in recent years, rising from an average ofbetween 7,000 and 8,000 unaccompanied children from FY 2005 through 2011 to 24,668 last year, according to figures provided by HHS. This year, officials estimate, the office will receive at least 60,000 referrals.

From here

So take that 'secure' bull★■◆● and use it somewhere else. You offend those of us that live outside your Party's plantation.

[callmeslick]

we have 20 million people who have come here in the past 30 years. Simple math makes that average about 600,000 per year. And you're freaking over 26,000? Sorry, I smell politics.

[Will Robinson]

we have 20 million people who have come here in the past 30 years. Simple math makes that average about 600,000 per year. And you're freaking over 26,000? Sorry, I smell politics.

Lol!
So weak. You have suffered a deflection failure.
You remind me of those old Superman TV episodes where the bank robber is cornered and after emptying his gun he throws it at Superman.

[callmeslick]

impossible to debate you here, Will.......you insist on claiming that apples are oranges. Enjoy the ride, get back to me when the acid wears off.