why is it that 'Conservative' has come to equal' Ignorant'?

[callmeslick]

......before being accused of painting ALL conservatives as idiots, it just seems alarming that the major 'conservative' American spokespeople(see also, Sarah Palin's recent gibberish reply to Elizabeth Warren, and many others) are completely clueless. Not only does Rush savage a recently deceased person, he exposes how little he understands Clinical Depression and exposes an utter lack of humanity.
http://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/rush- ... ver-happy/

[woodchip]

Well we can say the same for major liberal mouth pieces like Letterman joking about raping Palins 14 year old daughter. So should we come to the viewpoint that Liberals are pedophiles and criminally sexual deviants?

[callmeslick]

David Letterman is a liberal opinion maker? Seriously, you aren't making a case, and in fact might be reinforcing mine. A 7 year old comment by a late night talk show host is all you bring to the table? Really?

[woodchip]

And you bring two? Your point?

[callmeslick]

'two' what? My point is that American 'conservatism' has rapidly become a joke, a haven for idiots, surrounded by even more idiots incapable of calling out so-called leaders when they cross the lines of common sense. Where is the outrage on the right for this Rush commentary? Where is the vast body of 'conservatives' calling out Palin for her recent incoherent rant aimed at Warren? Where are the 'conservatives' condemning Ted Cruz for suggesting we sell the National Park system off? And, so on. That is why fewer people over the past decade have been self-identifying in surveys as 'conservative'. The name is becoming an insult to anyone with a brain. Have a big snowstorm? Just wait, some 'conservative' will use that event to declare global warming to be a hoax by liberals. The 'conservative' answer from Michele Bachmann to unemployment was to do away completely with a minimum wage. That is flat-out stupid, and I never heard one self-identified conservative call her out on it.
Maybe that level of stupid sells to small, geographic pockets of 'conservatism' but the reason the GOP keeps taking it on the chin in National Elections and more and more governorships is that most people don't view themselves as conservative or liberal, yet have enough sense and brainpower to realize that 'conservatives' in America are becoming a farce.. William F. Buckley and Barry Goldwater must be spinning in their graves at the trash being heaped by so-called conservatives upon the proud body of thinking they contributed to.

[vision]

...major liberal mouth pieces like Letterman...

haha, what? [facepalm.jpg] Someone like Rachel Maddow might be a mouthpiece, but no one turns to Letterman for a insightful view of the current state of affairs. He doesn't even write his jokes!

...most people don't view themselves as conservative or liberal...

I can agree with that. Out of all the friends I have only a tiny portion like to wear politics on their sleeve. One readily identifies as conservative and the other a liberal. Also, these two have never been in the same room together AFAIK, ha.

[CUDA]

can't you feel the hate in this thread

[callmeslick]

can't you feel the hate in this thread

no hate, just that your side will continue to be a joke until folks with brains and conservative ideals stand up and weed out your idiocracy at the top of the heap. Woody tried a lame attempt to use Letterman as a 'liberal' leader, when most of us(I know I don't) don't have a clue whether he is even liberal or conservative or neither. One COULD, if one wished to key on entertainers, look to Alec Baldwin, who got roundly beaten up by liberals after the first couple stupid acts or statements, and is now essentially ostracized. If you wish 'conservative' to mean anything much more than 'Luddite', 'Stupid' or 'mean-spirited', not to mention ignorant, it is up to folks like YOU to address that problem. It's your erstwhile leadership that has you all looking bad.

[Will Robinson]

Ironic title.
I listened to what he said...twice actually. Once live yesterday and then caught it being replayed today.
I also just read the words on the page you linked.

The article you linked is absolutely incorrect. He did not attribute those things to Williams.
You are the ignorant one for basing your rant/accusations on something that left you completely uninformed about what was actually said.

[woodchip]

Uh Oh, slick caught in another lie.

[callmeslick]

did he not utter the following words:
He had it all, but he had nothing. Made everybody else laugh, but was miserable inside. I mean it fits a certain picture — a certain image that the left has. Talk about low expectations and ummmm general unhappiness and so forth.


did he say those words? If so, then he shows utter ignorance about Clinical Depression. Which was my statement. Time and time again, 'conservative' spokespersons rant about politics within the framework of flagrant stupidity(Rush with no compassion or knowledge of a mental disease, Bachmann doesn't know where the Revolutionary war started, nor the history of slavery, Perry can't even name the departments of the government he wishes to lead, etc, etc). By doing so, my point has continued, these dolts are making modern 'conservatism' a freaking joke. Look at woody and will, here.....desperate to parse something that Rush said that was FLAGRANTLY uninformed, not to mention insensitive for tying it into Robin Williams' death.

[callmeslick]

Ironic title.
I listened to what he said...twice actually. Once live yesterday and then caught it being replayed today.
I also just read the words on the page you linked.

The article you linked is absolutely incorrect. He did not attribute those things to Williams.
You are the ignorant one for basing your rant/accusations on something that left you completely uninformed about what was actually said.

he tied Williams depression into 'leftist thinking', showing no clue about either depression(a medical condition), nor 'liberals'(Rush's euphemism, apparently, for 'people who have functional grey matter').
Still, you and Woody have a blast trying to paint me as a 'liar' or the article as 'incorrect'. ....all the while illustrating my point about the utter stupidity which has overcome the American 'conservative' movement. Like I told CUDA, I hope the handful left in the rightwing fold who have brains and common sense wake up and change the trajectory.

[Will Robinson]

Did you listen to the broadcast? Because if you did and you still want to claim the 'tying of Williams fate' and his comments on the psycho-ideological babble of the left took place that way then you are willfully ignorant.

So I guess your best defense is you didn't listen so you are just accidentally ignorant. Lol

[callmeslick]

Did you listen to the broadcast? Because if you did and you still want to claim the 'tying of Williams fate' and his comments on the psycho-ideological babble of the left took place that way then you are willfully ignorant.

So I guess your best defense is you didn't listen so you are just accidentally ignorant. Lol

heard the replays and yes, he uttered the exact words I typed above. Which were stupid and insensitive for the reasons cited above.

[CUDA]

just that your side will continue to be a joke until folks with brains and conservative ideals stand up and weed out your idiocracy at the top of the heap

"YOURSIDE" it's no wonder we cant get anything done, there is no My side and Your side, there should only be our side. it's that type of closed mindedness that is causing the problems.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

Abraham Lincoln

[callmeslick]

just that your side will continue to be a joke until folks with brains and conservative ideals stand up and weed out your idiocracy at the top of the heap

"YOURSIDE" it's no wonder we cant get anything done, there is no My side and Your side, there should only be our side. it's that type of closed mindedness that is causing the problems.

simmer down. I meant that in the term of your and my sides of the political spectrum(you DO still call yourself a Conservative in a Liberal State, right?). There always has been difference of opinion. Hell, Madison and Jefferson disagreed and they were damn near neighbors with equal socioeconomic status. Our system is based upon rational exchange of ideas between different 'sides' of issues, for the ultimate good of all. I am not ready to assume that those who disagree with me would bring the ruination of everything, forever, in the nation. I think that is where my head should be at. If you look closely at my tone in response to you here, you'd get the idea that I actually WANT a viable conservative base out there. That isn't going to happen in the national arena if more and more people view conservatism as some sort of laughingstock, wherein the inmates run the asylum.

[CUDA]

I know you do, but your presentation is confrontational. not usually the best way to get buy in in a debate

[vision]

"YOURSIDE" it's no wonder we cant get anything done, there is no My side and Your side, there should only be our side. it's that type of closed mindedness that is causing the problems.

Weird, that was what Obama said before he got elected and subsequently shut down. Not that slick needs me to speak for him but his views are clearly centrist, yet he, and I, are painted as some radical lefties. It's a colossal joke. If he or I point to "your side" it is because you proudly wear your affiliation badges.

[callmeslick]

to amplify visions observations regarding he and I being thought of as 'leftist'.......CUDA, I promised you that if and when that article is published in the Progressive E-Zine, that I'd forward it to you. Trust me, friend, read that site front to back, including comments, and you will KNOW how centrist I am.

[Will Robinson]

Big problem with your claims slick. He said those words...but NOT about Williams. He was actually mocking that line of reasoning that he cited and attributed to others..

You, and the rest of the lefties need to misrepresent what he said because it makes it easy for you to portray him as hateful.
He didn't do it, but your kind never let the truth get in the way of your agenda. So you just simply say it happened that way and the idiots will follow because you appeal to their own hateful nature, a nature your team has instilled in them and fostered for decades.

[callmeslick]

Big problem with your claims slick. He said those words...but NOT about Williams. He was actually mocking that line of reasoning that he cited and attributed to others..

not really. I listened to it too, and he tried(gracelessly) to make the jump from depression(a medical condition) to the mindset of 'leftists'(something he has no clue about). Why are you trying to smokescreen what would be obvious to any impartial listener?

[CUDA]

"YOURSIDE" it's no wonder we cant get anything done, there is no My side and Your side, there should only be our side. it's that type of closed mindedness that is causing the problems.

Weird, that was what Obama said before he got elected and subsequently shut down. Not that slick needs me to speak for him but his views are clearly centrist, yet he, and I, are painted as some radical lefties. It's a colossal joke. If he or I point to "your side" it is because you proudly wear your affiliation badges.

there's an old saying "Talk is Cheap" Obama's words were never Obama's actions

[callmeslick]

not very true, CUDA. His initial reachout to both sides during the financial crisis was testament to that. Also, the fact that when resistance to actual insurance reform(single payer or even a public OPTION for insurance) became too intense from the GOP, he adopted the plan THEY endorsed just a few years earlier(in the 90s). For his effort, he got McConnell setting the goal in the Senate of making him a one-term President(no talk of compromise, no mention of good for the nation), and the utter failure of the Senate GOP to pass through over 80% of his appointments(even Bush got 90 percent of his passed immediately), effectively hampering administration. How do you think he should have reacted? Not that having the uber-competetive Rahm Emanual running the White House offices helped one bit, but let's be SOMEWHAT objective, shall we?

[Will Robinson]

Big problem with your claims slick. He said those words...but NOT about Williams. He was actually mocking that line of reasoning that he cited and attributed to others..

not really. I listened to it too, and he tried(gracelessly) to make the jump from depression(a medical condition) to the mindset of 'leftists'(something he has no clue about). Why are you trying to smokescreen what would be obvious to any impartial listener?

Funny, if you were in front of a mirror looking at your own reflection when you asked that question it would make perfect sense and be very apropos.

since you were not engaged in a bit of honest introspection I'll leave it to anyone who listens to the unedited replay of it to hear for themselves how you have tried to mischaracterize what his point was.

I'm not exactly thrilled to be defending rush because he's almost as dishonest as you are, just from the opposite end of the prism. But I'll do it as a favor to you tough love and all that rot.

Do you know the context of the question he was asked by a caller that led to his putting voice to the mindset of the left (as he sees it) as he did? I don't believe you really heard it. You just took the left wing blog at face value because it confirms your own biases and now you think you can hide behind the similar biases of others who will rationalize that you are being truthful because it confirms theirs. But I'm betting a few will be curious enough to go and discover the truth...the truth about slick...

[Spidey]

No one can speak for conservatives, Buckley was one of the people who I tried to emulate in my 20s, but even he could not speak for conservatives.

Perhaps Rush can speak for Republicans, a political party that can actually have spokespeople.

Conservatism is something you live, not something that is stamped on a card you carry in your wallet.

I personally feel no need to chastise Rush, because I understand he is a big bag of wind whose job it is to stir up controversy. And like I said…he in no way speaks for me.

I listened to Rush & Erving Homer for many a year before I started in business, and neither one of them had any affect on my political reasoning, got a lot of laughs tho.

[callmeslick]

No one can speak for conservatives, Buckley was one of the people who I tried to emulate in my 20s, but even he could not speak for conservatives.

Perhaps Rush can speak for Republicans, a political party that can actually have spokespeople.

Conservatism is something you live, not something that is stamped on a card you carry in your wallet.

however, most people in the US who self-identify as Conservative, aren't in any sense conservative in the defined sense of the word.

I personally feel no need to chastise Rush, because I understand he is a big bag of wind whose job it is to stir up controversy. And like I said…he in no way speaks for me.

I listened to Rush & Erving Homer for many a year before I started in business, and neither one of them had any affect on my political reasoning, got a lot of laughs tho.

Erv Homer DOES have his moments. Rush is an ★■◆●, who feeds red meat to the stupid. Sadly, whether you or others don't like it, he HAS become one of the 'faces' of US Conservatism, along with other rocket scientists like Palin, Bachmann, Cruz and the assortment of Tea Party loons spouting sheer stupidity. You hark back to Buckley in the words you wrote.....do you think he would be proud of how ideas and ideals have been replaced by gross ignorance and 'entertainers'?

[callmeslick]

also, for the record, I have chastised some on the left who got entirely too carried away with Rush's latest rant. As noted, he was responding to a specific question, but where I had my specific beef was in the utter ignorance of somehow equating 'negativity' with the matter of depression, and using his own stupid guesswork to extend it to the 'left', of which he has no clue, and never has. I thought it was insensitive to say the least to use the death of a person as a springboard for an ill-informed rant, savaging the 'left' in the process.

[CUDA]

My question for you.
Do you have the same criticism for those on the left.
Maddow. Shultz. Matthews and the like

[callmeslick]

My question for you.
Do you have the same criticism for those on the left.
Maddow. Shultz. Matthews and the like

using those specific examples, I do, and I have(often).
Maddow is brilliant....I have little beef with her. She demonstrates, daily, why she earned that Oxford PhD. Matthews is a political hack whose career in politics peaked in 1982, and Ed Shultz is just a shouter. None of them, however, come off as ignorant of basic facts, but the latter two are simply loud voices, adding to the din that prevents any real cooperation, consensus building or progress(ironic for folks self-identified as progressives). So, while I have criticism of the left(I regularly mock one person on that Progressive blog from the Green Party for feeding every negative stereotype of 'liberals' as a perjorative), and it's TV spokespeople, it is different. Them, I fault for being shrill and unwilling to compromise(this last part common to both extremes), but what I'm addressing here is willful, publicly demonstrated, ignorance of basic facts that a child should grasp, coupled with complete insensitivity toward others. So, yes, I'm quite critical of the extreme left, but in a different way. What concerns me about the extreme right is that they are gradually, consistently, painting themselves into a corner within our society that will ultimately lead to the vast bulk of the public seeing them as not just extreme, but as STUPID, which will render the Conservative voice ineffective within future national debates.

[Will Robinson]

also, for the record, I have chastised some on the left who got entirely too carried away with Rush's latest rant. As noted, he was responding to a specific question, but where I had my specific beef was in the utter ignorance of somehow equating 'negativity' with the matter of depression, and using his own stupid guesswork to extend it to the 'left', of which he has no clue, and never has. I thought it was insensitive to say the least to use the death of a person as a springboard for an ill-informed rant, savaging the 'left' in the process.

I find it kind of disingenuous that you have criticized people for going off on rush for his comments considering it was you who started this thread, its sole focus and what you said in it!

It nice to see you sort of acknowledged the proper context in which 'those words' were spoken though.
But you are now saying he 'equated negativity with depression' I don't get that. He described how people are reacting to it...tangents THEY are embarking on to deliver THEIR associations and critique of happiness and wealth.

Of course he tries to demean them, they are the stereotypical bogey men he has built a career trying take down. He is walking a fine line exploiting THEIR public comments while avoiding Williams altogether.

Is the timing in poor taste, controversial? Absolutely, that's half of his act. No excuses from me for it. But he hasn't done the things you claimed before, nor does your revised indictment hold much water.

As I recall he made no comments on Williams or depression that were an expression of his own opinion or thoughts on the event. Nor did he attribute anything to Williams.
He seemed to be exclusively commenting on the topics pursued by others, real or predicted, in the wake of the suicide.

The only comments he made showing his own reaction to the event were to suggest that others in Williams state of mind might be more inclined to follow his lead due to the media attention it garnered.

[Burlyman]

political tribalists are ignorant

[Burlyman]

As long as you goofy Republicans tolerate people like Sarah "Pale Horse" Palin...