Dowager Queen

[woodchip]

So the Liberal shoo in for president. Hillary "Hillary Clinton" Clinton, wants now to be treated as royalty when she speaks at a event. In this case the University of Nevada,Las Vegas has no problem treating her as a Queen in waiting. The leak of her contract demands giving a inkling of what her Imperial Presidency will look like:

The price of Hillary Clinton's scheduled speech and UNLV fundraiser could be going up. Las Vegas Review Journal, which obtained Clinton's contract with the UNLV Foundation, reports in addition to her speaking fee of $225,000, Clinton is demanding a private jet, a presidential suite and adjoining rooms for her entourage, and Clinton refuses to mingle with the common folk. She wants to approve any media types attending the event.

The contract reads as if Hillary is being given the, yes, royal treatment. Now it is bad enough that the UNLV Foundation folks agreed to that outrageous $225,000 fee as students struggle to make ends meet

But the contract they signed shows they were willing to agree to terms no self-respecting institution would. She wants a private jet, a presidential suite, rooms for staff, and, get this, all cell phone charges for everyone paid for. Oh, and if the $225,000 is not enough UNLV has to spring for a stenographer, and no one gets to see the transcription except -- Hillary. No media coverage at all, no statements, keep the rabble out of the room. The contract also says Hillary is not -- and this is in all caps -- endorsing the sponsor. That is, she does not want anyone to think that she actually likes UNLV. No one can take a picture of Hillary and post it to Facebook or tweet it unless, of course, you get her agent's permission.

I gather UNLV held firm on a provision that no one was allowed to look her directly in the eye and that men were supposed to bow and women curtsy before her. I don’t know who should be more embarrassed, Hillary or UNLV? I only have one question: Who gets to hold her crown while she speaks?
So I have to wonder how transparent her presidency will be.

[Sergeant Thorne]

This is America, Chipper. She can get what she can get (while working for America?). If it were me I would spring for a private jet to send her the same distance in the other direction. Apparently she has some kindred spirits at UNLV.

[Tunnelcat]

Yeah, and since she's running on the "help the common man and the middle class" theme, it kinda negates her message when she acts like a pompous stuckup ne'er do well in her own life.

[CUDA]

after all she is recovering from being dead broke, give the gal some leeway

[callmeslick]

first off, she is anything BUT the 'liberal' choice, at all. That would be Elizabeth Warren, hands down. Hillary is the centrist Dem choice, and a lot of us don't like her all that much. I'd back Biden over her, although I don't want him to run. The recent public waffling over foreign policy reeks of Clinton-style searching for a publicly popular position.



All that said, she will, as was noted in some major outlet yesterday, whomp the crap out of the GOP unless they figure out real quick why the public despises them.

[woodchip]

Don't believe Dr Carson is despised and he looks more and more like he is running

[callmeslick]

Don't believe Dr Carson is despised and he looks more and more like he is running

won't make it out of the GOP primary process. We've been to this movie before(Herman Cain). Most moderates I live around find Carson to be both stupid and scary-stupid at that.

[Spidey]

That’s because your ilk considers everyone they disagree with stupid.

You're probably right about the primaries tho...

[woodchip]

Anyone that finds a pediatric neurosurgeon to be stupid and scary needs their light bulbs changed.

[callmeslick]

hell, I'd like to know why anyone thinks Clinton is a 'liberal' choice........further example of how modern 'conservatives' don't understand what true liberals thing, or that moderates are NOT the same as 'liberals'. Likely, they don't understand what Conservatism means, either.....

and, where folks find him scary stupid isn't in the field of medicine, but in real-world economics, foreign policy and public policy especially. He would be one of the few candidates I could see as being out and out DANGEROUS in office, depending on who is around him to advise and support.

[woodchip]

How Alynski of you slick...and how racist. Is Carson scary because of his political beliefs or because he is black? Before you get all worked up this is the exact same kind of logic that people used to defame those critical of Obama.

[vision]

Is Carson scary because of his political beliefs or because he is black?

I just learned that Carson is black from reading this sentence, if that's any indication of his popularity.

Also, Clinton is was too right-leaning for my liberal friends which means she is a centrist. If you can't see that, then you are probably too wrapped up in your bubble to escape.

[Sergeant Thorne]

DANGEROUS... right... because the folks steering the boat into another depression, stirring ★■◆● up with competing countries, militarizing our police forces, and making abortion a viable option are responsible individuals...

[callmeslick]

How Alynski of you slick...and how racist. Is Carson scary because of his political beliefs or because he is black?

no, because he espouses 'solutions' that have proven disasterous when tried.

Before you get all worked up this is the exact same kind of logic that people used to defame those critical of Obama.

if he gets close to being a serious consideration, I'll be VERY specific as to which issues about him bother me, but I seriously think he'll get destroyed in the Southern primaries.

[Spidey]

y'all are going to love Hillary for 8 years. I keep trying to tell you.....if you thought Obama was a: leftist, willing to pressure issues towards the left, with a socialist ideology..........Hillary is going to be a shock because she is the real deal.

[vision]

That just proves how far to the right our current president is.

[Spidey]

Not if Hillary is a real deal socialist, you could still be on the left and be on the right of her.

[woodchip]

How Alynski of you slick...and how racist. Is Carson scary because of his political beliefs or because he is black?

no, because he espouses 'solutions' that have proven disasterous when tried.

Those sorts of replies were tried here but certain people still called us racist

Before you get all worked up this is the exact same kind of logic that people used to defame those critical of Obama.

if he gets close to being a serious consideration, I'll be VERY specific as to which issues about him bother me, but I seriously think he'll get destroyed in the Southern primaries.

You don't have to wait until the southern primaries (is this another sly attempt a racism? Carson is black so the southern white boy won't vote for him?) to give us specifics...you ought to be able to do so now.

[vision]

...is this another sly attempt a racism? Carson is black so the southern white boy won't vote for him?

I read it as where the greatest concentration of conservatives lay, not a black/white thing.

[callmeslick]

Not if Hillary is a real deal socialist, you could still be on the left and be on the right of her.

to clarify, I meant the 'real deal' insofar as she is far more focused on getting legislation done, and jamming her bills through the Congress without compromise. She is, lucky for the right-wingnuts, NOT a leftist, but she will implement far more of what they deem a 'socialist' agenda than will make them happy.

[callmeslick]

also, I'll do a Ben Carson thread sometime in between fall fishing trips. No time now, with wedding, moving daughters family out and about 8 planned vacation or fishing trips between now and then. I want to be very specific, something the right never seems to do with Obama(hence the racism suspicions). In fact, most criticism of Obama from the right involves outright fictions, out-of-context statements and known lies. I'll stick to facts and truth with Carson to differentiate, but that will involve my taking some time to do it right.

[Will Robinson]

I think slick cant get specific because his party hasn't put out the talking points on Carson yet. In the time it took him to explain his fishing plans he could have listed specific policy/agenda/skeletons-in-the-closet-whatever problems...

And slick, the opposition to Obama has been very specific, policy after policy has been protested. It is the left that refuses to debate the specifics on that policy and instead resorts to saying all opposition to him is purely racist...'they would never say that about a white man' etc.

Hell, when people started really getting outraged at some of the details emerging about ObamaCare it was the left who championed the position that 'we need to pass the Bill before we can see what is in it.'

stop projecting and spit it out if you have it

[callmeslick]

Slick wrote 350 words on the guy a year ago, elsewhere, so once again, we find you talking out your ass. Stick to what you know. Oh, and spend some time figuring out the difference between moderate Progressives and the Left. The Left never liked the ACA, never defended the ACA, never supported it. In fact, when you or others spout that 55 percent of the public doesn't support the ACA, remember that 20% of the non-support numbers have ALWAYS been the Left.

[vision]

...remember that 20% of the non-support numbers have ALWAYS been the Left.

Totally. I don't like the ACA because it legally forces someone to buy a product from a company. That's the opposite of "left-thinking." However, I support it because this is the best we can do with the current makeup of our population. We have the ACA because that is what America as a whole values.

[Will Robinson]

The best we can do?
How about simply adding those alleged 20 million with no coverage to the medicare roles?!? Viola! Instant coverage with no entanglement with the corporate world. Cost less and works better with no need for bigger bureaucracy than what we already have too!

Best my ass! You aren't' thinking you are just making excuses for the power play they made because some conservative types opposed it.
You defenders-of-everything-the-D's-do are easier to play than auto tune.

and slick, why not link us to, or copy/paste, the 350 words? Or it didnt happen.

[woodchip]

The Left never liked the ACA, never defended the ACA, never supported it. In fact, when you or others spout that 55 percent of the public doesn't support the ACA, remember that 20% of the non-support numbers have ALWAYS been the Left.

And yet, to a man, those in congress and the senate, voted for it. Never heard a sound of dissent from them either.

[Spidey]

Not if Hillary is a real deal socialist, you could still be on the left and be on the right of her.

to clarify, I meant the 'real deal' insofar as she is far more focused on getting legislation done, and jamming her bills through the Congress without compromise. She is, lucky for the right-wingnuts, NOT a leftist, but she will implement far more of what they deem a 'socialist' agenda than will make them happy.

That’s hilarious, first off…I don’t believe a word you just said, there is way too much context in the other posts you made, as to what you really meant.

Second, I think you just disqualified Hillary to be president, because as we all know…all legislation must begin in the congress.

And anyone who thinks they can “jam a bill through congress”…is an idiot. Plain and simple.

[vision]

Best my ass! You aren't' thinking you are just making excuses for the power play they made because some conservative types opposed it.

Do you really think we could do better? If we could, why didn't we? What excuse do you have for that? Blame Obama again? Seems like all you can come up with is oversimplified explanations.

[Spidey]

Too many questions…

Do you really think we could do better?

Maybe if we elected smart people to congress instead of politicians.

[Will Robinson]

Best my ass! You aren't' thinking you are just making excuses for the power play they made because some conservative types opposed it.

Do you really think we could do better? If we could, why didn't we? What excuse do you have for that? Blame Obama again? Seems like all you can come up with is oversimplified explanations.

Wait a damn minute!
You ask for a better plan. I tell you of one and you declare there can't be a better one if it 'blames Obama' for what is wrong with the plan we have...the one he proudly attaches his name to...the one he campaigned on...the one he keeps postponing and altering because its implementation is wreaking havoc with our economy and his political supporters?!?

Lol! With your nose that far up his butt you will taste his breakfast before he does!

[woodchip]

Vision, like Obama, is quite good at knocking other peoples plans...not so good at coming up with one of his own.

[vision]

How about simply adding those alleged 20 million with no coverage to the medicare roles?!? Viola! Instant coverage with no entanglement with the corporate world. Cost less and works better with no need for bigger bureaucracy than what we already have too!

And what do you do about all the elected officials who oppose even Medicare? How do you make them happy? You really think no one suggested this before? (For the record I agree with your idea, but just because we both think it's a good idea doesn't mean anyone else will.)

...the one he proudly attaches his name to...the one he campaigned on...the one he keeps postponing and altering because its implementation is wreaking havoc with our economy and his political supporters?!?

Keep in mind that it was the conservative party who attached Obama's name to the ACA. He campaigned on health care reform and, despite the massive resistance from your friends, made something happen. That's pretty impressive. And while it remains to be seen how the effects of the ACA will unfold, just the fact he actually got the country serious about heathcare legislation is something to be proud of. One thing is for sure, the ACA is not, by any stretch of the imagination, "wreaking havoc with our economy." LOL are you completely out of your mind with such hyperbole?

Maybe if we elected smart people to congress instead of politicians.

Maybe. I think a good number of them are smart, just corrupt. Our checks and balances system is failing to keep the legislative branch in line while everyone is distracted with "OMG OBAMA." I think the president is the least of our concerns. Corruption in the legislative branch should be the top priority because, unlike a presidency that ends after 4 or 8 years, those elected to this branch are large in number and affect our lives for longer.

Vision, like Obama, is quite good at knocking other peoples plans...not so good at coming up with one of his own.

I Think the ACA is the best compromise given the diversity of our nation. However, my personal plan would be universal health insurance, but there are too many corporate interests for that to happen in 'Murica, thus the existence of the ACA.