I know its against the law

[CUDA]

But ★■◆● you America I'm going to do it anyways.

any thoughts on King Baracks immigration executive order?

by his own words the action he took was illegal. Yet he did it anyways.

And dont give me this Reagan did it too bull★■◆●. When Reagan issued his executive order he was only enacting legislation that was already making its way through congress to become law. Obama wrote his own law.

[vision]

You should do something about it!

[CUDA]

I did. I voted.

and thats whats wrong with you and the president. You give the people the middle finger and tell us its OK that he puts himself above the law. Do something to stop him.

[CUDA]

Maybe the next Republican president signs an executive order that outlaws corporate gains taxes. Why not. Whos to stop him huh

[Tunnelcat]

First, it may NOT be against the law. I'm sure all aspects of this executive order were researched well before it was implemented. If this order IS found to be illegal or extra constitutional, Obama WILL be impeached by the next Republican Congress and you'll be happy they've finally gotten that black liberal A-hole "king" out of office.

However, you might want to go through ALL the executive orders your former Republican president put into edict. It might take you awhile to peruse the WHOLE list. In fact, Bush's signing statements were a significant new use, or abuse for the lack of a better description, of presidential power, even when congress was giving him everything he wanted at the time. UNLIKE Bush/Cheney, Obama DIDN'T become president with the goal of creating new powers for the president. But because he's been stymied at every turn by Republicans determined to undermine his presidency at all costs, he's fed up with trying to work with them and is now working AROUND them.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/

As Dick Vader Cheney once took this bizarre stance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04sat1.html

Mr. Cheney has long taken the bizarre view that the lesson of Watergate was that Congress was too powerful and the president not powerful enough. He dedicated himself to expanding President Bush’s authority and arrogating to himself executive, legislative and legal powers that are nowhere in the Constitution.

So if you want to gripe about the powers that Obama is supposedly abusing, better look into the past at the president who set the precedence.

[vision]

and thats whats wrong with you and the president. You give the people the middle finger and tell us its OK that he puts himself above the law.

Where did I give everyone the middle finger? Also, I believe there are probably some legal stipulations that make actions like this possible, until the Supreme Court decides otherwise that is. That's just the reality of the situation. I really have no opinion on this nor does it matter if I did because the legality is for the courts to decide.

[Will Robinson]

Whether or not he will lose ultimately in the court decision doesn't matter. The door will have been kicked open wide. I imagine the trainloads are moving north very soon...

As for impeachment, that won't happen. When a President has the level of assistance instead of criticism that this one enjoys from the media the prospect of being the Party that tried to kick the black man out of the White House becomes untenable for any politician that puts career above principle (read:all of them).

He isn't trying to lead as a President, never has. He is a community agitator who is skilled, slick and comfortably operating from within his element right now.
He is working toward a much different legacy and post-presidency than anyone who came before him. The concerns that a 'President' would have in his position are not his. The D Party? Heh, he will crash their wagon if needed. Black people in general? He has walked on their heads to get what he has with no concern for them. The country?!? Lol! He is transforming it just as he promised.

The problem with not putting him through the scrutiny that a white candidate in his place would have been subjected to is it let him become a blank slate for all his defenders and supporters. What ever you wanted him to be he was. And now he is free to do what he wants because there is no entity that can stop him. He doesn't care if your dream of a great president is up in smoke...it was you that projected that onto him. He just smiled and let you defend your fantasy while he bid his time. Now it's his turn to define who he is.
And now the rest of you will see it. And some of you will make excuses regardless of what he does. You will rationalize and equivocate conjuring up your best attempt at a rightwing example of similar acts but there isn't really anything close to it. No one has had the kind of slippery armor that was handed to this guy.
This is his time....'vengeance is his'.

[CUDA]

TC it IS against the law.
Obama himself said so.
MULTIPLE times.
he's now told us with this action. What im going to do is against the law. I know it. But ★■◆● YOU anyways,
I'm above the law, and you cant stop me.

plus just 2 weeks ago he promised to work with the new congress, and by taking this action he told them ★■◆● you too, and ★■◆● you american voters. He couldnt wait 2 months? Hell he's waiting 6 years already, why the sudden hurry?
I know you voted for political change in this last election because you didnt like how my party was running things, but I am the change. I'm king, i am emperor, and I'll do what ever I please. SO

And the horse you road in on.

Jimmy Carter can now breathe easy,

[CUDA]

And stop with bull★■◆● about Republicans being obstructionist. Harry reid has over 350 bills sitting on his desk in the Senate that he refused to bring for any sort of vote, maybe you should look at the deomcrats as as much of an obstructionist as you do the Republicans, but with you alas is not possible you're still living 2 elections ago.

[Tunnelcat]

TC it IS against the law.
Obama himself said so.
MULTIPLE times.
he's now told us with this action. What im going to do is against the law. I know it. But **** YOU anyways,
I'm above the law, and you cant stop me.

plus just 2 weeks ago he promised to work with the new congress, and by taking this action he told them **** you too, and **** you american voters. He couldnt wait 2 months? Hell he's waiting 6 years already, why the sudden hurry?
I know you voted for political change in this last election because you didnt like how my party was running things, but I am the change. I'm king, i am emperor, and I'll do what ever I please. SO

And the horse you road in on.

Jimmy Carter can now breathe easy,

No, the courts have to decide this, not me, not the congress and no matter what Obama has publicly stated. I'm not a Constitutional Law expert, so let the courts decide and quit being the executioner. Besides, Bush/Cheney did far more damage to our Constitution than Obama ever has, or will and they were never prosecuted for it. As for saying **** you to the American voters, Obama is only saying that to the roughly 25 to 30% of mostly Republicans who voted in the midterms. Last I saw, Obama's not a Republican.

As for being obstructionist, Republicans have made it their mission to obstruct this president ever since Obama started up trying to pass the ACA. They didn't want to just block the ACA, they wanted to block everything Obama wanted from then on. Harry Reid has only responded in kind sitting on those 350 Bills. So who's saying **** you to the American voter?

[CUDA]

you are so predictable. You couldnt do it if you had to could you. Always bush and cheney with you. So blinded you cant see him giving you the middle finger that the whole world can see.

news flashTC its a new century.

Not to mention the point is flying over your head so far you couldn't reach it with a space ship.

OBAMA SAID.... get it?
he SAID one thing and then did another. He lied to you. He didnt just bend the truth, he said FU and did exactly what HE said HE did not have the constitutional authority to do.

He telling you Gruber is right about you. He's telling you you're stupid. Are you?????????

Honestly by your reply you're starting to make me wonder.

[Tunnelcat]

Well, if YOU would admit for once that Bush/Cheney pretty much stomped all over the Constitution and set up the whole executive power mess we have now when they were in office, I'll grant you that Obama has overstepped his bounds. And I don't care WHAT OBAMA SAID. It's what the courts decide that will matter now. And I've noticed that Boehner has filed suit over the ACA, but NOT against Obama himself, only his underlings. What the?????

[Tunnelcat]

CUDA, if you can't admit that Bush/Cheney royally screwed the pooch in the performance of their duty, those evil twins will continue to be fair game for my deridement instead of Obama just out of principle, at least until either I'm dead, or both of them are charged with war crimes and/or violating the U.S. Constitution, both of which they honestly and rightly deserve. At least I can can swallow my liberal pride and admit that Obama has epically failed at being a leader and president.

[CUDA]

CUDA, if you can't admit that Bush/Cheney royally screwed the pooch in the performance of their duty, those evil twins will continue to be fair game for my deridement instead of Obama just out of principle, at least until either I'm dead, or both of them are charged with war crimes and/or violating the U.S. Constitution, both of which they honestly and rightly deserve. At least I can can swallow my liberal pride and admit that Obama has epically failed at being a leader and president.

ya know, my mother once told me when you resort to "but" you dont really mean what you say.

Obama is a bad president "BUT" Bush was a bad one first.

[woodchip]

TC, can you give us specific examples of where Bush/Cheny trod all over the constitution?

[vision]

Did you know that President Obama is the black version of Chairman Mao? That's why we have such good relations with the Chinese. They see things like "executive orders" as the sign of a strong leader. It's true. Look it up.

[callmeslick]

I heard the entire speech whilst trapped in the car in traffic on the Tappan Zee bridge. Did any of you actually hear it? I don't know where CUDA heard him assert that it wasn't legal. In fact, he went to great pains to point out his legal limits as President. He went to great pains to explain why it needed to be done, and that limited funds necessitated SOMETHING be done. He asked that Congress(this or next) come up with a comprehensive bill to address all aspects(Republican friends--this doesn't mean, " we send the enforcement stuff now, and promise to deal with citizenship, legal standing, children and work permits later"). I dunno, it's not like EVERY President since Truman, with the exception of Kennedy and Carter hasn't done something near identical legally. Maybe, it's just the special Obama trigger that got pulled again........sigh.

[Foil]

Mod note: I cleaned up this thread, in the hopes that the primary topic can be discussed in a reasonable manner. Don't crap it up again.

[callmeslick]

TC, can you give us specific examples of where Bush/Cheny trod all over the constitution?

the Patriot Act, by and large, is a mass ass-wiping with the Constitutional guarantees of freedom. And, yes, before any of the usual Obama-hate crew chimes in, Obama did nothing to eliminate that Act.

[vision]

Mod note: I cleaned up this thread, in the hopes that the primary topic can be discussed in a reasonable manner. Don't crap it up again.

LoL. What discussion? When some curmudgen whines (continually) about something the media told him, and without him learning any of the facts, this somehow constitutes a topic worthy of discussion? Where is this law "Obama wrote"? Let's have a link so we can review it. I hope OP delivers.

[woodchip]

TC, can you give us specific examples of where Bush/Cheny trod all over the constitution?

the Patriot Act, by and large, is a mass ass-wiping with the Constitutional guarantees of freedom. And, yes, before any of the usual Obama-hate crew chimes in, Obama did nothing to eliminate that Act.

Yet again slick, you post before you understand what you are writing about. You infer Bush used executive privilege to enact the Patriot Act akin to Obama using same to by pass congress. Once again you are wrong:

"The USA PATRIOT Act is an Act of Congress that was signed into law by President George W. Bush "

When are you going to stop being embarrassed by being proven wrong so often?

[callmeslick]

not embarrassed, as I can see the difference, but the point is that the Bush/Cheney team sought powers that NO administration should have(and they got them, as you note, fair and square). As for exec orders, neither Bush nor Obama have done a damn thing beyond basic administration of a limited budget, and legal interpretation, both of which they are Constitutionally entitled to.
I'm still awaiting word from CUDA about the speech where Obama implied otherwise.

[Will Robinson]

Are you asking for the comments Obama made where he said it was against the law to do what he has now done?

[Spidey]

TC, can you give us specific examples of where Bush/Cheny trod all over the constitution?

the Patriot Act, by and large, is a mass ass-wiping with the Constitutional guarantees of freedom. And, yes, before any of the usual Obama-hate crew chimes in, Obama did nothing to eliminate that Act.

Last time I checked The Patriot Act was an act of congress.

* No I didn’t skim…I replied before reading any further.

[Tunnelcat]

not embarrassed, as I can see the difference, but the point is that the Bush/Cheney team sought powers that NO administration should have(and they got them, as you note, fair and square). As for exec orders, neither Bush nor Obama have done a damn thing beyond basic administration of a limited budget, and legal interpretation, both of which they are Constitutionally entitled to.
I'm still awaiting word from CUDA about the speech where Obama implied otherwise.

He probably got Obama's statement from this interview:

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/19/wat ... s-illegal/

Am I'm still waiting for CUDA to admit that Bush took and abused far more presidential powers than any other single president in history, including Obama. If he thinks Obama is worse in the power grabbing and constitution stomping department, give me a legitimate list. I'm game.

TC, can you give us specific examples of where Bush/Cheney trod all over the constitution?

You're kidding, right?

http://www.ccrjustice.org/the911decade/ ... fdemocracy

[woodchip]

TC, post links to leftist whine sites doesn't prove your point. Here is a example of what your link claims:

"He claimed the power to kill, capture or detain anyone, anywhere in the world. The Justice Department, under George W. Bush, said that the law simply doesn’t apply to the president when he’s acting as commander in chief. So the lawyers gathered around him, and around Vice President Dick Cheney, counseled him that he could ignore the fact that Congress had passed a law saying that torture was illegal or that the government can’t wiretap without a warrant."

So lets look at the idea Bush claimed the power to kill, capture or detain. At least Bush wasn't killing American citizens with drones like Obama is.

Then we are shown the torture canard. Water boarding, at the time, was not declared illegal. Under Holder and the IRS we had far worse examples of what was declared legal that affected many more Americans than Bush ever did. I'm afraid you need to really come up with better examples of Bush trampling the constitution than some leftist "Bush is Evil" website.