Obama says 'The law is the law.' (Ferguson)

[vision]

Everything Will says is XTREME!

[Will Robinson]

Everything Will says is XTREME!

In order for a large segment of black people to think rioting in reaction to the not guilty determination in this case of a policeman justifiably shooting a criminal in self defense there has to be an extreme manipulation of those peoples mind set. Their sensitivities to the allegation that a white man killed a black man unjustly are so on edge that they become irrational.

Now, is that reality because of some extreme catalyst or inherent to the normal psychology of the group?

If you choose catalyst but try to define it as something other than what I've alluded to please back up your hypothesis with factual data not that some fool said Brown had his hands up and was saying don't shoot as the cop executed him gangland style point blank while he was on his knees.

The video of Brown perpetrating a strong armed robbery moments before he encountered the police was known before the riots took place. There was NOT an attempt to caution the potential rioters from jumping to any conclusions by the agitators or wilful accomplice media.

Is this extreme to point out? Yea, extremely rare in this ridiculous politically correct and partisan priority motivated culture we have created for ourselves, to the detriment of ourselves.
We need more of this kind of 'extreme' in the public discourse if we are truly going to transcend the residue of slavery considering the race baiting faction that profits so greatly from shouting down these important distinctions.

[callmeslick]

'large segment' of black people are cool with rioting? Seriously? Someone yesterday sent me old video feeds of riots after major college football wins, basketball and baseball championships, etc, that were FAR worse than Ferguson, and no real 'riots' anywhere else around this. How the heck do you come up with 'large segments' of black people? Oh, that's right,because you are still a blatant, disgusting racist.

[Will Robinson]

News flash to slick:
It isn't "racist" to point out the actual behavior of someone, especially when I attribute that behavior to a manipulation of the persons perception and specifically challenged the notion that the behavior is naturally inherent to the person!

You have to ignore logic and the actual comments I made in order to even attempt to draw such a conclusion. It is a pathetic attempt on your part to play the race card as a diversion from the point raised.

Secondly, the definition of "large" is certainly a subjective one. In my mind when numerous buildings and cars are set afire in at least one city, bridges and roadways in numerous other cities are shut down, people punched in the face, etc I subjectively perceive that to be the work of a 'large segment' of people.

But the metrics/ratios are really an insignificant part of the point you are trying to dodge by playing the race card....
So your lame deflection is duly noted and disregarded appropriately.

[woodchip]

Perhaps slick is still getting his emo news from CNN:

"CNN is lying when they say Ferguson protests were ‘peaceful
While their cameramen are watching cars on fire and stores being looted, the reporters ramble on about how “most people here” are “peaceful protesters.”

http://nypost.com/2014/11/29/why-cnn-wa ... -peaceful/

[vision]

Things I learned in this thread:

* Obama told people to riot.

* It takes millions of people to set fires (large segment of the black population).

* They do this because Obama manipulated them and can't think on their own.

* Obama manipulated them because.... ???

* Democrats profit, somehow. <insert favorite conspiracy theory>

[woodchip]

After allowing illegals to now steal jobs from the blacks, Obama and friends felt they had to give tacit approval to rioting as it is "justifiable anger" so they can continue to get votes from them.

[sigma]

Looks like negros achieve that goal, so that regions with a predominance of black people in the police were only blacks. But by this logic, in Chinatown to be the police consisting of Chinese, Russian - Russian police, Muslims - Muslim police, etc.

[vision]

* Democrats profit, somehow. <insert favorite conspiracy theory>

After allowing illegals to now steal jobs from the blacks, Obama and friends felt they had to give tacit approval to rioting as it is "justifiable anger" so they can continue to get votes from them.

Perfect! And I would laugh if I thought you were joking, but sadly you are not.

[Will Robinson]

Things I learned in this thread:

* Obama told people to riot.

* It takes millions of people to set fires (large segment of the black population).

* They do this because Obama manipulated them and can't think on their own.

* Obama manipulated them because.... ???

* Democrats profit, somehow. <insert favorite conspiracy theory>

Well if that is what you really think you learned then you haven't increased your cognisance since last time you failed to grasp the distinctions laid out in simple english for you.

And if, as I suspect, you have once again purposefully misrepresented the point in an attempt at hyperbole... to ridicule those distinctions to create some kind of diversion... you have once again failed at that.

But, look on the bright side, if you were a student at a liberal school you would get a passing mark for your effort because there is no bad grade even in failure. And, as a good-little-democrat type, you are no doubt entitled to get an atta boy from the faithful followers of that church.

[sigma]

I am once again amazed at the ability of Americans to turn the discussion of any topic in the senseless bickering among themselves, but not offer concrete solution to the problem

[vision]

...if you were a student at a liberal school you would get a passing mark for your effort because there is no bad grade even in failure.

This coming from a guy who voted for Obama to a guy who didn't. You're the liberal here.

[Sergeant Thorne]

I'd be laughing along, vision, if it weren't for the fact that Will said he voted for Obama (over Hillary) in the primaries.

[Will Robinson]

...if you were a student at a liberal school you would get a passing mark for your effort because there is no bad grade even in failure.

This coming from a guy who voted for Obama to a guy who didn't. You're the liberal here.

I'm not judging your party identity or your proclivity to support the left side. I was judging your intelligence and wit...and implying the lefty's would approve of your handicapped assistance to their cause.
So don't worry, you will still get the star, the cookie and the 'atta boy!'

[vision]

I'm not judging your party identity or your proclivity to support the left side.

Don't you mean "I'm judging you because you aren't an extreme right-winger like myself, thus I can only imagine you as a hard-core left supporter even those I have no evidence to support my assertion."

Yeah, that's what I though. You should use some more big words out of context again. That's always good for a laugh. Throw on some exclamation points too. Everything is XTREME!!!!!!

[callmeslick]

After allowing illegals to now steal jobs from the blacks, Obama and friends felt they had to give tacit approval to rioting as it is "justifiable anger" so they can continue to get votes from them.

vision, put the above onto your list of loony comments in the thread. It may even top the list! Hoo-boy!

[callmeslick]

I am once again amazed at the ability of Americans to turn the discussion of any topic in the senseless bickering among themselves, but not offer concrete solution to the problem

Is America a great nation, or what?

[woodchip]

After allowing illegals to now steal jobs from the blacks, Obama and friends felt they had to give tacit approval to rioting as it is "justifiable anger" so they can continue to get votes from them.

vision, put the above onto your list of loony comments in the thread. It may even top the list! Hoo-boy!

I find when a comment hits close to the truth and makes Obama look bad, you come out with the loon comments. Is that the only way you can counter what I said or is Alynski is the only way?

[sigma]

I am once again amazed at the ability of Americans to turn the discussion of any topic in the senseless bickering among themselves, but not offer concrete solution to the problem

Is America a great nation, or what?

Margaret Thatcher said: "It is advisable to leave to reside in the territory of Russia 15 million people."
Sigma said: "If I'll see a stranger with a gun in my home country, I catch him, I'll cut off his balls and make him eat it"

[woodchip]

What if the stranger is a hunter who paid big bucks to your fellow countrymen to have a once in a lifetime experience? Perhaps those countrymen will cut your balls off instead.

[sigma]

You can give a reasonable answer to why Russia finds any ways to prevent WWIII, while the United States is looking for any reason to start a war?

[Will Robinson]

sigma, if the U.S. wanted to start WWIII you would have been notified.

[Sergeant Thorne]

I don't know, Will. Let's not pretend that the interests of everyone in our government, and everyone in any organization, and all private citizens are unified. As far as I'm concerned it is highly likely that there are people in the U.S. willing to cause a world war. And we certainly have enough ignorant people dumb enough to facilitate one in one way or another... Just because the U.S. as a whole doesn't with one voice demand a world war doesn't mean we aren't being moved toward one...

[Will Robinson]

I still have enough faith in most of our people to believe they don't want WWIII.
They might list their primary objections to it in differing orders of importance but I think the net result is a collective mindset that constitutes a sweeping plurality who would absolutely oppose starting it and many who would refuse to join in after the fact.

sigma's rhetoric that the US wants it and Russia is trying to prevent it isn't based on reality.

[Sergeant Thorne]

I disagree with "absolutely oppose", but I was suggesting that it's not what the people in general want, but also that this fact doesn't mean Sigma is wrong. I know how people are. Most people can be manipulated and steered as long as it doesn't push them too far from a certain comfort zone. People are weak, and getting weaker, and they are also fairly indoctrinated, by-and-large. The majority of the people of the U.S. will not prevent WWIII, IMO. Russia I don't know about.

[callmeslick]

sigma, if the U.S. wanted to start WWIII you would have been notified.

notified or incinerated, either way he'd know about it.

[sigma]

As far as I know, the West dominates and constantly fueled by the ideology that the Slavs are animals (although Slavs is not only Russian) and they need to make slaves.
P.S. Funny!!! I just saw that in English Slavs and slaves is the same word !!!

[callmeslick]

where ever you saw that, Sigma, it's a lie. We have utterly NO bias, as a whole against Slavs, Slavic Culture, etc. Hell, most of Central PA and other regions were inhabited by Slavic immigrants over a century or more ago. Slavic foods are common in our Upper Midwest(Polish type sausages are de rigeur at football tailgate parties). You are, simply put, wrong,in your bizarre suppositions, Sigma. Slav and Slave are two words with VERY different meanings in the US.

[Will Robinson]

sigma, in my experience there has never been any kind of widespread racial prejudice toward 'Russians'. We consider eastern europeans generally in the same light as the anglo saxon roots of our own population. We are 'the same'.

In the 50's through the early 80's they were considered prime enemies but strictly for political reasons.
Russians lost their 'threat appeal' once the fall of the Soviet Union took place. Putin is trying to recreate that dynamic. My guess is because he is from that old school and senses the weakness in current american leadership so it makes sense. And because your economy needs a bogey man to blame the bad stuff on right now.

Your perceptions of us are shaped by the influence of Soviet/Russian propaganda.

[callmeslick]

Will has the background just about perfect,Sigma. You have to trust us, what you've been told is wrong.

[sigma]

sigma, if the U.S. wanted to start WWIII you would have been notified.

notified or incinerated, either way he'd know about it.

I will tell you a great secret. From the point of view of Russian - Americans is naive children.
Russia has long and constantly keeps his finger on the trigger. If you are tired of living well, declared war on Russia. Even if it is burned the whole territory of Russia, the only one nuclear submarine will be able to burn half of the United States. Although I think it would be the apocalypse, not war.

[sigma]

Will has the background just about perfect,Sigma. You have to trust us, what you've been told is wrong.

I think there are ways to make the world a better place. Not with fire and sword, and normal human understanding of common problems. People kill each other for hundreds of centuries. And now we, the generation of the 21st century, we can not make heaven on Earth? Well, let's continue to kill each other, if we are so stupid as Australopithecus.

[sigma]

I'll tell you simply and honestly. Now I'm really disappointed in the way of news Russia. It is even unpleasant to read. But I can say one thing - this propaganda machine has joined after the imposition of sanctions against Russia. Previously, for several years to provide objective and truthful information. Draw your own conclusions. This is a worrying sign, if Russia turn on the machine propaganda...

[callmeslick]

I think you mean to use the phrase 'ramps up' when you use 'turns on', Sigma.

[sigma]

Before, I did not see it. All that was before, it was just a jelly for brains. But it was true jelly. Now this is blatant propaganda to encourage patriotic feelings of the Russians. Such blatant false scares me already.

[Will Robinson]

...
Russia has long and constantly keeps his finger on the trigger. If you are tired of living well, declared war on Russia. Even if it is burned the whole territory of Russia, the only one nuclear submarine will be able to burn half of the United States. Although I think it would be the apocalypse, not war.

We're not so naive that we don't know that. Just look at our movies and books and television. The potential for nuclear apocalypse has been very deeply ingrained into the psyche of every child in america...going on for a couple generations now! Not even in fantasy do we entertain the notion that we can win the nuclear war.

The vast majority of americans don't see WWIII as a solution to anything. Not even the ambitious types who would like to see us spread our authority across the world think so.

The naivete is perhaps in the Russian that believes it when he is told Americans don't recognize the futility of a WWIII.

[Ferno]

Because you can't ?

nooooo, because it's stupid and laden with irony, given your track record of obamahate.