What can be said about these people?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:35 am

So according to TC white males that vote are racist just because they vote.
You'd make ol Al proud with that logic

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:58 pm

Too bad all those white males didn't vote when Obama first ran for President.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:08 pm

woodchip wrote:Too bad all those white males didn't vote when Obama first ran for President.

the fact that they did, and for Obama in significant numbers(both times) puts the lie to the 'got elected because he was black' thing, doesn't it?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:05 pm

callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:Too bad all those white males didn't vote when Obama first ran for President.
the fact that they did, and for Obama in significant numbers(both times) puts the lie to the 'got elected because he was black' thing, doesn't it?

not really. how many of them voted with a "sympathy" vote. I know of several

I told my wife that the 08 election was going to be historic no matter who one. in one case we would get the first Black President. in the other case we would have the first female Vice President

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:28 pm

CUDA wrote:So according to TC white males that vote are racist just because they vote.
You'd make ol Al proud with that logic

No, white males with racist inklings came out in force THIS TIME because they wanted to get rid of that failing black president they secretly disliked all along, based on their old racist biased model that black men aren't capable of making good leaders. They helped originally vote him in back in 2008 just to see if he would work out and make historic precedence. Buuuuuut I'm guessing they've became disillusioned after enough years of Obama failures, caused by all that Republican chicanery, double-crossing and obstinance, and have thus came to their racist conclusions that a black man just can't measure up to doing a white man's job and really does make a lousy leader and that now's the time to send him a message with this midterm and essentially tell him to go back to Kenya where they think he belongs. I bet if you got a Southern white working class male falling down drunk and asked him why he voted Republican in this midterm, you'd get a similar answer.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:44 pm

tunnelcat wrote:
CUDA wrote:So according to TC white males that vote are racist just because they vote.
You'd make ol Al proud with that logic
No, white males with racist inklings came out in force THIS TIME because they wanted to get rid of that failing black president they secretly disliked all along, based on their old racist biased model that black men aren't capable of making good leaders. They helped originally vote him in back in 2008 just to see if he would work out and make historic precedence. Buuuuuut I'm guessing they've became disillusioned after enough years of Obama failures, caused by all that Republican chicanery, double-crossing and obstinance, and have thus came to their racist conclusions that a black man just can't measure up to doing a white man's job and really does make a lousy leader and that now's the time to send him a message with this midterm and essentially tell him to go back to Kenya where they think he belongs. I bet if you got a Southern white working class male falling down drunk and asked him why he voted Republican in this midterm, you'd get a similar answer.

[cough]bull★■◆●[/cough]
those comments are SOOO racist in and of themselves that I dont even know where to begin.
you have absolutly NOTHING to base those accusations on except for hate.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:05 pm

Ah, deflection. The best tactic to use against someone pointing out someone else's own twisted ideals or faults. Turn the attack against the attacker and call it a win.

So I'm racist because I call the actual racists, RACISTS? Well, they are. A spade's called a spade, especially in the South. By the way CUDA, I'm in no way insinuating YOU are racist. I think you are more mature and thoughtful than that, so don't get all bent out of shape. And yes, there are white men who did vote against Obama because they genuinely think he's doing a bad job, not because he is black. What I'm doing is calling all those Southern white boys, who came out in mass and voted in this midterm a bunch of racists, because even in this day and age, quite a few of them are STILL racists, and they voted that way.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:06 pm

tc, you now officially make no sense at all.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:15 pm

This is what makes no sense. Calling someone a racist just for pointing out that many people in the U.S. still have this niggling denial, that there's no racism left anymore and that race doesn't influence their opinions, actions or dealings concerning black people.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:20 pm

callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:Too bad all those white males didn't vote when Obama first ran for President.
the fact that they did, and for Obama in significant numbers(both times) puts the lie to the 'got elected because he was black' thing, doesn't it?

No it doesnt.

I would bet my life that many, many, more people voted for him because he is black than there are people who voted against him because of it.
And I would also bet my life that more people who ever voted against him did so for non-race related reasons than there are those who voted against him because of race.

The problem this presents is, to accept it means you have to examine his policy and character etc. instead of have that convenient straw man to blame failure on. The persistant and usually inapplicable race card.

If the race card could stimulate the economy we would be a 1000x more wealthy nation. If every white racist in America voted against him in '08 he would still be President.
I doubt there are many registered white racists that stayed home in '08 or '12 they were a non factor.
Well...except in TC's nightmares, she apparently thinks the country is full of white racists. But then someone has to believe that crap don't they? If america had half the racists TC thinks are out there Obama would never have made it into the national spotlight at all.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:23 pm

tunnelcat wrote:This is what makes no sense. Calling someone a racist just for pointing out that many people in the U.S. still have this niggling denial, that there's no racism left anymore and that race doesn't influence their opinions, actions or dealings concerning black people.

It isn't pointing out that there are racists. It is the number of them that you think are out there making a difference. You have embraced the rhetoric like it was the word of god and now spout it like an born again overbearing evangelist!

There was a 3% uptick in white male votes in the last election, primarily working class people. That much is fact.
What evidence do you have that their motive was race? Give us something tangible, substantive, with a source other than some Dem blogger.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:16 pm

Will Robinson wrote:....There was a 3% uptick in white male votes in the last election, primarily working class people. That much is fact.
What evidence do you have that their motive was race? Give us something tangible, substantive, with a source other than some Dem blogger.

That's all it took, since the Dems pretty much sat out the midterms. As for proving their votes were based on racist views, I can't. Nya, nya. Yea, it's not reliable and it's my opinion IS based on observation over the last 6 years, but sixth senses and bullsh*t meters are sometimes pretty accurate. Anyway, who's going to tell their innermost racist secrets in public, to a pollster no less? It's such a loaded question nowadays that NO ONE would give an accurate answer, unless they're falling down drunk or stoned. Maybe we should take polls in bars during happy hour? Might get a few more accurate opinions and end this debate.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:47 pm

Anyone with any knowledge of history knows that this past midterm was nothing more or less than typical.

With all of the demographics and arrows were pointing in the Republican's favor, predicting the outcome was a piece of cake for just about every pundit.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:38 pm

tunnelcat wrote:... As for proving their votes were based on racist views, I can't. Nya, nya. Yea, it's not reliable and it's my opinion IS based on observation over the last 6 years, but sixth senses and bullsh*t meters are sometimes pretty accurate. ...

Your observations over the last 6 years don't include very many white men relative to the millions of white men who voted.
However, the rhetoric that you accept as acurate has told you for more than those 6 years that white conservative men are racist and sexist.
I've read your comments here for years and you have a great deal of predisposition toward supporting and furthering that narrative.

Also, the longer a group has been in power and under delivered on their promises the excuses they need to explain away their failure become necessarily more and more impressive in order to be a weighty enough obstacle to allow you to forgive your groups failure to overcome it.
A nation of racists! Perfect!

You can't really see them, pick them out of a crowd, none of them will tell you they are this monster.
You just know they are all there because of 6 years of....what exactly?

Well actually, with your own eyes, you've probably seen a relatively very few men display racist behavior.
You have however been told about swarms of them. Why there are whole southern states packed full of them!
And so now every setback or failure of the whole Democrat agenda has suffered can be laid at the feet of these millions of racist bogeymen.

You are fortunate to have such a willing disposition to fairy tales otherwise you might have to take some responsibility and question the storytellers motives.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:08 pm

Spidey wrote:Anyone with any knowledge of history knows that this past midterm was nothing more or less than typical.

With all of the demographics and arrows were pointing in the Republican's favor, predicting the outcome was a piece of cake for just about every pundit.

Pretty much. The party of a sitting second-term president generally tends to put in a poor showing in the midterms.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:43 am

tunnelcat wrote:
Will Robinson wrote:....There was a 3% uptick in white male votes in the last election, primarily working class people. That much is fact.
What evidence do you have that their motive was race? Give us something tangible, substantive, with a source other than some Dem blogger.
That's all it took, since the Dems pretty much sat out the midterms. As for proving their votes were based on racist views, I can't. Nya, nya. Yea, it's not reliable and it's my opinion IS based on observation over the last 6 years, but sixth senses and bullsh*t meters are sometimes pretty accurate. Anyway, who's going to tell their innermost racist secrets in public, to a pollster no less? It's such a loaded question nowadays that NO ONE would give an accurate answer, unless they're falling down drunk or stoned. Maybe we should take polls in bars during happy hour? Might get a few more accurate opinions and end this debate.

so the truth comes out. In TC's mind if you are a white male you are inherently a racist. Closet or open but still a racist. Because she "feels" there is no other reason to vote against Obama. News flash.....Obama wasnt on the last ballot TC, but as he so correctly pointed out, his policies were. And the American people have made it perfectly clear. If you supported those policies. You lost your job. your "6th sense and bull★■◆● meters" are just...well....bull★■◆●

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:50 pm

Ya know CUDA, that's the problem with racism. No one's going to admit to it, but it pretty much frames their opinions in private nowadays, and I'm willing to bet there's still a high percentage of white working class males who harbor at least some racist thoughts. Why else does this country still have issues concerning race? Why else are African Americans still getting pissed off at whites in this day and age? I'm quite sure they're not imaging things either.

Then there's this nice southern gentleman:

http://www.statecolumn.com/2014/12/cong ... ed-to-kkk/

Suuuuure he didn't know the group was racist. Either that, or he's stupid or lazy and never bothered to vet this group before he took their money. Neither interpretation is charitable.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:53 pm

CLASSIC. deny your racism by pointing at others.

LOOK over there a butterfly

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:08 pm

After watching a documentary on "soul food", I'm convinced that the "racism" we hear about today is either petty, political bull★■◆●, or just assholes being assholes. It bears little resemblance to the racism of the past. Black people have their freedom. Equal footing is theirs for the taking. The people of this country, by-and-large, are past any racism associated with the early chapters of our country. Now the niggers and rednecks of this country just need to wise up and strive to attain to being civilized human beings.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:41 pm

CUDA wrote:CLASSIC. deny your racism by pointing at others.

LOOK over there a butterfly

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Well, I didn't make a speech to a bunch of KKK racists, so it's not my fault some idiot congressman just screwed up his political career and looked like a racist doing it. My conscience is clean personally. You can yell at me all you want, but it's not going to change my mind. Is your conscience clean CUDA, since you seem to be getting so worked up about this, like I'm attacking you personally? Are you the noble knight riding in on horseback, swinging your gallant sword, lopping off the heads of anyone calling a white a racist, just to defend the virtue every white guy in this country, like they're all angels of purity, goodness and niceness? Well, wake up, not all of them are, just as not all blacks are not pillars of virtue either. You're thinking like it's our tribe against their tribe. But in the end, we're all human beings, ONE TRIBE.

ST just proved my point. Blacks still don't have full equality. They still can't even escape the "n" word. If racism was dead, on the white front, we wouldn't have groups like the KKK or EURO or Aryan Nations or Christian Identity or idiots like David Duke hanging around like poison slime rotting our civilization from within. On the black front, we wouldn't have the New Black Panthers or the New Black Liberation Militia fighting back for every pecieved slight or incident. It's always US against THEM. Look how long it's taken this one mixed race black woman to gain back her title and right to ride on a damn parade float, (gasp) in front of other white people, like she's a pariah? 60 effing years to right a wrong! Shame on this country.

http://www.laprogressive.com/joan-williams-rose-queen/

Denial is a blanket that we wrap around ourselves, all to insulate us from the cold reality of our own bad thoughts, behaviors and ideologies.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:50 pm

OH LOOK another butterfly.

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:58 pm

Did I say it was dead, TC? It's a different animal. Racism is political fodder, and the sad legacy of a segment of a dying generation. People who try to tout it as a modern problem that needs to be tackled are crying wolf when there is only a stray, mange dog dying of starvation. I can't believe you just said they need to be able to escape a word. Are these grown-ups we're talking about, or are black adults some kind of children that you and I (society) need to take care of?

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:22 pm

tunnelcat wrote:...

Well, I didn't make a speech to a bunch of KKK racists, so it's not my fault some idiot congressman just screwed up his political career and looked like a racist doing it. ..

hundreds of millions of people and you pick a few anecdotal incidents and claim you have observed everyone and know all their hearts.

Haven't you ever stopped to play devils advocate with your own perception?!? Try it now: If the country has so many racist white boys that elections are theirs for the taking how the hell could that stupid congressman have hurt his career?!?
You are a fountain of ill-logic.

tunnelcat wrote:...My conscience is clean personally. ....

No, your conscious is on permanent vacation so it doesn't have to deal with how far from reality you have allowed yourself to have been led.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:39 pm

Sergeant Thorne wrote:Did I say it was dead, TC? It's a different animal. Racism is political fodder, and the sad legacy of a segment of a dying generation. People who try to tout it as a modern problem that needs to be tackled are crying wolf when there is only a stray, mange dog dying of starvation. I can't believe you just said they need to be able to escape a word. Are these grown-ups we're talking about, or are black adults some kind of children that you and I (society) need to take care of?

That's where you're wrong. Racism is not dead, it's still alive and kicking, although I agree it's not as flagrant as it was in the past. It's become more insidious and buried. It still trolls the underbelly of our society like a hidden cancer. It's still alive for the people who are it's targets. Blacks don't want to be treated like children nor do they need to be taken care of. They just need respect as fellow human beings. Give people respect and they will respect you in return.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:02 pm

tunnelcat wrote: They just need respect as fellow human beings. Give people respect and they will respect you in return.

That’s what my parents told me in regards to dealing with police, and in fact…it works every time.*

*When I was young, I had quite a few run-ins with police, because I was hell on wheels. (hot-rodder)

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:02 pm

... aaaaaannnnnd Istilldidn'tsayitwasdead.

Anyway... examples in your experience?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:24 am

Will Robinson wrote:
tunnelcat wrote:...

Well, I didn't make a speech to a bunch of KKK racists, so it's not my fault some idiot congressman just screwed up his political career and looked like a racist doing it. ..
hundreds of millions of people and you pick a few anecdotal incidents and claim you have observed everyone and know all their hearts.

hilarious. For years, you have done the exact thing regarding 'liberals' and the like.

Haven't you ever stopped to play devils advocate with your own perception?!? Try it now: If the country has so many racist white boys that elections are theirs for the taking how the hell could that stupid congressman have hurt his career?!?

how has he hurt his career? He is majority whip of the House.

You are a fountain of ill-logic.

ouch! The irony!!

No, your conscious is on permanent vacation so it doesn't have to deal with how far from reality you have allowed yourself to have been led.

another irony alert.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:24 am

Slick, it would give your words some weight if there were examples to support them as something other than another baseless slick declaration. But instead your words are just wind.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:39 am

Will Robinson wrote:Slick, it would give your words some weight if there were examples to support them as something other than another baseless slick declaration. But instead your words are just wind.

it would take me until February to regurgitate the examples you provided daily in 2014. Speaking of wind......

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:26 am

Well then simply pick the single most appropriate example that applies to the allegation you made. That shouldn't take long at all, perhaps a few minutes, considering you claim to have so many readily available....

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:55 am

not even a perfect example, but on April 7 you typed this gem, Will:

Will Robinson wrote:Speculation on my part but based on years of observing the phenomenon. This group that almost, in fact may yet have, killed the driver wouldn't have done what they did if not for the community agitation tactics that keep their anger boiling to the brim so it can be tapped to serve their 'leaders'. ...

what was hilarious is HOW I pulled this up. I did a search for your threads in which you used the word 'race'. There are 348 of them. Obsess a bit?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:35 am

I think Will may have meant for you to bring up examples disproving what he says instead of just issuing ever more hyperbole.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:40 am

callmeslick wrote:not even a perfect example, but on April 7 you typed this gem, Will:

Will Robinson wrote:Speculation on my part but based on years of observing the phenomenon. This group that almost, in fact may yet have, killed the driver wouldn't have done what they did if not for the community agitation tactics that keep their anger boiling to the brim so it can be tapped to serve their 'leaders'. ...
what was hilarious is HOW I pulled this up. I did a search for your threads in which you used the word 'race'. There are 348 of them. Obsess a bit?

Slick, for you to draw that conclusion you would have to know how many times in my life I've had a conversation about subjects other than race. Data that you don't have.

In fact, based on your search the only thing you can accurately say is I've mentioned race here on the DBB that many times. Everything else you just implied..."obsession" etc. is speculation. You are just as illogical as TC...

And in that example did you notice that I prefaced my assertion in that comment with the qualifier that it was only speculation on my part? The very first thing I said in fact was to inform the readers that I was offering a guess.
Now you contrast that with TC and her saying white racists were the reason the Dems lost the mid terms and when challenged she dismissed opinions on other motives for the voting and instead offered numerous 'sources' of racist 'evidence', polling etc.before she finally admitted she was actually operating on pure personal perception.
So there is an important difference.

As to statistics here on the DBB....

callmeslick has 4.91 posts per day....
I have 1.73 per day

Put callmeslick in as author and the word "republican" or "tea party" or "conservative" and you have 496 times you have used those terms.
I have been posting since 2000....14 years.
You since 2011, 3 years, and yet you have more posts on the repub/conservative/tea party than I have on race.

But honestly I don't know if you are obsessed. Definitely busily posting about them though.

Now, to get back in context, do a search on the democrat party and democrat politicians who use "race" in their rhetoric and tell me who is 'obsessed' with race....

And although woodchip is absolutely correct, I was asking for an honest discussion from slick I know better than to expect one. So many of those instances where I used the word "race" were in response to slick, vision, TC, etc where they introduced the topic of race and needed to be corrected. Maybe I am obsessed with people who exploit it, who use it as a weapon to do damage to our society for their political party's benefit. I'll own that aspect of the charge, no problem.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:41 pm

Someone needs to learn how search works.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:56 pm

CUDA wrote:OH LOOK another butterfly.

Awful lot of butterfies isn't it? I think there's a pretty good sized kaleidoscope of them to pick from....STILL TODAY.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:21 am

Oh look at that... another dick measuring contest.

this is why EnC sucks.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:48 am

Spidey wrote:Someone needs to learn how search works.

likely quite true, but then, I'd have to give a ★■◆●. I was in a hurry to head to the grandchildren's for New Years Eve childcare duties,
and was simply astounded that Will would deny freqently generalizing upon very small samples, and frequently NO samples(only
his best estimates, or his gut feelings or whatever). The day I spend oodles of time figuring out the technical details of the BB is the
day I have WAY too much time on my hands.

vision · Post by **vision** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:14 pm

callmeslick wrote:The day I spend oodles of time figuring out the technical details of the BB is the day I have WAY too much time on my hands.

Pro Tip: Don't bother with the native search function because it sucks. Use google's site search feature instead. Example:

Code: Select all

site:http://descentbb.net YourSearchTerm

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:28 pm

A more important tip for slick:
If you plan to draw conclusions and make assertions based on your search results use logic and integrity as well for a change.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:50 pm

I'm waiting for you to use logic or demonstrate integrity once, Will. So far, still nothing.