and Ebola was such a concern, why?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:21 am

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-flu ... ar-BBhmuwO

oh yeah, because people from Africa were the 'threat' and somehow this tied in with illegal immigrants in an election year.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:16 am

I'm sure if you could make people forget the flu viruses are already here and then tie the possibility of incoming migration of a deadly virus to some negligent policy of the republicans you could get the political traction you would celebrate and exploit with joy.

And thanks for the laugh. A democrat whining about fear mongering over policy!
Such raw shameless hypocrisy never ceases to amaze and amuse.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:38 am

spare us, Will. The Ebola 'scare' tactics were all over the airwaves down here a couple months back. It was BS then, and nothing you've written above makes that different.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:30 am

I haven't made any claims that there was no talk of it in the media. I simply pointed out your hypocrisy in whining about it. And now you are just whining more.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:53 am

In my opinion, you forget that the first Ebola in the United States was brought infected American who worked as a nurse in Africa.
You know better than me that the US perceives and inspect new migrants and even tourists from other countries, almost like a monster from the movie "Aliens". Therefore, for what purpose and to whom it was advantageous to create hysteria in the press about the incurable disease of African, I think no need to explain to anyone.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:58 am

sigma wrote:In my opinion, you forget that the first Ebola in the United States was brought infected American who worked as a nurse in Africa.
You know better than me that the US perceives and inspect new migrants and even tourists from other countries, almost like a monster from the movie "Aliens". Therefore, for what purpose and to whom it was advantageous to create hysteria in the press about the incurable disease of African, I think no need to explain to anyone.

the impetus was an election, in which one side rabidly tried to paint the administration as out-of-control. Suddenly, the election ended and Ebola wasn't all that bad, immigration at the border was sort of lower than historically the case, the economy was picking up further steam and international matters were being handled quite well.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:01 am

callmeslick wrote:
sigma wrote:In my opinion, you forget that the first Ebola in the United States was brought infected American who worked as a nurse in Africa.
You know better than me that the US perceives and inspect new migrants and even tourists from other countries, almost like a monster from the movie "Aliens". Therefore, for what purpose and to whom it was advantageous to create hysteria in the press about the incurable disease of African, I think no need to explain to anyone.
the impetus was an election, in which one side rabidly tried to paint the administration as out-of-control. Suddenly, the election ended and Ebola wasn't all that bad, immigration at the border was sort of lower than historically the case, the economy was picking up further steam and international matters were being handled quite well.

It is quite likely. Although with high probability also we can assume that the virus entry into the United States by the American employees, volunteers, soldiers who come from other countries, but for some reason it is not considered as a biological threat.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:38 am

callmeslick wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-flu ... ar-BBhmuwO

oh yeah, because people from Africa were the 'threat' and somehow this tied in with illegal immigrants in an election year.

Perhaps you should take a look at the instances of whooping cough since all those immigrant children were foisted upon our school systems...a condition rarely seen prior to their arrival.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:45 am

Whooping Cough outbreaks are pretty cyclical, Woody. In my years in the lab, waves would come through every 3-4 years, never in really high numbers.
Are you seriously trying to malign aiding migrant children, fleeing armed drug gangs for the most part? Seriously? Got a lot out of those Christmas sermons and related messages, didn't we?

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:32 pm

I guess this is where we are all supposed to pretend only right wing media was doing the Ebola shuffle.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:27 pm

I do not get tired to be surprised. Just yesterday, in the 19th century, people did not have soap, medicine, dentists, etc., etc. Parents to send their child to the woods to his devoured by wolves, but to a sick child is not infected their other children. Because instead of doctors were only sorcerers and witch-doctors. And today, when people simply do not have problems mainly compared to our ancestors, we still manage to find themselves new problems. And by the way, basically, it makes the United States. For the whole world. Either they defend democracy or natsionatsionalnuyu security or independence of other countries, but that the Americans are doing in the world, it becomes bad for everyone. Including Americans. US is some sort of Resident Evil. A country that considers itself the best example, behaves as General Secretary of the Communist Party of Kampuchea at home.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:34 am

woodchip wrote:Perhaps you should take a look at the instances of whooping cough since all those immigrant children were foisted upon our school systems...a condition rarely seen prior to their arrival.

Did you just seriously try to blame the latest bout of whooping cough on immigrants?

LOL. thanks for the laugh dude. I can always count on you to say something absurd.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:44 am

Spidey wrote:I guess this is where we are all supposed to pretend only right wing media was doing the Ebola shuffle.

oh, hell no! That was across a host of media.......and, if one looked, there WERE plenty of voices of reason to be found. However, only one wing of the political spectrum used it as an electoral scare tool, only one wing of the spectrum used it to justify xenophobia and freak out over Mexican immigrants.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:33 pm

Oh you mean like how one wing of the spectrum used Healthcare, Race, Government shut downs, the Environment and so on and so on and so on as scare tactics?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:48 pm

get out much, my friend? Healthcare(Obamacare) has been a stock in trade of the right wing lie machine. Race, the environment get used by both sides for different points. Frankly, the Dems do 'scare tactics' poorly, if they even try. That is definitely a GOP stock-in-trade. This election cycle was a classic, chock full of made-up or overblown hysteria.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:55 pm

CUDA wrote:Oh you mean like how one wing of the spectrum used Healthcare, Race, Government shut downs, the Environment and so on and so on and so on as scare tactics?

irony with a capital HFS.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:45 pm

The virus of American foreign policy thinking is much worse than Ebola and bubonic plague. If the Negro only farted in Africa, the US immediately protested and sent an aircraft carrier to the coast of Africa. Nobody in the world to use nuclear weapons to deter preventive except the United States. Look, bitches, how many millions of these same girls you blew in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:20 pm

callmeslick wrote:get out much, my friend? Healthcare(Obamacare) has been a stock in trade of the right wing lie machine. Race, the environment get used by both sides for different points. Frankly, the Dems do 'scare tactics' poorly, if they even try. That is definitely a GOP stock-in-trade. This election cycle was a classic, chock full of made-up or overblown hysteria.

Maybe you should read something other then the left wing blogs and salon magazine ***SHRUG***

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:43 pm

CUDA wrote:
callmeslick wrote:get out much, my friend? Healthcare(Obamacare) has been a stock in trade of the right wing lie machine. Race, the environment get used by both sides for different points. Frankly, the Dems do 'scare tactics' poorly, if they even try. That is definitely a GOP stock-in-trade. This election cycle was a classic, chock full of made-up or overblown hysteria.
Maybe you should read something other then the left wing blogs and salon magazine ***SHRUG***

as you well know, I do. That is why I'm pretty confident saying so. In fact, I have written on 'left wing blogs' to the effect that the left needs to learn how to scare people as well as the right does at election time.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:55 pm

callmeslick wrote:... Frankly, the Dems do 'scare tactics' poorly, if they even try. ...

You better look up the definition of "Frankly" because you used it completely opposite of the way the world works.
Maybe 'facetiously' was what you were looking for?

Was it republicans or democrats that used the ad on black TV and radio stations that said:

''When you don't vote, you let another church explode... another cross to burn... "?

Lol

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:34 am

Was it a Republican or a Democrat leaning group that made a commercial that showed a current member of congress pushing granny off a cliff?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:41 am

Was it a Republican or a Democrat that talked about women being forced into back alley abortions?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:46 am

Was it a Republican or a Democrat that wrote "an inconvenient truth"

ya the Democrats use scare tactics poorly

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:08 am

CUDA wrote:Was it a Republican or a Democrat leaning group that made a commercial that showed a current member of congress pushing granny off a cliff?

Which pushed Death Panels, like they were actually true?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:09 am

CUDA wrote:Was it a Republican or a Democrat that talked about women being forced into back alley abortions?

Read the statistics around the issue, then answer:
is that, or isn't that true? Telling the truth about an issue isn't 'scare tactics', CUDA.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:12 am

CUDA wrote:Was it a Republican or a Democrat that wrote "an inconvenient truth"

ya the Democrats use scare tactics poorly

once again, not a campaign tool. Once again, although some inaccuracies, the subject matter dealt with is a real problem. Anyone denying it,
denies the validity of science, and in many cases defies common sense. Once again, scare tactics are when FALSEHOODS or highly unlikely scenarios
get presented as truth. Failed in both attempts I pointed out. Your point about granny and the cliff is valid, although IMO ineffective when it was used, speaking to my point about doing scare tactics badly.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:42 am

Well, if it can be said that Republicans play off of people's fear, then it can surely be said that Democrats play off of people’s greed…with pandering.

I can’t say one is worse than the other, because the results in both cases can lead to problems, even disaster.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:31 am

Slick. You are so absolutely full of ★■◆● on this issue. Just try for once being a man and admit it.

ooooooOOOOOoooohhhh the Republicans are better at scare tactics. How juvenile can you get?

both sides do it. Only being disingenuous would cause someone to spin one side was better than the other.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:47 am

callmeslick wrote:
CUDA wrote:Was it a Republican or a Democrat that talked about women being forced into back alley abortions?
Read the statistics around the issue, then answer:
is that, or isn't that true? Telling the truth about an issue isn't 'scare tactics', CUDA.

statistics say you are full of ★■◆● here too. There are no "back alley" abortions, people just cross state lines.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:49 am

callmeslick wrote:
CUDA wrote:Was it a Republican or a Democrat that wrote "an inconvenient truth"

ya the Democrats use scare tactics poorly
once again, not a campaign tool. Once again, although some inaccuracies, the subject matter dealt with is a real problem. Anyone denying it,
denies the validity of science, and in many cases defies common sense. Once again, scare tactics are when FALSEHOODS or highly unlikely scenarios
get presented as truth. Failed in both attempts I pointed out. Your point about granny and the cliff is valid, although IMO ineffective when it was used, speaking to my point about doing scare tactics badly.

liar or ignorant which one is it?

hell even the HufPo says it's a scare tactic

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:15 am

read it, saw it for what it was(a layman alarmed by incoming science, if one wished to distill it to a single phrase), and calling for action globally.

vision · Post by **vision** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:52 pm

CUDA wrote:...the Republicans are better at scare tactics. How juvenile can you get?

Stating facts is juvenile? No wonder half this board is anti-science. And remember, Slick was calling for Democrats to get better at scare tactics because there is success to be had. Of course, that's not the same as using it a main tactic.

CUDA wrote:There are no "back alley" abortions, people just cross state lines.

Right, because everyone who wants an abortion has the means to take a couple days off for an out-of-state procedure. Idiot. Lack of abortion access leads to mothers engaging in self-harm in order to cause a miscarriage which drives up heath care costs for everyone.

CUDA wrote:hell even the HufPo says it's a scare tactic

The good news is, it doesn't matter if it is a scare tactic or not. Every government in the world has accepted a certain degree of responsibility for climate change and the science is finally winning where it matters (with governments, not idiot citizens), though there is still a long way to go in a short time.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:35 pm

No one on this board is “anti-science” that’s just a good example of a political device to paint a person to look more extreme than they really are, so as to avoid debating with the actual person, and a straw man instead.

I would say there are some science skeptical people on this board, and as much as I love science, I have to consider myself among them. (mostly when it comes to politically charged subjects)

Oh, as to facts can’t be “scare tactics” lol…the facts can be the scary part…

(but I knew someone would try to state that their side has the "facts"…and the “other” side has the “scare tactics”...doh.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:13 am

CUDA wrote:[e]statistics say you are full of **** here too. There are no "back alley" abortions, people just cross state lines.

you have to be kidding....and I say that, sadly, for the reasons vision stated. Most abortions are performed on poor women who cannot afford to raise the children, and they sure as hell can't afford to take a week off and travel a few hundred miles. That was scary-dumb, CUDA, really. You can do better.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:06 am

Yes I'm sure they are using dirty coat hangers too.

ya the left sucks at scare tactics

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:09 am

CUDA wrote:Yes I'm sure they are using dirty coat hangers too.

ya the left sucks at scare tactics

um, no, they're using 'doctors' operating out of apartments and storefronts with no medical or other safety precautions. It happens EVERY day,in most EVERY state. You know my position: if you wish to ban abortions, then step up and pay serious money to care for children, house, feed and clothe the poor, and, well, run this nation like the Christian Nation some like to proclaim this to be. Until then, you are advocating for butchery of the poor.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:24 am

callmeslick wrote:
CUDA wrote:Yes I'm sure they are using dirty coat hangers too.

ya the left sucks at scare tactics
Until then, you are advocating for butchery of the poor.

Wait, didn't go through a big war on women rant by the left about birth control? Are there so many abortions going on because birth control is not available or women are really stupid for not taking precautions? No one is advocating "butchery" other than the fear mongers on the left to win the female vote.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:47 am

Scare tactics.

your argument to unadulterated bull★■◆●. There is planned parenthood in every state. That is NOT back alley.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:15 am

Modern american politics is primarily scare tactics. Polarize the electorate with the proper rhetoric and rush them to the polls....rinse repeat...

slick is just so invested in protecting one half of that problem that he has has no shame in proclaiming extreme absurdity when backed into a corner. He pisses down your back and gets all indignant if you challenge his assertion that it is merely a gentle cleansing rainfall that you are feeling.
There really is no conversation to be had with him, at best he is just a useful prop if you want to point out the depths some people will go in defense of the indefensible.

vision · Post by **vision** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:50 pm

CUDA wrote:Yes I'm sure they are using dirty coat hangers too.

This comment makes me think you might actually be the stupidest person on this board. Do you really believe the words you type or is it just for dramatic effect? I can't tell.