We find this out from the Russians?

[Tunnelcat]

NSA spyware has been found buried inside the hard-drive firmware from most of the worlds major hard drive makers like Seagate, Western Digital and Toshiba, thanks to Kaspersky Labs, a RUSSIAN company. You can bet that this spyware is probably installed on the HDD's of most American computers too since these companies had to be complicit with the NSA to get it installed. Say hello to Big Brother of the World and more hatred for the U.S. and U.S. companies.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/ ... QV20150216

[sigma]

What brazen Russian propaganda...

[Sergeant Thorne]

What brazen Russian propaganda...

LOL

[callmeslick]

that was funny, Sigma.

[Tunnelcat]

At least sigma had a sense of humor with this one, even though I was actually praising the Russians for outing the NSA spooks.

[sigma]

This is not surprising, given the fact that Eugene Kaspersky was educated at the Institute of Cryptography, Telecommunications and Computer Science of The FSB Academy

[Tunnelcat]

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard congratulating your country sigma. The Russians and Chinese have most of the world's criminal cyber battalions out there spreading their evil malware, spyware and hack attacks, all to take over personal and corporate computers like little soldiers of fortune in a cyber war sanctioned by their own states.

http://time.com/3087768/the-worlds-5-cy ... -hotspots/

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... ns/105498/

[sigma]

Are you sure that cyber criminals are living only in Russia and China, not in Portland, Oregon? In my opinion, the former employees of Intel, Real Networks and Microsoft have a good motivation and qualified to earn illegal money this way

[woodchip]

TC said "most" not "all"

[sigma]

Cyber crime is not a sign of a certain nationality or citizenship.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/ ... N120150218

Canadians are also quite successfully write codes for malware. The only difference is that Canadians are working efficiently, but slowly, the Chinese are fast, but a lot of bugs in programs. Russian programmers work quickly, efficiently and effectively just because of the existing of some specific features of the Russian mentality in Russia.

[woodchip]

Sigma slowly builds up to his countrymen being the new Aryan Herrenvolk.

[sigma]

Russian programmer who works for example, in a large software company in the US, this is not a Russian programmer already, and climber and a schemer who is too afraid of losing his job. That you understand what I mean.

[woodchip]

Russian programmer who works for example, in a large software company in the US, this is not a Russian programmer already, and climber and a schemer who is too afraid of losing his job. That you understand what I mean.

Ummm...wat? How does this relate to the price of tea in China?

[sigma]

In China, nearly same hard conditions of life, as in the West. In Russia, just more freedom and independence, about the conditions of life, that's all. Independent talented people do not work, and are engaged in pure creativity.

[sigma]

Ummm...wat? How does this relate to the price of tea in China?

How does this your post relate with the original topic of discussion?

[Tunnelcat]

Sorry sigma, I was a little wrong. It looks like China, Indonesia and the U.S. are the major players in the world cyberwar. This live map is very interesting to watch. Russia is mostly silent, except for some bursts of activity now and then. Maybe if I watched it when it was daytime in Russia, the map might look different. I wonder who that little dot is in the South Atlantic doing so much attacking?

Live Hacker Attack Map

http://www.businessinsider.com/animated ... ing-2014-6

Russia and China are the most dangerous for smart phone users however.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ne-attacks

Then we have a major corporation deliberately installing malware on brand new systems, all to serve the user stupid ads.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/lenovo-has-b ... 06919.html

[Foil]

Ummm...wat? How does this relate to the price of tea in China?

How does this your post relate with the original topic of discussion?

Sigma, the phrase, "What's that got to do with the price of [eggs / tea in China / etc.]?" is an English idiom used to respond to something irrelevant. [Interestingly, it appears to originate from a line in a Russian play.]

[sigma]

Ummm...wat? How does this relate to the price of tea in China?

How does this your post relate with the original topic of discussion?

Sigma, the phrase, "What's that got to do with the price of [eggs / tea in China / etc.]?" is an English idiom used to respond to something irrelevant. [Interestingly, it appears to originate from a line in a Russian play.]

THX

[sigma]

I wonder who that little dot is in the South Atlantic doing so much attacking?

Apparently, it Bouvet Island, but 93% of the territory is covered by glaciers...


Rico, she declassified our location!




P.S. Damn, even the Penguins are attacking America...

[Tunnelcat]

When that little dot sends out an attack, it's labeled as mil/gov. What the hell IS that place?

[sigma]

The first thought that occurred that mil/gov transcript as military/government. I get lost in different guesses what it might mean.
I think this is a good question to send it on TV show Jeopardy! and earn some money

[sigma]

In short, to all appearances, that little dot is called as mil/gov has no relation to geographical location. Apparently, it's just generalized information about domains .mil and .gov.
Since this virtual map gathers and displays information about cyber attacks not real objects, and the artificial "traps" that simulate real-world objects, Thus, it is seen that governmental organizations in the US* is also actively use cyber attacks on other resources, because they also fall into the "traps" (moreover, including and mainly in the USA). This dot is located at this point world map just for convenience.
Although, of course, this is just my personal guess.

* Note:
# The .mil domain is reserved exclusively for the United States Military. It is operated by the US DoD Network Information Center.
# The .gov domain is reserved exclusively for the United States Government. It is operated by the US General Services Administration.

[woodchip]

Since TC outed the island, look for her to mysteriously disappear and this board to do likewise

[Tunnelcat]

Since TC outed the island, look for her to mysteriously disappear and this board to do likewise

You'd better worry if I DO disappear. You might be next if you say something the government doesn't like when you go into a tea party rant on your smart phone.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015 ... sim-heist/

sigma, I thought the same thing, U.S. military/government base of some sort. I mean, who else is stupid enough to get labeled with the moniker mil/gov on a net hacker map that the whole world, and our enemies, can see? Now we know where all those billions of our tax dollars go, a spy base on some antarctic Godforsaken ice ball of an island out in the middle of nowhere that you know requires a nuclear reactor just to run.

[Spidey]

I doubt my old phone even has encryption, the land lines don’t use encryption either. (unless you are using a digital service like VOIP.

If you are dumb enough to talk about blowing things up on your cell, you deserve to be caught.

NOTE TO ALL…privacy is a myth, in the electronic age.

[sigma]

This does not mean that the idea of constant surveillance of you should turn you into a paranoid.
I think I came up with a good way to deal with total surveillance in electronic age. We all need not be afraid that something dangerous to speak, on the contrary, we should not limit yourself any words. Especially when talking on the phone and on the Internet. In this case, the spyware servers will simply overwhelmed by the sheer number of quasi "dangerous" information. They do not have enough staff to process and respond to the more such a large number of "potential criminals" and thus total surveillance would be just a very expensive useless toy.

For example, to send SMS to each other or to say over the phone: "brothers Wahhabis! Today my nuclear missile I f*cked employee NBA with shahid suicide belt-terrorist, we called the FBI and was told that we have laid the explosives in the White House, because we hate Obama and his family. It was the most fabulous sex in my life! Let's drink on this occasion this glass of blood Jen Psaki!"

Add: I just typed query into the search bar of browser: "how to make explosives..." and immediately appeared search suggestions:
"how to make explosives at home"
"how to make explosives improvised"
"how to make homemade explosives"
"how to make homemade explosives video"

[sigma]

... and our enemies, can see?

It's interesting, whom you consider your enemies? Muslim terrorists? US buys oil in Saudi Arabia, which is the main center and source of an extremist Islam. In other words, the United States themselves are sponsoring terrorism with which they are fighting.
Maybe Russians? I do not see any reason to fear Russia. Tell at least one event that can qualify Russia as an aggressor. China is not aggressive. India is not aggressive. Generally no one aggressive except the United States.

[Tunnelcat]

Don't discount China. They're big, focused on growing even bigger and have the economic and military clout to become the new world superpower, and the U.S. is helping to pay for it. Plus, they don't like the U.S., so we're just their stepping stone to world domination. What I can't figure out is why we trade with China, who is still a communist nation, but then we snub and villify Russia, who has left communism behind.

As for buying oil from countries that hate us, greed and necessity know no enemies. Our people want to drive their cars and our economy depends on the stuff and everyone's too disconnected or disinterested from the reality of world politics to realize we are selling ourselves to our enemies just to get that precious oil. Someday, that will end. Glad I won't be around when that day comes.

[sigma]

Hmmm. Show me a person outside the United States, who loves the United States... As for domination in the world, I'd like to see in this role rather China, not the US. And it's not because I feel a personal antipathy toward the United States. US has just completely and utterly discredited themselves corruption in business and politics in the eyes of the international community.
I think, for you it is no secret that the cumbersome and inefficient system of global surveillance and eavesdropping total, established by retired US generals and officials of the privatized state structures under their leadership, which were transferred into an armchair CEOs and lobbyists, and engaged there basically pumping state funds into the pockets of corporations with the right political connections, for example, in the Democratic Party in the Senate and Senate Republicans, who by the way have the same general sponsor - Comcast and AT & T - the largest and most valued partners in the organization of the government totally spy on citizens. While in China for corruption punishable by even the supreme measure - the death penalty. Since 2000, China executed for corruption about 10 thousand officials, another 120 thousand were 10-20 years in prison.

With regard to energy resources, nobody forces you to work with your enemy. You can buy oil in Russia. Not necessarily completely dependent on Russia. But for a while, the United States could well deprive the Islamic terrorist organizations in the Middle East, the main source of their income.
But, for some unknown reason, the United States prefer to impose economic sanctions against the European Union (In the sense that the United States forced the EU to impose sanctions against Russia (why against Russia, I do not understand, because the centers of international terrorism are not in Russia, and even not in Ukraine, and in Arab countries), and Russia, of course, introduces more severe sanctions against the EU).

[Tunnelcat]

Hmmm. Show me a person outside the United States, who loves the United States...

Well, how come so many people want to immigrate to the U.S. then? We have trouble keeping them out most of the time.

As for domination in the world, I'd like to see in this role rather China, not the US. And it's not because I feel a personal antipathy toward the United States. US has just completely and utterly discredited themselves corruption in business and politics in the eyes of the international community.
I think, for you it is no secret that the cumbersome and inefficient system of global surveillance and eavesdropping total, established by retired US generals and officials of the privatized state structures under their leadership, which were transferred into an armchair CEOs and lobbyists, and engaged there basically pumping state funds into the pockets of corporations with the right political connections, for example, in the Democratic Party in the Senate and Senate Republicans, who by the way have the same general sponsor - Comcast and AT & T - the largest and most valued partners in the organization of the government totally spy on citizens. While in China for corruption punishable by even the supreme measure - the death penalty. Since 2000, China executed for corruption about 10 thousand officials, another 120 thousand were 10-20 years in prison.

Believe me, you wouldn't want to live under Chinese rule. A good friend of my husband's, who went to college here and who is native Chinese, left that country and refuses to ever go back. He hates the repressive government over there and he likes the environment and opportunity in the U.S. for his 2 daughters. Plus, the Chinese may be cracking down on corruption, but they're not even close to getting it under control. It's part of their culture. Why do you think a lot of companies in the U.S. are bringing back our jobs TO the U.S. now? It's because of the local corruption in China. It's so rampant that most Chinese think it's part of doing business. I don't eat any food that originates from China because of their corrupt food practices that allow tainted food to reach the consumer, even lowly pet food.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingl ... vereignty/

http://www.manufacturing.net/news/2014/ ... ption-case

http://www.infowars.com/chinas-food-pro ... practices/

With regard to energy resources, nobody forces you to work with your enemy...

You don't understand capitalist markets. They're mercenary and not the least bit concerned where their profits come from. If they could make money off of ISIS, they would sell their souls and find a way. The Saudis sell us oil because they have a lot of it and the blind U.S. consumer is willing to overlook the Saudi brutal backward culture just so they can drive their cars to the store, take their kids to school and run our entire economy. Russia wouldn't want to sell it to the U.S. anyway. It's a limited precious resource. We'd just take it, burn it in our vehicles, make more plastics and chemicals and leave your country with high oil prices. Russia would do better to keep it for themselves and for the future, when the Middle East and the continental U.S. finally runs out of oil and we come crying and pleading to Russia for more oil. THEN you would have some pretty good leverage against us. Russia just needs patience.

[sigma]

I'm not arguing that the United States is a good shelter for dissidents. But they are just as little as the rich people who just want to have a second citizenship and invest in real estate, for example. In fact, it is always sad when people are forced to immigrate to other countries, including the United States, not only because they are ambitious professionals who are looking for new prospects, but also because the US declared them terrorists and bombed their home. As a result, the developed countries, receive a stream of refugees and immigrants from other countries where than the deserts and mountains of nothing, where hard to survive, but at least it was their homeland. Now home to the descendants of these immigrants will be the US and Europe mainly. Therefore, the developed countries have such problems you are talking about, that ordinary Americans, Germans or French are already groaning from what they have to feed illiterate, or, at best, unskilled immigrants who can not find work in the new place of residence.
Another reason why the poor immigrants tend in the US or Europe, but not in Russia, for example. Because in the US or Europe, they can pretty well live on the dole. In Russia, it is impossible to live on the dole. While finding a job is no problem. For unskilled workers is always a lot of work. They will receive about $ 800 a month. With this money, it is quite possible to feed a family of four.
There is another category of immigrants from the United States, Britain, France, Holland, Switzerland, Norway, Italy, etc. As a rule, these immigrants are selling their homes and businesses and move to live in Russia, because having been here once, they can not and do not want to live in their homeland. They marry Russian women, plant family, called their children traditional Russian names, in short, after a while, they not only consider themselves Russian, but they have become real Russian. Often their relatives at home consider them fools that they exchanged wealthy countries to live in Russia. And they, in turn, consider their relatives fools who do not understand what it means to live in Russia. Of course, it is quite stubborn foreigners who were able to overcome the Russian bureaucracy and to achieve success in Russia often even from scratch, often without even knowing the Russian language. I will not be a lot of praise Russia, I just give an opinion Russian American, where you can see the positive and negative aspects of life in Russia for such immigrants. http://myten.me/post/96784241320/10

Russia wouldn't want to sell it to the U.S. anyway. It's a limited precious resource. We'd just take it, burn it in our vehicles, make more plastics and chemicals and leave your country with high oil prices. Russia would do better to keep it for themselves and for the future, when the Middle East and the continental U.S. finally runs out of oil and we come crying and pleading to Russia for more oil. THEN you would have some pretty good leverage against us. Russia just needs patience.

Who told you that? This is the most ridiculous of the assumptions that I have heard. Constantly building new gas and oil pipelines for energy exports. Quality Siberian timber sold on the export of logs. This must be a complete idiots to export logs, and then import furniture from this wood for crazy money. Instead of selling the products of processing of raw materials. In this I was even sorry for my country, that with so much wealth, Russia has become an appendage of primitive raw materials of economies other countries.

[Tunnelcat]

Russia wouldn't want to sell it to the U.S. anyway. It's a limited precious resource. We'd just take it, burn it in our vehicles, make more plastics and chemicals and leave your country with high oil prices. Russia would do better to keep it for themselves and for the future, when the Middle East and the continental U.S. finally runs out of oil and we come crying and pleading to Russia for more oil. THEN you would have some pretty good leverage against us. Russia just needs patience.

Who told you that? This is the most ridiculous of the assumptions that I have heard. Constantly building new gas and oil pipelines for energy exports. Quality Siberian timber sold on the export of logs. This must be a complete idiots to export logs, and then import furniture from this wood for crazy money. Instead of selling the products of processing of raw materials. In this I was even sorry for my country, that with so much wealth, Russia has become an appendage of primitive raw materials of economies other countries.

No one told me anything. I was just thinking that the Russians don't have to export their resources and become slaves to the global markets if they don't want to. You might be better off. The global markets don't respect nationality, people or place, nor do they hold any allegiances to them or their well-being. Their only supreme motive is the game of making profit. If Russia has enough resources to run and feed their own country, without imports, it would be in their best interests to keep those resources to themselves, like a national resource bank vault. You'll probably need the oil more than we will in the future anyway, because the U.S. will just selfishly buy it all up, burn it driving around and then someday, it will be all gone. Bank what you've got, because once it's gone, there's no more to go around.