the truth behind Bibi's words

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:09 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/netanyahu-n ... -election/

no Palestinian state equals no peace and a defacto subjugation of millions. A disaster for the region should we continue to support him in that. If elected, the US should cease all aid to Israel immediately.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:36 pm

Yup, and when Iran organizes a invasion and millions of jews are murdered you will be the first to stand up and applaud stating what a wonderful president Obama is.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:27 pm

We should have cut aid to Israel long ago, but not having anything to do with whoever they elect to government.

vision · Post by **vision** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:05 pm

woodchip wrote:Yup, and when Iran organizes a invasion and millions of jews are murdered...

You are like a mentally ill person, completely out of touch with reality. Let's never mind the overwhelming complexity of Iran invading Israel and just keep repeating the same asinine stuff over and over.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:32 pm

Yes and lets play the ostrich thinking this could never happen. Won't happen as long as we are allies to Israel. Or are you so foolish to think that that we can sweet talk Iran to be nice after they get the bomb?

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:37 pm

We can be Israel’s ally without handing over billions…

Iran using a nuke on Israel = self destruct.

Iran invading Israel = an ass whoopin.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:20 pm

Spidey wrote:

Iran invading Israel = an ass whoopin.

Yeah but you are forgetting about Islam and martyrdom,

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:44 pm

woodchip wrote:Yes and lets play the ostrich thinking this could never happen. Won't happen as long as we are allies to Israel. Or are you so foolish to think that that we can sweet talk Iran to be nice after they get the bomb?

You are aware, are you not, that Israel has cutting edge defenses, and has had nuclear weapons for at least 45 years, right?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:26 pm

callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:Yes and lets play the ostrich thinking this could never happen. Won't happen as long as we are allies to Israel. Or are you so foolish to think that that we can sweet talk Iran to be nice after they get the bomb?
You are aware, are you not, that Israel has cutting edge defenses, and has had nuclear weapons for at least 45 years, right?

exactly. which begs the question; why would a country with cutting edge defense technology (that they bought from the US) with nuclear warheads (that they made themselves) be suddenly worried about a country that has zero nuclear warheads and a half-decent defense?

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:56 pm

Ferno wrote:
callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:Yes and lets play the ostrich thinking this could never happen. Won't happen as long as we are allies to Israel. Or are you so foolish to think that that we can sweet talk Iran to be nice after they get the bomb?
You are aware, are you not, that Israel has cutting edge defenses, and has had nuclear weapons for at least 45 years, right?

exactly. which begs the question; why would a country with cutting edge defense technology (that they bought from the US) with nuclear warheads (that they made themselves) be suddenly worried about a country that has zero nuclear warheads and a half-decent defense?

You left something out. Here, try it this way:

Why wouldn't they be worried about a country that has zero nuclear warheads right now but is working as fast as they can to get them and all experts in the intelligence community say it is highly likely they will succeed within ten years at the most...AND they also have a knack for getting their proxy warriors, who are in Israel and adjoining territories, to become suicide bombers... AND they often make a point to declare the complete annihilation of Israel is their goal and the only acceptable path to peace?

That is the reality and it sort of makes a bit of a difference to a rational person. They would be stupid to not be concerned.

vision · Post by **vision** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:17 pm

Oh look, it's Will repeating the same lies again and again. What a surprise.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:51 pm

Will Robinson wrote:Why wouldn't they be worried about a country that has zero nuclear warheads right now but is working as fast as they can to get them and all experts in the intelligence community say it is highly likely they will succeed within ten years at the most...AND they also have a knack for getting their proxy warriors, who are in Israel and adjoining territories, to become suicide bombers... AND they often make a point to declare the complete annihilation of Israel is their goal and the only acceptable path to peace?

That is the reality and it sort of makes a bit of a difference to a rational person. They would be stupid to not be concerned.

translation: poor little Israel, sooo defenseless. Iran might be getting the bomb, ooooooooh. You scared, yet?

bull★■◆●, bull★■◆●, bull★■◆●, bull★■◆●.

I look forward to the flailing, the paragraphs peppered with exclamation points, the personal attacks veiled as an argument, the entire show. don't disappoint me now.

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:16 am

Well, i voted this morning, lets see how this one turns out.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:40 am

vision wrote:Oh look, it's Will repeating the same lies again and again. What a surprise.

What is untrue?
The projected timeline for Iran becoming a nuclear power?
Their involvement with bombings targeting Israeli jews?
Their 'wipe Israel of the map'...'push them into the sea'...rhetoric?

Can you actually prove I'm wrong about those points or is this just more of your ridiculous denial?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:18 am

Will Robinson wrote:
vision wrote:Oh look, it's Will repeating the same lies again and again. What a surprise.
What is untrue?
The projected timeline for Iran becoming a nuclear power?

Bibi originally had the same timeline as now....back in the 90s

Their involvement with bombings targeting Israeli jews?

two way street there, and proven so.

Their 'wipe Israel of the map'...'push them into the sea'...rhetoric?

talk is cheap. As pointed out, they aren't going to do that, for a host of reasons. Mainly self-preservation.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:39 am

callmeslick wrote:
Will Robinson wrote:
vision wrote:Oh look, it's Will repeating the same lies again and again. What a surprise.
What is untrue?
The projected timeline for Iran becoming a nuclear power?
Bibi originally had the same timeline as now....back in the 90s
Their involvement with bombings targeting Israeli jews?
two way street there, and proven so.
Their 'wipe Israel of the map'...'push them into the sea'...rhetoric?
talk is cheap. As pointed out, they aren't going to do that, for a host of reasons. Mainly self-preservation.

Im not citing Netanyahu as an intelligence expert on Irans nuclear timeline. I'm citing the Obama administration.

(Didn't Ted Danson lead a campaign of Hollywood 'heroes' back in the late '70's telling us the coastal states would all be underwater by the 2000's if we didn't stop using fossile fuels? Does your logic mean we shouldn't listen to those kind of warnings now that my house is still above water where it was built on the coast back then?) lol

As to it being a two way street, that is a remarkably ridiculous simplification of the example. I suggest Israel should have concern that an enemy known for ensuring its operatives cause mass casualty explosions in Israel and you suggest they should not be concerned because Israel retaliates?
Regardless of the justification debate, who killed who first bullcrap the need to be concerned is real! Your silly point is moot.

As to your 'Talk is cheap' comment...is that a vague attempt to disqualify Irans intentions as harmless?!?

Let's cite your Obama administration again to let them counter your weak tactic, here is a little synopsis without much opinion injected.
Or read the whole actual State Department Report if you think this is some zionists ruse, lol:

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:45 am

A Weekly Standard Blog doesn't have any spin behind it? Are you kidding? Those are the clowns that created neoconservatism. That's like me seeking out a neo-fascist blog to defend anti-semitism. All the 'report' and the blog entry do is repeat the same specious claims about Iran and exporting terrorism with ZERO proof of any involvement with anything outside their region. Hezbollah IS a proxy for Iran, we all know that. So what? They are considered by Lebanese people as a social welfare group, not a terrorist group. That they hate Israel and will attack them is hardly some export of terrorism, given the Israeli conduct in the region. Otherwise, the links, as we've already noted, with Al Q are WEAK at best, and the whole overall thrust is designed to keep Iran sanctions justified.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:50 am

callmeslick wrote:A Weekly Standard Blog doesn't have any spin behind it? Are you kidding? Those are the clowns that created neoconservatism. That's like me seeking out a neo-fascist blog to defend anti-semitism.

You can read the actual report which I provided and see that the examples he mentions are in fact supported by the Obama Administration...it is Obama's work you are rejecting not some blogger...
And don't you post blogs crap here all the time? What hypocrisy? Lol

Here, let me lead the horse to water...have a taste of your doctors medicine if you dare

Obama's State Department wrote:Despite its pledge to support the stabilization of Iraq, in 2011 Iran continued to provide lethal support – including weapons, training, funding, and guidance – to Iraqi Shia militant groups that targeted U.S. and Iraqi forces. Iran also continued to provide weapons, training, and funding to Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, including Palestine Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command. Since the end of the 2006 Israeli- Hizballah conflict, Iran has provided significant quantities of weaponry and funding to Hizballah, in direct violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:53 am

I did address the whole report, after the blog remark.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:57 am

callmeslick wrote:I did address the whole report, after the blog remark.

No you didn't, not honestly anyway. Go back and read it for real this time. The notion you are selling, that Iran is funding some humanitarian effort is ★■◆●ing LUDICROUS!

You have no shame at all trying complain about 'spin' after dropping such a blatant load of stinking feces like that.
I wonder if you think there are more than one or two idiots who want to buy into your ridiculous version.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:23 am

I was talking about how Hezbollah is viewed by the people of Lebanon. It is accurate. Feel free to look it up. They build schools, maintain order in locales with zero police presence, maintain public hygeine, etc,etc,etc. Hezbollah does have a military wing, but terrorism is NOT their primary function.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:26 am

here: read up on the history and evolution of Hezbollah in Lebanon--
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1 ... 0701722852

sourcing--Italian scholarly research, translated.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:35 am

callmeslick wrote:I was talking about how Hezbollah is viewed by the people of Lebanon. It is accurate. Feel free to look it up. They build schools, maintain order in locales with zero police presence, maintain public hygeine, etc,etc,etc. Hezbollah does have a military wing, but terrorism is NOT their primary function.

...and that, my friends...is slick being delusional at best.

Al Qaeda and ISIS also 'build' schools and maintain 'order'

Hesb'allah was created as Iran's proxy army to destroy Israel. That is its main purpose.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:13 am

read the PDF link, TB, if you'd like to learn that your fairy tale hate mongering is not accurate. Hezbollah started out as a small cadre of radicals, but has matured into a much larger organization, mainly focused on public service and traditional politics. Like most of us, they have evolved and grown up. Too bad the rabid dogs that think in black and white cannot.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:35 am

callmeslick wrote:I was talking about how Hezbollah is viewed by the people of Lebanon. It is accurate. Feel free to look it up. They build schools, maintain order in locales with zero police presence, maintain public hygeine, etc,etc,etc. Hezbollah does have a military wing, but terrorism is NOT their primary function.

What you did was inject an irrelevant bit of data in an attempt to portray Hezbollah as a peaceful entity.
A lame attempt to obfuscate. If that bit of misdirection is your best shot then you missed the target completely.

Iran sent thousands (literally) of its Iranian Revolutionary Guard along with one of their senior clerics to Hezbollah in Syria to transform them from a neighborhood insurgency/helping hand group into the tip of their Islamic Supremacy spear decades back and have been at the controls of it ever since.
Their "primary function" is to destabilize the region to open the door to Iranian branded Islamo-fascism to dominate the region. Building schools is the same as the US Military building schools...after they destroy the place...

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:42 am

Will Robinson wrote:What you did was inject an irrelevant bit of data in an attempt to portray Hezbollah as a peaceful entity.
A lame attempt to obfuscate. If that bit of misdirection is your best shot then you missed the target completely.

ummm, I provide a rather substantial link to information that would tell you that they ARE largely a peaceful entity. What are they presently doing to dispel such a reality?

Iran sent thousands (literally) of its Iranian Revolutionary Guard along with one of their senior clerics to Hezbollah in Syria to transform them from a neighborhood insurgency/helping hand group into the tip of their Islamic Supremacy spear decades back and have been at the controls of it ever since.

that was decades ago. Try to stay current, and realize that organizations mature and evolve.

Their "primary function" is to destabilize the region to open the door to Iranian branded Islamo-fascism to dominate the region. Building schools is the same as the US Military building schools...after they destroy the place...

not at all what has been done. Hezbollah is just another political party, pretty much like the others in Lebanon. That doesn't mean they are exactly like a Western political party, but the days of being some branch of the Republican guard ended years ago. Note, they haven't even gotten into the fight with ISIS, nor have they had any recent adventures on the Israeli border. Clinging to outdated notions doesn't sway me, or anyone else who actually looks at the reality today, on the ground. Sorry, Will, complete fail on your part.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:43 am

also, I note with puzzlement why Will wishes to focus on Hezbollah, Iran and Lebanon, when the OP regarded PALESTINE, and the formation of a viable Palestinian state. Didn't wish to venture there, Will, or just over your head altogether?

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:49 am

callmeslick wrote:Note, they haven't even gotten into the fight with ISIS, nor have they had any recent adventures on the Israeli border. Clinging to outdated notions doesn't sway me, or anyone else who actually looks at the reality today, on the ground.

Why do you throw around statements as facts? It's simply not true what you are saying...any of it.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:51 am

what part, FC. The ISIS part was from a recent report, linked above someplace. What has been happening that hasn't been covered in our news at the border? Do you disagree that Hezbollah has morphed into something far more mature since the inception decades ago? Why? Not trying for some cheap 'gotcha' moment, I'm willing to keep and open mind and learn from a local. I just don't see it, but most of my news sources are Western(American or European), so maybe your daily reality shows something vastly different.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:55 am

while you are at it, and if you have time, FC......what are your views on Bibi's statement in my original post? Doesn't a refusal to have a Palestinian state insure either a subjugation of Palestinian arabs with no voting rights, or the loss of Israel as it was intended to be?

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:07 am

Hezbollah and Hamas have defiantly morphed into something bigger. Bigger, more, sophisticated terrorist organisations, that endanger not only Israel, but the surrounding locals that they profess to protect.

Bibi was just scrambling for last minuet votes from undecided right wing voters. Why do you keep talking about the voting rights of Palestinian arabs...its the second time ive seen you mention that.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:15 am

Flabby Chick wrote:Hezbollah and Hamas have defiantly morphed into something bigger. Bigger, more, sophisticated terrorist organisations, that endanger not only Israel, but the surrounding locals that they profess to protect.

Hamas, I can agree, but what do you base the Hezbollah point upon, seeing as how they seem to have been co-opted into the Lebanese political mainstream?

Bibi was just scrambling for last minuet votes from undecided right wing voters. Why do you keep talking about the voting rights of Palestinian arabs...its the second time ive seen you mention that.

I mention this because I STRONGLY suspect that a one-state solution will not give voting rights to the vast majority of Arabs in the West Bank, nor Gaza. Do you feel it is your nation's right to both prevent them from having a viable state, AND denying them FULL citizenship in Israel? Are you suggesting that Israelis are open to creation of a single state encompassing the whole region with full rights for all residents?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:17 am

by the way, FC, I see the growth of Hamas as a direct result of years of settlement incursions and heavy-handed tactics by Israel, and view them as the imminent threat to the safety of you all. As I said a week or so ago here, one of these days, those folks will not be getting by with cheap, inaccurate rockets. Failing to get a true peace and true Palesinian state with stability will get you all to where they will get far more monetary and military support.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:28 am

slick, I read your linked article and you should really be ashamed at the way you have spun this. I would encourage others to read what you and I have said about Hezbollah and then go read the article you linked to. You have provided me with more evidence not refuted my claims!

Sure they mention the humanitarian aid that Hezbollah provides. But that is not proof they aren't a military entity and the totality of the very article you posted has Hezbollah constantly referenced as a fighting force, it has it referenced as assassins and even in politics it is referenced as having influence because of its fighting force NOT because it buys some food stuffs or built a school etc.

Further, again, from your linked article, it does not support your contention that the people all see them as a humanitarian group, there are major divisions in the peoples acceptance or dislike for Hezbollah:

Hezbollah’s rivals fear that its ultimate aim is to transform Lebanon into an Islamic state in Lebanon and that the party is only feigning attachment to Lebanon as a pluralist society.

You are truly amazing at the way you just spout off things you make up and then try to bully people into accepting your spin if they challenge you.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:35 am

look, there are people here who think Obama is a communist or wishes US to be an Islamic state. Basing your reality on the fears of others(political rivals, no less) in no way supports your argument. I love your glossing over the part about humanitarian, educational and political roles in modern Lebanon. The facts are the facts. I'll stand by them. I do want to hear Flabby's insight, as he lives far closer than you or I, Will.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:50 am

callmeslick wrote:look, there are people here who think Obama is a communist or wishes US to be an Islamic state. Basing your reality on the fears of others(political rivals, no less) in no way supports your argument. I love your glossing over the part about humanitarian, educational and political roles in modern Lebanon. The facts are the facts. I'll stand by them. I do want to hear Flabby's insight, as he lives far closer than you or I, Will.

Lol! Do you think no one notices the hypocrisy and projection that is within almost everything you post?

You say I'm glossing over the humanitarian aspect? No, I acknowledged it and suggested it wasn't their primary objective as you imply.
I guess 'glossing over' is slick-code for using facts to disagree with slick.

You say you want to hear what Flabby says on the subject....hmmmm maybe you glossed over it (in the true sense of the phrase) when he answered you already, in quite direct fashion, when he said:

Flabby Chick wrote:Hezbollah and Hamas have defiantly morphed into something bigger. Bigger, more, sophisticated terrorist organisations, that endanger not only Israel, but the surrounding locals that they profess to protect.

Do you need him to repeat it? Not that you would listen. You will try to recharacterize the meaning of his reply or move goalposts, etc. etc. et-frikking-cetera...

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:54 pm

I asked for clarification, Will, and am quite confident that FC can answer the question without your help.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:44 pm

Sounds like the mob, they also hand out a lot of cash and provide “security”.

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