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...had a bit to say about islam.
In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).
(from the quoted article: "Observe that Adams not only documents the violent nature of Islam, in contrast with the peaceful and benevolent thrust of Christianity, he further exposes the mistreatment of women inherent in Islamic doctrine, including the degrading practice of polygamy.") http://www.apologeticspress.org/apconte ... ticle=1142

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The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force (Blunt, 29:274).
(Again from the quoted article: "No Christian would deny that many Christians in history have violated the precepts of Christ by mistreating others and even committing atrocities in the name of Christ. However, Adams rightly observes that one must go against Christian doctrine to do so. Not so with Islam—since violence is sanctioned.")
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All we have to do to see the truth of what TB posted is to look at the instances of Honor killings by Muslims in the US...and their fellow Muslims hiding the perpetrator.
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callmeslick wrote::deadhorse:
Before Foil removed slick's (and most islam apologists') refrain of '2 billion inoffensive muslim human beings,' I can respond (as I always have) that I DO NOT generalize about individual muslims- nor to I "hate muslims."

However, there is a very large and concerning portion of muslim adherents that want to impose the totalitarian system of law and religion known as islam upon the whole of humanity- no matter what slick says.
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utter nonsense, xenophobia and paranoia. If Foil doesn't like me pointing out that reality from these near-daily rants from TB, so be it.
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ThunderBunny wrote:
callmeslick wrote::deadhorse:
Before Foil removed slick's (and most islam apologists') refrain of '2 billion inoffensive muslim human beings,' I can respond (as I always have) that I DO NOT generalize about individual muslims- nor to I "hate muslims."

However, there is a very large and concerning portion of muslim adherents that want to impose the totalitarian system of law and religion known as islam upon the whole of humanity- no matter what slick says.
then why have the vast majority of your posts been talking about how islam is evil, and how muslims want to kill everyone?
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Ferno wrote:
then why have the vast majority of your posts been talking about how islam is evil, and how muslims want to kill everyone?
Because unreformed islam (in its original state) /IS/ evil- and number of muslims do not want to kill everyone- but they DO want to kill the infidel- which means you, Ferno.
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not according to the ones I met.

they seemed to be pretty good people.
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Ferno wrote:not according to the ones I met.

they seemed to be pretty good people.
Personal anecdotes are all well and good- but the numbers speak the truth.
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I can say for certain, that not all 1.6 billion are coming to kill me.
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ThunderBunny wrote:...the numbers speak the truth.
The numbers show your ridiculous theatrics concerning Islam are unwarranted, but then again you aren't really interested in the numbers are you? No numbers will convince you. Yes, there are problems in the Islamic world. No, you are not in danger by any stretch of the imagination.
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vision wrote:
ThunderBunny wrote:...the numbers speak the truth.
The numbers show your ridiculous theatrics concerning Islam are unwarranted, but then again you aren't really interested in the numbers are you? No numbers will convince you. Yes, there are problems in the Islamic world. No, you are not in danger by any stretch of the imagination.
Here are some numbers for you:

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org ... iah-jihad/
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your 'numbers' come from a long-standing group of xenophobes and Christian religious nuts. Not exactly too scary, more laughable.
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Ferno wrote:I can say for certain, that not all 1.6 billion are coming to kill me.
No but 10% of that number would like to.
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callmeslick wrote:your 'numbers' come from a long-standing group of xenophobes and Christian religious nuts. Not exactly too scary, more laughable.
I think the real idiocy lies in your post. Lets look at the people running the show:
Gaffney serves as the Center's President and CEO. The CSP's senior staff also includes Executive Vice President James Hanson, who served in the Army Special Forces; Senior Vice President for Policy and Programs Frederick Fleitz, a former CIA analyst; Clare Lopez, a former CIA operations officer
Sound like nut jobs? you got a source for your posted assertions or are you just mouthing left wing disinformation?
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as I stated elsewhere, that site is literally OBSESSED with Sharia law coming to America. That, in and of itself shows a complete lack of understanding of the US Constitution, or(more likely) a willing suspension of belief in it to grind an ax about Muslims. Nothing about 'former' status in the Special Forces or the CIA(fountain of misinformation at times anyway) impresses me. One actually should wonder how they got to 'former' status. Fired, perhaps?
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Not to mention, can you really trust the views and opinions about islam from people who are wound that tightly into the gears of the military industrial complex?
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callmeslick wrote:as I stated elsewhere, that site is literally OBSESSED with Sharia law coming to America. That, in and of itself shows a complete lack of understanding of the US Constitution, or(more likely) a willing suspension of belief in it to grind an ax about Muslims. Nothing about 'former' status in the Special Forces or the CIA(fountain of misinformation at times anyway) impresses me. One actually should wonder how they got to 'former' status. Fired, perhaps?
Stated elsewhere? Unless you have some proof, then I can only assume you are still in disinformation mode. As to being "former" I don't suppose they could of been wounded to the point of not being able to handle the duties being a special forces soldier? Nice try on denigrating the reputation of perhaps a heroic individual. Of course to the left, one always has to view soldiers and marines with suspicion.
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woodchip wrote:Stated elsewhere? Unless you have some proof, then I can only assume you are still in disinformation mode. As to being "former" I don't suppose they could of been wounded to the point of not being able to handle the duties being a special forces soldier? Nice try on denigrating the reputation of perhaps a heroic individual. Of course to the left, one always has to view soldiers and marines with suspicion.
they could have been, but were not, in either case, should you bother to look it up. One chose to leave special forces, the other was DISMISSED from the CIA(where it isn't really likely that he got injured behind a desk).
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You're making the accusation so it is your job to back up what you say
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Hanson there is ZERO information on, Fletz is a known neo-con who made a living being wrong since he left the CIA(worked for Bolton and the partisan hacks in Congress). These folks are consistently wrong on EVERYTHING, including Fletz who was touting that Cuba was building biological weapons and should be invaded.
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