..."the attacks will be spectacular"

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:20 pm

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ex-cia- ... lpability/

and some folks wonder why I break out laughing when some fool calls Obama the 'worst President ever'.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:49 pm

So the skeletons are starting to crawl out of the Bush closet. And people call me "obsessed" whenever I gripe about the crimes of Bush/Cheney.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:28 pm

Here's an oldie but goodie?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:37 pm

It was too soon Vander. The 9/11 psychosis was still too strong for anyone to believe that our president and his cronies royally effed up. He stood there on the site of the ruined World Trade Center and stumped for blood and vengeance, which is what Americans wanted to hear and what Bush wanted to get more power for himself.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:40 pm

Vander wrote:Here's an oldie but goodie?

too which I responded today, not being here then. What a short view of learning from history. Yeesh.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:26 am

callmeslick wrote:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ex-cia- ... lpability/

and some folks wonder why I break out laughing when some fool calls Obama the 'worst President ever'.

Nice spin but what would you have Bush do? Round up all the Muslims here? Bomb the piss out of Afghanistan? Just what actionable intelligence was presented other than a vague feeling of impending doom. Bill Clinton tried in Somalia and then lobbing a few missiles in the middle of some barren Afghanistan desert and we can see how well that worked. So what would you have had Bush do if it was your decision?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:42 am

planning for a threat adequately would have been a start, Woody.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:56 am

And how do you plan for something when you don't know when, where or what? Start by suspending civil liberties? That would fly real well.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:14 am

lessee......when the presentations start getting specific, in July, about people using airliners as weapons, about Saudi nationals training for attacks here and the like, I'd have thought a more pro-active approach at the airports or in air defense policy might have been a start. Also, maybe some FBI investigation into pilot training programs with aggressive followup? They did, according to the CIA guys, NOTHING. Moreover, they failed to plan earlier because they didn't want a paper trail to blame them later? Yeesh. Keep on apologizing and making a big freaking deal about Hillary/Bengazi etc, woody. You sound like an absolute denier of reality, which, I suppose, is the only reason anyone could have to make a big deal out of Hillary.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:43 am

Yea, and what has Obama done about the cyber threat to our power grid.

(rhetorical, because the answer is nothing)

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:10 am

callmeslick wrote:lessee......when the presentations start getting specific, in July, about people using airliners as weapons, about Saudi nationals training for attacks here and the like, I'd have thought a more pro-active approach at the airports or in air defense policy might have been a start. Also, maybe some FBI investigation into pilot training programs with aggressive followup? They did, according to the CIA guys, NOTHING. Moreover, they failed to plan earlier because they didn't want a paper trail to blame them later? Yeesh. Keep on apologizing and making a big freaking deal about Hillary/Bengazi etc, woody. You sound like an absolute denier of reality, which, I suppose, is the only reason anyone could have to make a big deal out of Hillary.

In Vanders thread I talked about Jamie Gorlick and "The Wall". I suggest you read it as all those sources you list weren't allowed to talk to one another for fear about big brother. But og course you want to continue to obfuscate as you are ignorant about what happened or just plain feel a need to cloud the issue to make your side look good.

vision · Post by **vision** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:55 pm

Spidey wrote:Yea, and what has Obama done about the cyber threat to our power grid.

(rhetorical, because the answer is nothing)

Actually, one of his dastardly "executive orders" addresses this topic:

Executive Order -- Improving Critical Infrastructure Cybersecurity (Feb. 12, 2013)

It requires the private sector involved with critical infrastructure to share relevant inforamtion with the "Classified National Security Information Program for State, Local, Tribal, and Private Sector Entities". It also requires updating policies relating to the National Institute of Standards and Technology — and a bunch of other things. It's actually pretty comprehensive.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:59 pm

woodchip wrote:Nice spin but what would you have Bush do?

How about, for starters, showing the slightest bit of contrition after the fact. If I recall, that was my motivation behind that old thread. A simple "we didn't do enough" or "Al Qaida wasn't our focus" would've sufficed. But no, it was all "we couldn't have known" and "we did everything we could" and "there was nothing actionable."

And it really is such a modest point. It's not assigning blame for 9/11 on the Bush administration. The law enforcement/intelligence/bureaucracy failures pre-9/11 were a very large sandwich, but the Bush administration refused to take a bite like everyone else. Their inability to ever admit error or lapse was and still is galling.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:27 pm

Yes vision, I know all about that, and even the experiments the government did proving the vulnerabilities…but as of now, nothing has been done about the actual problem.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:13 pm

Spidey wrote:Yea, and what has Obama done about the cyber threat to our power grid.

(rhetorical, because the answer is nothing)

odd comment, given that I fish with three people whose job for the past 5 years has been exactly that.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:37 pm

Well if you have some facts to disprove the job done by Ted Koppel let’s hear them, because he did a major report on this subject, and even wrote a book.

So I’m all ears.

vision · Post by **vision** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:43 pm

Spidey wrote:but as of now, nothing has been done about the actual problem.

Can you be a little more clear as to what you would expect to see? The Office of Infrastructure Protection has a fairly detailed set of objectives. Much of this involves voluntary support of the private sector. Do you want the government to overpower the private sector like the TSA did with airlines? I'm just not sure what you want.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:13 pm

Yes, I would like to see mandatory systems put in place.

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