The true face of the West

[sigma]

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why ... 55406.html

[vision]

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What is your point?

[sigma]

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What is your point?

Wow, here there is one brave man, a very interesting and informative comment, thanks.

[woodchip]

Obviously Cameron is just as weak and ineffectual as Obama (who also hasn't said anything). Saying anything would just draw attention to their incompetence. How am I doing sigma? Got it right in one?

[Spidey]

So one oppressive regime has taken back land held by a different oppressive regime, not really anything the west is ready to celebrate.

[woodchip]

Well, anything is better than ISIS. I suspect if the warring factions can work out some sort of deal with Assad as a nominal figurehead leader, then Syria can become stable once again. The big question at that point, how many of the Syrian refugee's will return?

[sigma]

Obviously Cameron is just as weak and ineffectual as Obama (who also hasn't said anything). Saying anything would just draw attention to their incompetence. How am I doing sigma? Got it right in one?

Perhaps it would be more correct to say "in order not to draw attention to their support of global terrorism, especially ISIS," but you chose the words "weakness", "inefficiency" and "incompetence". I was lost in conjectures, you mean support of terrorism or the fight against terrorism or the fight against Russian aggression...

So one oppressive regime has taken back land held by a different oppressive regime, not really anything the west is ready to celebrate.

I think that the West is not ready to celebrate the success in defeating ISIS (or as you put it, "a different oppressive regime") only for the reason that basically it is the success of Russia, not the West.

[sigma]

Well, anything is better than ISIS. I suspect if the warring factions can work out some sort of deal with Assad as a nominal figurehead leader, then Syria can become stable once again. The big question at that point, how many of the Syrian refugee's will return?

Actually, right now Russia is doing everything possible to revive the economy and to make Syria again a peaceful, secure and prosperous country, not only for the purpose to the return of refugees, but also for foreign investment attraction, for example, among other things, Russia is already importing agricultural products from Syria, if you still do not know.
While the US, UK and EU do nothing for real assistance to the Syrian people, they only know how to come up with new and new reproaches and accusations for Russia.

[Tunnelcat]

Russia was kind of late to the game wasn't it sigma? ISIS had already destroyed most of the ancient ruins at Palmyra by the time the Russians and Syrians managed to take it back. I also seriously doubt Syria will even remain a peaceful place. A lot of Syrians still HATE their despot King Assad and I'm sure the Russians are liked either.

[sigma]

Russia was kind of late to the game wasn't it sigma? ISIS had already destroyed most of the ancient ruins at Palmyra by the time the Russians and Syrians managed to take it back. I also seriously doubt Syria will even remain a peaceful place. A lot of Syrians still HATE their despot King Assad and I'm sure the Russians are liked either.

I have no doubt that now the Libyans love American democracy so much more than Muammar Gaddafi, because he oppressed his people free housing, unemployment benefits in the amount of $700 and the cost of gasoline $0.22.


The US has an amazing talent to save the world is exactly the opposite http://pikbox.ru/img/20/20160329052820927lybia.jpg

[Tunnelcat]

I don't disagree with you on Libya or Iraq sigma, I've said all along that we're the ones who created those horrendous messes, and yet we still can't clean them up or get things peaceful. We're so arrogant, we keep making the same mistakes over and over, all in the name of pushing "freedom" into other places that just can't handle that freedom. Worse yet, most of these "wars" are nothing but proxy wars between Russia and America using third party countries as combatants. And we wonder why a lot of other countries hate us.

However, the Syrian rebels we're supporting are using our weapons to destroy Russia's most advanced battle tank, the T90.

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[woodchip]

Foolish of the Russian tank commander to have his tank parked with the side exposed where armor is weaker.

[sigma]

That's just not necessary to try to use the phrase "we together with Russia" in the context of "we together are equally to blame".
If I may, I will not list you the US crimes against mankind, which can only be compared with neo-fascism.
Russia is fighting against this plague as much as one can, while the U.S. is active the embodiment of fascism and terrorism, with the only difference being that most often the U.S. is the customer of their crimes, rather than the performer.
Maybe it's time to elect the President of the United States, for which will not be ashamed not only to Americans, but to the entire world?

About this staged video - yes, it's very funny

[woodchip]

Staged? I noticed a crewman exiting the tank right after the hit. If it was staged I don't think they would have live actors inside a prop that exploded.

[Tunnelcat]

That's just not necessary to try to use the phrase "we together with Russia" in the context of "we together are equally to blame".
If I may, I will not list you the US crimes against mankind, which can only be compared with neo-fascism.
Russia is fighting against this plague as much as one can, while the U.S. is active the embodiment of fascism and terrorism, with the only difference being that most often the U.S. is the customer of their crimes, rather than the performer.
Maybe it's time to elect the President of the United States, for which will not be ashamed not only to Americans, but to the entire world?

About this staged video - yes, it's very funny

sigma, you misunderstood me or the Google translator screwed up. When I said "we", I meant only the U.S.A., not the both of us. Russia can never be accused of pushing freedom on another country, especially with the help of America.

The video was not staged either. There are a whole bunch of them on youtube. This one just happened to be the most recent. You should be proud that your T90 is such a strong tank, so strong that a crewman was able to scramble out alive AFTER being hit with the TOW missile.

[sigma]

Given that usually under the meaning of the phrases "freedom from despotism," "spreading democracy", "the struggle for peace in the world", "fight against terrorism", "fight against Russian aggression", the United States actually mean of organizing civil wars, brusque military intervention in weak countries, in order to rape, kill and rob the people and natural resources of these defenseless countries, with only one real purpose, which is usually called the "national interests", in this case, you're right, Russia can never be accused of pushing such "freedom" on another country, especially with the help of America.

Perhaps the video is not staged, but very strange, because I have the impression that the tank has not fought, and was parked with a crewman sleeping peacefully inside.

[sigma]

Although, to hell with them, TC, it's not you ordered to torture and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent souls all over the planet, it is their fault, they will burn in hell, not you. Look better a good movie. I really liked it. http://asianwiki.com/The_Tiger

[woodchip]

And Stalin didn't murder millions of people Between the Crimea and Ukraine, how many people did Russia kill?

[sigma]

And Stalin didn't murder millions of people Between the Crimea and Ukraine, how many people did Russia kill?

https://onkwehonwerising.files.wordpres ... ocaust.pdf

[Tunnelcat]

Well sigma, there are far worse examples of mass murderers than from what you call "the West". Hitler (Germany) and Pol Pot (Cambodia) murdered millions of people because of inane ideologies and lust for power. Humans are the same all over the world. Tribalism is a strong motivation for doing the most heinous of things. But I think the West is just plain psychotic in it's opposition against all things Russian. It would be a far better world if we were friends.

To give you an example of our military's crazy psychosis against communism back in the early 1960's, our military become so obsessed with getting rid of Castro, and by extension their allies the Soviets, that the ideas they dreamed up were just plain crazy and delusional. Many of the Pentagon's ideas would have caused the deaths of innocent Americans just to get what they wanted.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/19/us/de ... nnedy.html

[Ferno]

Anyone notice that, there's something missing from this thread?

[Top Gun]

Perspective? Sanity? Anything resembling a point?

[Ferno]

Perspective? Sanity? Anything resembling a point?

which would have been brought to you by none other than TB with his 'mozlems are eeeevul!' song.

[Tunnelcat]

Perspective? Sanity? Anything resembling a point?

which would have been brought to you by none other than TB with his 'mozlems are eeeevul!' song.

Don't you mean to pronounce it like Trump does all the time? Moooozlems.

[sigma]

Do not judge them severely, TC. In the end, what else can they say now, in addition, to hide behind the demagoguery? I very much hope that the Americans will finally be able to be proud of America, not in words but in deeds, in the best sense of their own slogans, and not engage in endless ridiculous and unworthy lies and substitution of the meaning of words to their advantage.

[Ferno]

Moooozlems.

or, if he were canadian... MOOOOOSElems.

[sigma]

Moooozlems.

or, if he were canadian... MOOOOOSElems.

Ferno, you can at least try to look more adequate? Why did you copy the behavior of Spidey, it is not the best example to follow.

[woodchip]

Anyone notice that, there's something missing from this thread?

Intelligent replies?

[Tunnelcat]

Moooozlems.

or, if he were canadian... MOOOOOSElems.

Actually, I think your version is closer.