You are good for nothing infidels!

[Nightshade]

I guess Erdogan means people like Vision and Slick.

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[callmeslick]

[Nightshade]

So I guess it's not true then?

[Ferno]

haha, OP is an attack post.

wah muslims are evil, muslims are evil, muslims are evil.

what the ★■◆● do you want from us anyways? for us all to start screaming 'kill all muslims"? ★■◆● that bull★■◆●, no one here is going to buy into the hate. And if anyone had any balls, they'd kill these topics as soon as they surfaced.

'worthy of discussion'. yeah right. "Ignore it". That doesn't work. it only encourages topics like this.

Take your bigotry and hate elsewhere, you ★■◆●ing islamophobe.

[Nightshade]

haha, OP is an attack post.

wah muslims are evil, muslims are evil, muslims are evil.

what the **** do you want from us anyways? for us all to start screaming 'kill all muslims"? **** that ****, no one here is going to buy into the hate. And if anyone had any balls, they'd kill these topics as soon as they surfaced.

'worthy of discussion'. yeah right. "Ignore it". That doesn't work. it only encourages topics like this.

Take your bigotry and hate elsewhere, you **** islamophobe.

Where in this post have I said that I hate muslims?

[vision]

Where in this post have I said that I hate muslims?

You don't have to say it explicitly. We can see it via pattern recognition. Don't like that you look like an Islamophobe? There are ways to fix that.

[sigma]

Yeah. Those who hate Muslims called Islamophobes, who hates Jews - anti-Semites, Blacks - racists, and who hates Russians - human rights activists.

[Nightshade]

Where in this post have I said that I hate muslims?

You don't have to say it explicitly. We can see it via pattern recognition. Don't like that you look like an Islamophobe? There are ways to fix that.

Does calling me that word change what the president of Turkey said?

Does it make you feel better to do so?

Of course I'm an "islamophobe." Any sane secular civilized person should be. Unreformed islam is an ideology of hate, of murder and of violence.

You willful blindness will not change that fact. It will only serve to be your eventual undoing.

[callmeslick]

you are an ignorant hater, who has NO: CLUE about Islam, how it works, how its adherents largely think and feel. Go take your hate and stick it where the sun doesn't shine and quit beating us over the heads with it.

[woodchip]

slick, kindly tell us your qualifications and how what tb says is wrong.

[callmeslick]

academic, life contacts, professional relationships. Not going to write a book for you, but he clearly has no ★■◆●ing clue.

[woodchip]

So you are coping out? Do you know the difference between the Mecca and Medina versions of the Koran?

[vision]

Of course I'm an "islamophobe." Any sane secular civilized person should be. Unreformed islam is an ideology of hate, of murder and of violence.

ThunderBunny, we've been though this before. My views on Islam are mostly like those of Sam Harris. I've had intimate relations with Muslims. I agree that there are enormous problems with Islam. But you have to keep things in context. Muslims will never take over the world. They will never cause a global regression of civil rights. And if history shows us anything it's that violence will continue to decrease globally (provided we stop deliberately destabilizing problem areas, but that's a different issue). Sensible people know this.

Incessantly posting about every transgression committed by a Muslim adds to the increasing noise of everyday life and is counterproductive because people tune it out. Posting about what any politician says is equally stupid, regardless of that politician's faith, since their job is to lie creatively. If you want to convince people that Islam is a bigger problem then you need to speak intelligently about it rather than feeding the outrage machine. The outrage machine is a dangerous weapon wielded by both Liberals and Conservatives. Here: I'll give you an example in the context of gay rights.

• Sensible Reasoning dictates we don't discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. This leads to laws recognizing gay marriage. That's a good thing.
  
  The Outrage Machine targets individuals who discriminate against gays causing them to loose their businesses and livelyhood, sometimes forever since Internet news archives last indefinitely. That's a bad thing.

Do you see the difference? Your posts don't add anything to the conversation about Islam. You need to be creative and act in a measured way to get results because so far you just look like a goof.

[Ferno]

Where in this post have I said that I hate muslims?

Don't you play that ★■◆●ing denial game with me.

You know full well that almost every second post you made here for the past two years has been Islam==evil garbage.

And now you get all whiney when I call you on it? Well too damn bad. Don't want to get called an ★■◆●? Don't be an ★■◆●. Same goes for islamophobe. Don't ★■◆●ing be one.

Fucks sake dude, get your ★■◆● together.

[callmeslick]

So you are coping out? Do you know the difference between the Mecca and Medina versions of the Koran?

don't bore me. I know about the system of organization of the major sects and about 11 of the minor subsects. It's a complex mess, of which TB shows no clue.

[Foil]

Taking personal shots at each other is a quick way to end threads.

[ There's a valid topic in here amongst the crap. I suggest either discussing it in a new thread, or not posting. ]