Baptists mow down over a hundred people in France...

[Nightshade]

...or wait...

The attack in Nice, France, began when an occupant of the truck shot into the crowd and then drove for 2 kilometers along the pavement of the Boulevard des Anglais, the main street in Nice, Estrosi told CNN affiliate BFM-TV. He said police later found firearms, explosives and grenades in the truck.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/europe/ni ... index.html

[Spidey]

Good thing he didn’t have any guns…no wait…

[Nightshade]

The "BIG LIST" of islamic terror attacks:

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/atta ... px?Yr=2016

The list is constantly updated whenever an attack takes place anywhere in the world.

[callmeslick]

note, on your 'big list' that outside Muslim nations, the targets are very often societies in which Muslims, as a whole, have been ostracized, segregated and treated like second-class citizens. Let us learn, and NEVER make the same mistake here in the US.

[Spidey]

Sure that explains it, but please tell me what did gay people ever do to Muslims?

[callmeslick]

nothing, but consider yourself lucky so far that most of the attacks here, save 9/11(which was blatantly forewarned, and should never have happened) were generally smaller scale, and given the size of the US, less frequent that we might expect.

I see, already, that Gingrich is proposing some sort of Muslim test, as if that were legal or practicable.......

[woodchip]

Was the internment of Japanese American citizens legal? Was the subsequent loss of their property because of the interment legal? If our country is threatened you will be surprised at what becomes legal.

[callmeslick]

Was the internment of Japanese American citizens legal? Was the subsequent loss of their property because of the interment legal? If our country is threatened you will be surprised at what becomes legal.

not really legal, and a complete national disgrace(along with the treatment of Italians and Germans). Do we learn from history or keep being stupid?

[Grendel]

Indians...

[Tunnelcat]

note, on your 'big list' that outside Muslim nations, the targets are very often societies in which Muslims, as a whole, have been ostracized, segregated and treated like second-class citizens. Let us learn, and NEVER make the same mistake here in the US.

We've already made the same mistake outside our borders with our Imperialist foreign policy.

Yep Grendel, We royally screwed the Native Americans when we created this country, and what's bad is we're still at it.

[callmeslick]

now, Nightshade, I was, as noted, away for a few days down at the shore, so I might have missed these......could you please link me to the posts you made after attacks and bombings in Turkey, Bangladesh,Medina and Bagdhad? Because there is one place where the reactions of westerners has been sort of divergent. We express great outrage over Western attacks, yet those 4 attacks, aimed at Muslims in Muslim nations, killed more people than San Bernadino, Orlando, Brussels, Paris and Nice put together. From the western media? Very little ongoing coverage. It comes off as if we think the only important target is westerners, Christians or the like, when the death toll in the Muslim world has been far greater. That fact, if folks in the west, especially the leadership, don't declare some goofy attack on Muslims as a whole, should trigger one of the great shared human traits: revulsion towards cold-blooded murder. If we showed them the same concern and sympathy we show for Western victims, we might be able to be far more effective in snuffing the whole radical warped pseudo-religious thing.

[woodchip]

"Claps" at slicks attempt to throw up a smoke screen as his buddies are in power.

[callmeslick]

no smokescreen. The truth is not a smokescreen. Just because YOU wish to continue childishly pointing fingers out of some warped ideological thinking, don't count me in.

[Nightshade]

radical warped pseudo-religious thing.

It isn't 'pseudo-religious.' This is EXACTLY what islam teaches must be done to the infidel if they do not submit.

[callmeslick]

as you were told earlier,NS, you do a lot of posting about that which you don't understand. You clearly have ZERO knowledge about Islam or Muslims past a cartoonish view spoon fed to you by fake religious sources.

[Nightshade]

as you were told earlier,NS, you do a lot of posting about that which you don't understand. You clearly have ZERO knowledge about Islam or Muslims past a cartoonish view spoon fed to you by fake religious sources.

You clearly do NOT understand islam. Your leftist propaganda sources are quite flawed.

[Top Gun]

Have you ever so much as talked to a single Muslim person, anywhere?

[Nightshade]

Have you ever so much as talked to a single Muslim person, anywhere?

Many times...including the students that my father used to teach. They invited us to their home...and then invited us to islam.

Yes, it was that quick.

When they came to our home (it happened to be during the Christmas holiday) they looked at the decorations with revulsion as if they were satanic.

They were polite and outwardly friendly- but you could tell they didn't like what they were surrounded by.

[Top Gun]

That explains much.

[callmeslick]

wow, does it ever......

[Nightshade]

That explains much.

Really? I also met them during college. Did a project with a muslim. Happened to be during ramadan.

I remember when the rest of the people in my project group went to eat lunch and he was forced to basically watch us eat while we discussed our ideas. Not a happy camper.

...and again...he seemed friendly but not very talkative. He also seemed to harbor some kind of resentment. I couldn't quite place it, but the classes were coed and he seemed to resent having to share his opinions with women as if their opinions were equal to his. It seemed to stick in his craw.

[Top Gun]

...and again...he seemed friendly but not very talkative. He also seemed to harbor some kind of resentment. I couldn't quite place it, but the classes were coed and he seemed to resent having to share his opinions with women as if their opinions were equal to his. It seemed to stick in his craw.

Projection much?

So here's how it is, then. You had a handful of mildly-uncomfortable encounters with a few Muslim people early in your life, you generalized those to all Muslim people everywhere, and over time this festered to the point where you now have this ridiculously irrational overblown mental image of the Evil Muslim Menace out to sap your precious bodily fluids. It really is sad.

[Nightshade]

Projection much?

So here's how it is, then. You had a handful of mildly-uncomfortable encounters with a few Muslim people early in your life, you generalized those to all Muslim people everywhere, and over time this festered to the point where you now have this ridiculously irrational overblown mental image of the Evil Muslim Menace out to sap your precious bodily fluids. It really is sad.

That's a laugh. You guys ask me, 'you even talk to a real muslim?' crap and I give you real examples from my life and yes, they are anecdotal but don't think they aren't real.

I also deal with them at work. They come in as customers many times as well. Hey sure...they're regular guys that like fast cars and sexy women...but ever hear of Sam Harris' circles of islam's adherents?

There's a certain percentage that are absolute fanatics...then there's a larger percentage that are militant...then another larger one that are 'ultra conservative' and yet a larger one that is practicing yet condones violence in the name of religion...then the moderates and so on and so forth...

But you have to remember that this isn't an ordinary religion. It's a full way of life. An ideology that covers god/faith and LAW.

It's also one that does not forgive those that leave it or do not submit to it.

[woodchip]

So TG and slickster, how many Muslims have you met and interacted with? Besides getting your info from white washed liberal news sources.

[callmeslick]

I'd estimate over 500, and it was consistent contact over a 40 year period of time, and in a few cases continuing to this very moment.

[Top Gun]

There's a certain percentage that are absolute fanatics...then there's a larger percentage that are militant...then another larger one that are 'ultra conservative' and yet a larger one that is practicing yet condones violence in the name of religion...then the moderates and so on and so forth...

But you have to remember that this isn't an ordinary religion. It's a full way of life. An ideology that covers god/faith and LAW.

It's also one that does not forgive those that leave it or do not submit to it.

Pretty much everything here describes the vast majority of popular ideologies in human history.

So TG and slickster, how many Muslims have you met and interacted with? Besides getting your info from white washed liberal news sources.

Knew some at college, know some online, and if they hadn't said anything I wouldn't have known they were, because Muslims are *gasp* pretty much the same as anyone else.

[Nightshade]

Pretty much everything here describes the vast majority of popular ideologies in human history.

Yes, but this one is "practiced" by 3 billion people as a way of life and a "religion." Far far more dangerous than any others.

[Top Gun]

Yeahno.

[Nightshade]

Yeahno.

Refuted by https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/atta ... px?Yr=2016

[Top Gun]

Do you really have nothing better to do with your days than reinforce your own irrational fear?

[callmeslick]

NS, you're aware, are you not, that your only fallback for 'proof' is a rabidly anti-Muslim site(curiously rather strongly pro Israeli, but I digress....)
As I said, I've studied, lived, worked, socialized with hundreds of Muslims over my life. Just like self-identified Christians, they were massively variant in their degree of piety, and by this age I've seen pretty much every variant of Islamic thought. The vast majority were both accepting and at peace with western culture and education. The vast majority tried to maintain some contact with traditional celebrations and religious holidays. The self control and rigor some of my friends showed over Ramadan was impressive. I can't think of many that ever expressed any real dismay with America, Western culture or the like, and all the examples I can recall were all in college and grad school and the folks I'm thinking of just went home, or someplace else. This notion you've nurtured, that Islam is some sort of monolithic cultlike death machine for apostates is just ludicrous. Any of us here, or anywhere else you may go and spout this drivel, with any substantial contact with Muslims knows as much.


Oh, and those keeping score, two of the 14 teachers at the pre-school I have sent all 3 grandkids to are Muslims. Scary, huh? My internist is Lebanese and a Muslim, as are a handful of relatives of my nearest neighbor. NS, should I barricade my house, or should purification rituals suffice?

[Top Gun]

What I continue to love is the assertion that Islam itself is fundamentally this big scary boogeyman that pumps out suicide-vest-wearing terrorists, when the sociopolitical conditions that extend through much of the Muslim world are the exact same ones that have produced extremists of all sorts over the centuries. There's a little group called the IRA you might have heard of, Nightshade.

[Nightshade]

(curiously rather strongly pro Israeli, but I digress....)

And being pro Israel is a bad thing, isn't it slick?

[Ferno]

Whitewashing? did he really try the whitewashing angle?

Hoo boy.

Whitewashing is taking a story about any nonwhites and rewriting it with a main character who is white named Jason.

And the muslim thing again? Trying to paint all 2.08 billion muslims with the same brush is just beyond hilarious.

As for islam, it's just like every other religion in current practice. But there are tenets of it that militant leaders focus on to support their ideology, resulting in those who are looking for answers to become radicalized. This behaviour is not limited to the leaders of Islam; it is present in other ideologically focused and driven religious leaders aswell. This sort of behaviour suggests it's a control issue; a human issue -- and not limited to any one religion.

[callmeslick]

(curiously rather strongly pro Israeli, but I digress....)

And being pro Israel is a bad thing, isn't it slick?

no, I find the juxtaposition telling though.

[Nightshade]

no, I find the juxtaposition telling though.

And why should that be a factor of any kind?