The Trump Wall has been built!

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:37 pm

...by Democrats...around their convention.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1lPKqAWWYYNKb

SO! Building walls is good for what? Security!

Too bad they shun the idea to protect American citizens from illegal invaders.

DNC Elites > than the average American.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:45 pm

Illegal invaders? who? the chinese? the russians?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:15 pm

...the RNC literally just did the exact same thing in Cleveland.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:00 am

Top Gun wrote:...the RNC literally just did the exact same thing in Cleveland.

Exactly...and my point flew right over your head(s) as usual.

Why are there fences at all? Can you explain that? Could it have anything to do with security?

Oh...and what's the difference between keeping possibly hostile people away from candidates...and possibly hostile people OUT of the country and away from ordinary citizens?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:43 am

Even Robert Frost wrote, " Good fences make good neighbors"

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:43 am

then again, Frost was considered something of a loner and isolated jerk by neighbors at the time........your call, not my America.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:27 am

Always something derogatory to say about someone when they don't fit your narrative.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:18 am

no, I just went to college.......and paid attention to American Literature when in the class. As with any simplistic one-liner, the Frost quote has a lot of background along with insight into the psyche of the man.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:28 am

So your college taught in American Lit. that Frost was a loner and a jerk. No wonder you turned out the way you did. My college American Lit taught that Frost was one of the great American poets.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:30 am

woodchip wrote:So your college taught in American Lit. that Frost was a loner and a jerk. No wonder you turned out the way you did. My college American Lit taught that Frost was one of the great American poets.

to understand ANY artist, you have to understand the context that generated the art. Part of Frost's was his personality. Yes, anecdotally, he was not appreciated by his neighbors. No one ever suggested he wasn't a great artist(poet, in this case). So was Van Gogh, and he was nuttier than a Trump supporter(or in the same ballpark), so was Munch, who was profoundly depressed, and writers like Tennessee Williams, Updike, Salinger and other American greats were generally working from a depth of personality, good and bad, that you seemingly wish to dismiss. Strong intellect there, Woody!

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:42 am

Strong enough intellect to see you are still trying to justify your original statement about Frost to deflect from what I quoted. Seriously slick, if you want to curry to low intellect types I suggest you stick with the Democratic Underground Movement Board (D.U.M.B.)

vision · Post by **vision** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:10 am

woodchip wrote:So your college taught in American Lit. that Frost was a loner and a jerk. My college American Lit taught that Frost was one of the great American poets.

Sounds like your education wasn't comprehensive enough.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:12 am

Sounds like you're trolling again or are you just defending your DBB hero?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:12 pm

woodchip wrote:Strong enough intellect to see you are still trying to justify your original statement about Frost to deflect from what I quoted. Seriously slick, if you want to curry to low intellect types I suggest you stick with the Democratic Underground Movement Board (D.U.M.B.)

actually, I was making the point that Frost's words only resonate if you WANT to be isolated. He did.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:25 pm

Nightshade wrote:Oh...and what's the difference between keeping possibly hostile people away from candidates...and possibly hostile people OUT of the country and away from ordinary citizens?

Practicality and proportion.

Why stop at just the fence if you want the police state we turn our political convention venues into extrapolated to the entire country? Lets make sure everyone displays their identification papers on easily visible lanyards. Lets confine our protests to an acceptably far off distance so that the festivities may not be disturbed. Lets boost our police force ten fold. Lets install cameras and stingrays every 50 yards.

Why is the White House more defended than the Governors mansion?

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:28 pm

The biggest problem with a wall along the southern border is the affect it would have on migrating wildlife.

Ehhhh, who cares about some stupid animals, anyway.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:59 pm

Most all of the migratory animals would be birds and butterflies. Not like Africa here where herds of mammals are on the move.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:23 pm

Well...if that is what you think...

vision · Post by **vision** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:10 pm

woodchip wrote:Most all of the migratory animals would be birds and butterflies. Not like Africa here where herds of mammals are on the move.

ARE YOU ★■◆●ing KIDDING ME?

On Wed May 07, 2014 you claimed to have a degree in Zoology, yet you seem to be completely clueless on animal migration?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:40 am

Just what herds of mammals are crossing the border on a annual migratory path? Bison? Peccaries? Deer? Elk? Oh wait...humans! Sorry my bad.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:48 pm

JFTR, I never said a damn thing about “herds” or “annual migratory paths”...you built that straw man yourself.

Remember migrate simply means "to move".

Now if you do some research you would find out there are many animals that need to cross the southern border, such as wolves and jaguars…and yes, even peccaries.

vision · Post by **vision** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:24 pm

Also elk and deer, wild hogs & boars, coyotes, and tons of smaller mammals and reptiles that are food for other species. Animals give no shits about human political constructs. The don't see borders.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:12 am

Animal migration is the relatively long-distance movement of individuals, usually on a seasonal basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_migration

Lets not confuse local range or territory with migration. Elk, Big Horn Sheep, Mountain Goats may migrate from high country to the valleys as the seasons change. I don't see the southern border being part of their migration pattern (haven't looked up information on the Desert Big Horns to see if they are impacted). Wolves and coyotes have territories and the wall may impact their territory but since they do not migrate there is no impact on that idea.

Now having said that if I was a good little liberal environmentalist, I'd look at endangered species and see if the wall would impact them. Hint...start with the Desert Tortoise.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:27 am

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110802/ ... 1.452.html
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilder ... g-wildlife

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:26 am

Grendel, the 2 links show the problems inherent with setting up a fence and segmenting populations. Still this has nothing to do with a back and forth yearly migration of species like you see in wildebeests in Africa or the yearly migration of snow geese. I have to take exception to the author in the second link where she use the term migration in lieu of range expansion for wild felines. Cats have territories and as their population increases the younger cats have to go to new areas to set up their territories. This is not migration. This is range expansion. A species range can increase or decrease from a number of factors such as habitat destruction or food availability. At any rate the links are good information. Best thing to stop the wall from being built...stop the flow of illegals by other means.

vision · Post by **vision** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:04 pm

Cool story bro. Keep focusing on migration instead of the ecosystem migrating animals depend on. Such depth of scope.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:29 am

vision wrote:Cool story bro. Keep focusing on migration instead of the ecosystem migrating animals depend on. Such depth of scope.

You've been learning from slick I see. Failed proving your point about animal migration so you switch to the ecosystem. Would you like to see pics of the illegal trashing the ecosystem with the trash they drop. Do you even know what a ecosystem is? Nice try at deflection tho.

vision · Post by **vision** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:54 am

My point is to show you never see the big picture and live in a bubble and you prove it for me in every thread.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:01 pm

Your point is showing how to change the message so you don't look bad. If you wanted to look at the big picture you should of said so instead of focusing on a misinterpretation of migration.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:59 pm

vision wrote:My point is to show you never see the big picture and live in a bubble and you prove it for me in every thread.

Given that woody doesn't believe in climate change, why would he even care about how Trump's border wall will screw over all the wildlife along the entire border zone? Just sayin.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:26 pm

The only wild life that will get screwed over are Mexicans.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:40 pm

nice. I can see why you are in the camp with the folks unable to see their fellow citizens, and potential immigrants as a longstanding asset, and view them as 'wildlife'. You've clearly found the candidate for you. I think you're about to see that the majority of us don't share that view, nor wish it to be how the world sees us, either.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:11 pm

Quite Frankly My Dear I don't give a crap for "assets" that sneak in and don't give a crap for our laws. Real immigrants apply and get in line. you wonder why Trump is so popular? It's because of the freebee mentality of people like you that thinks we need to cater to people who break our laws. Sorry, I don't buy it.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:17 pm

so, coming here, working, paying ALL taxes and raising educated children to contribute further isn't an asset in Woody-world? How sad to live in such a place. That isn't America, a nation built from the ground up by immigrants.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:04 pm

Maybe if our immigration policy wasn't below ★■◆●-tier we wouldn't see so many people resorting to entering the country illegally. But nah, let's kick 'em all out instead because that'll totally solve the problem!

vision · Post by **vision** » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:17 pm

woodchip wrote:Your point is showing how to change the message so you don't look bad. If you wanted to look at the big picture you should of said so instead of focusing on a misinterpretation of migration.

Here's the deal: Migrating animals depend on the ecosystem. Just because a bird can fly doesn't mean a wall won't hurt it.

This guy, a published and cited Wildlife Refuge Manager, believes "...the barrier would disrupt the migration of scores of species from jaguars to hawks and humming birds along a wildlife corridor linking northern Mexico and the U.S. southwest..." [source: Reuters, '06]

It's nice you have an opinion, but I'm going to value the opinion of a working wildlife professional over a guy who allegedly owns a construction company.

woodchip wrote:The only wild life that will get screwed over are Mexicans.

Classic chip. You also spelled wildlife wrong.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:29 am

so, what's that now? vietnam veteran, owns a construction company, has a degree in zoology... have I got all the woodchip lies down, or am I missing some?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:12 am

vision wrote: Here's the deal: Migrating animals depend on the ecosystem. Just because a bird can fly doesn't mean a wall won't hurt it.

This guy, a published and cited Wildlife Refuge Manager, believes "...the barrier would disrupt the migration of scores of species from jaguars to hawks and humming birds along a wildlife corridor linking northern Mexico and the U.S. southwest..." [source: Reuters, '06]

It's nice you have an opinion, but I'm going to value the opinion of a working wildlife professional over a guy who allegedly owns a construction company.

William Radke, the author of the paper you cited (in which he does not even use the term migration) does not make the quote and here is the complete quote:

Environmentalists and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service wardens say the barrier would disrupt the migration of scores of species from jaguars to hawks and humming birds along a wildlife corridor linking northern Mexico and the U.S. southwest known as the "Sky Islands.

Clever of you to omit the whole of the phrase so it sounds like it is coming from Radke instead of from the Reuters reporter. I suggest you read your cited paper where Radke does not mention migration once. He does mention the environmental impact of the smugglers and illegals crossing the border. The closest he comes is using the term pioneer species like the jaguar but that is just another term for territorial expansion. Yes he says that the lights on the wall "may" impact migratory birds but then we have that problem with city lights. I expect that putting up light fixtures that shine down on the ground and not up into the sky will help to minimize the impact on night navigating birds.

I suggest you understand or read more completely what you are linking. This last post of your reminds me of the Truffle hunter you cite as a global warming expert, who bought some environmental software and was blogging about his findings. I'm beginning to suspect you have no college degree in any science and just troll up things off the net that seem to support your direction of thought.

As to what I do now is irrelevant. I still have the sheepskin in Zoology and if you want I can send you a copy of the quarterly the dept sends out to its graduates. Maybe even dig up my diploma (which lays God knows where)

vision · Post by **vision** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:05 am

Still hung up on your migration gaffe, huh? The wall is Ok to build because birds can fly over it?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:07 am

My gaffe? You feeling butt hurt over this vision?