I don't think Hillary will make it.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:27 pm

It might end up being a "Weekend at Bernie's" episode if Clinton makes it to November:

The video shows someone that does NOT have a "minor" health condition.

Maybe if it were a single incident without all of the previous concerns and evidence that all is not well with Mrs. Clinton's health, it could be viewed as a one-off...but she clearly isn't well.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:47 pm

Tsk, tsk. She claims she was overheated, but the weather in New York this morning was pleasant in the high 60's with only a 55 degree dew point. That's pretty nice weather for anyone to attend an outside affair. No high heat or humidity. If it had been a 100 degrees with an 80 degree dew point, then yes, instant heatstroke. But now they say she's been diagnosed with pneumonia. That is a real problem for an older person, especially a person under stress.

http://abc13.com/politics/hillary-clint ... d/1506993/

Bardack says Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies, and in a follow-up examination Friday of her cough, Clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:49 pm

As I understand it both Hillary and Trump were at the 9/11 ceremony. Hillary felt fatigued while Trump didn't. So is someone who get worn out just sitting at a ceremony who we need running the country? Someone who can't handle the rigors of the office? It is said being POTUS ages you prematurely. What happens to someone who is aged and in poor health to begin with?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:01 pm

Well, Trump ain't no spring chicken either. He's slightly overweight and 2 years older than Hillary. Plus, he's never released his official medical records either, and that idiotic statement by his insane looking gastroenterologist is baloney. Trump should either put up or shut up about Hillary's health. Same with his tax returns. He's hiding something in either one of those unreleased items.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:35 pm

tunnelcat wrote:Well, Trump ain't no spring chicken either. He's slightly overweight and 2 years older than Hillary. Plus, he's never released his official medical records either, and that idiotic statement by his insane looking gastroenterologist is baloney. Trump should either put up or shut up about Hillary's health. Same with his tax returns. He's hiding something in either one of those unreleased items.

Yeah, like I said....almost ANY other republican would have won an election EASILY against Hillary - EXCEPT TRUMP.

Damn those Trumptards...damn them all!

vision · Post by **vision** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:43 pm

woodchip wrote:So is someone who has pneumonia who we need running the country?

FTFY.

Also, I wouldn't care if she was completely bedridden. Her ability to make decisions is what is important. The only bad decision she's made here is working while sick, something most of us do regularly.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:12 pm

vision wrote: Also, I wouldn't care if she was completely bedridden. Her ability to make decisions is what is important.

Her decision making is clearly quite impaired. WTF are you smoking?

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:15 pm

Working when sick, in a case where you don't have to, shows very poor judgment, if you ask me.

Yea, I work sick, but I don't really have a choice most of the time.

Poor judgment was something a member here posted about Hillary...that is until she became the nominee, then it became "who gives a ★■◆●".

vision · Post by **vision** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:04 pm

So Spidey, you work when you are sick because you don't have a choice, but for some reason you think she does? Care to elaborate? Think hard about what you are saying.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:24 pm

"Clarification from dem operatives @HillaryClinton pneumonia: Expect emergency DNC meeting to CONSIDER replacement. #HillarysHealth

— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) September 11, 2016"

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:45 pm

Looks like TB's back in child-sized tinfoil hats again. Someone spot him a new roll so he can make a bigger one that doesn't cut off the circulation to his brain so much.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:22 pm

vision wrote:So Spidey, you work when you are sick because you don't have a choice, but for some reason you think she does? Care to elaborate? Think hard about what you are saying.

I choose to work while sick because I have product to produce and deadlines to make, the ramifications of missing deadlines is a serious loss of income, the possible loss of a customer, and the potential of losing my business.

You said it yourself, Hillary already has this election won…so what would missing a few public appearances matter?

In fact, going to this one when having problems, has actually become counter productive.

vision · Post by **vision** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:34 pm

Spidey wrote:…so what would missing a few public appearances matter?

Unfortunately because of our idiotic electorate, every appearance matters. This woman has been under unreasonable scrutiny for decades and having the election "in the bag" doesn't change the fact her past, present, and future success hinges on things like these public appearances. It's the same ★■◆● people go crazy for when Obama is golfing while disaster relief efforts go on in Louisiana. We have a peculiarly irrational and sometimes idiotic population compared to the rest of the developed world.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:54 pm

Seriously, are you saying her supporters wouldn’t forgive her for taking a day off for health reasons?

Or, perhaps she really is in bad enough health to jeopardize her election, and is trying to hide that fact.

Either way, that was a pretty weak sauce counter point.

vision · Post by **vision** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:24 pm

Spidey wrote:Seriously, are you saying her supporters wouldn’t forgive her for taking a day off for health reasons?

Let's look at it from the perspective of her and her campaign. The importance of this extends beyond the campaign and includes supporters and detractors alike. There are trust issues. Even some of the Democratic base has a distrust about her. This isn't even acknowledging the tinfoil conspiracy ★■◆● about her concussion four years ago. Being out of the public eye for any length of time because of "health issues" does nothing to help build trust, and trust will be just as important after the campaign as before. However, being sick in front of everyone shows that this woman is just like everyone else who has a job to do. She's clearly a workaholic. It makes her more human. Now, it's unfortunate that she is sick enough to collapse in front of everyone because that is an extreme event and comes with it's own set of problems. But here's the thing: we can see her. We're not getting a guy at a press conference saying "she couldn't make it." This will make a big difference in the long run.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:30 am

This topic in a nutshell

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:12 am

Nightshade wrote:
vision wrote: Also, I wouldn't care if she was completely bedridden. Her ability to make decisions is what is important.
Her decision making is clearly quite impaired. WTF are you smoking?

you base this loony assertion upon WHAT? Ferfecksakes, she had pneumonia. Guess what? It's pretty common in this age group. Folks live through it, and it in no way affects judgement. Were she not running for President, she'd get bed rest for a few days and be fine. It isn't like the President requres a person never get sick. Get a grip upon history.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:42 am

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:56 am

callmeslick wrote:
Nightshade wrote:
vision wrote: Also, I wouldn't care if she was completely bedridden. Her ability to make decisions is what is important.
Her decision making is clearly quite impaired. WTF are you smoking?
you base this loony assertion upon WHAT? Ferfecksakes, she had pneumonia. Guess what? It's pretty common in this age group. Folks live through it, and it in no way affects judgement. Were she not running for President, she'd get bed rest for a few days and be fine. It isn't like the President requres a person never get sick. Get a grip upon history.

If she had pneumonia, why was she up and about hours later?:

After Hillary Clinton’s “medical episode” today, it was suddenly announced she was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday.

But that didn’t stop her from recklessly embracing a child on a New York City street on Sunday, despite the fact that the illness is contagious.

If she had pneumonia why was she coming in contact with a child? Poor judgement again? If not pneumonia, why the lie? I smell hiding the truth in full display.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:01 am

vision wrote:So Spidey, you work when you are sick because you don't have a choice, but for some reason you think she does?

Quite possibly the most asinine statement you have made in awhile. First off I suspect Spidey is not a multi-millionaire and can't afford not to work. Hillary Clinton OTOH is a millionaire and is not running for POTUS because she needs the job. She wants the power. She could be on her death bed and would still not stop running. The problem with people like you is you got too sucked into her that you fail to see the real reason she is running.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:06 am

callmeslick wrote:
Nightshade wrote:
vision wrote: Also, I wouldn't care if she was completely bedridden. Her ability to make decisions is what is important.
Her decision making is clearly quite impaired. WTF are you smoking?
you base this loony assertion upon WHAT? Ferfecksakes, she had pneumonia. Guess what? It's pretty common in this age group. Folks live through it, and it in no way affects judgement. Were she not running for President, she'd get bed rest for a few days and be fine. It isn't like the President requres a person never get sick. Get a grip upon history.

And how did you come to this looney assertion when hours later she is up and about? Pneumonia is a cover for something in all likelihood neurological.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:27 am

woodchip wrote:she had pneumonia, why was she up and about hours later?:

1. because you CAN with pneumonia. Unless elderly or infirm, you aren't bedridden, just a bit weaker until the antibiotics kick in.
2. because she's running for President and knows full well that idiots like you will be somehow tying this to fitness to be President.

the rest of your post is mostly idiocy and projection. Deplorable, frankly, to coin a phrase.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:53 am

callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:she had pneumonia, why was she up and about hours later?:
1. because you CAN with pneumonia. Unless elderly or infirm, you aren't bedridden, just a bit weaker until the antibiotics kick in.

Considering she is elderly with a history of fainting, she should of been in bed...as the whole world can now see. She should sticking to making cookies for her grandchildren and not trying to bake a pack of lies as to why she should be president.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:42 am

I don't consider 68 or even 70 elderly(despite Ben Carson's definitiion), and as I said, part of what you see here is the absolute pressure put upon a serious Presidential Candidate. No one is postponing the election, the expectations are sort of silly, and every day that goes by is valuable or perceived so. The woman is tough as nails, bottom line, and any consideration otherwise strikes me as sort of sexist. I note you didn't comment upon #2 which laid that whole matter out.

I am still waiting for the campaigns and the coverage to focus on the actual issues and platforms, but alas......

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:45 am

So when I found fault with Obama I was called racist. Now I am sexist because I criticize Hillary. How weak can you get.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:53 am

callmeslick wrote:
2. because she's running for President and knows full well that idiots like you will be somehow tying this to fitness to be President.

1.) Why hide the pneumonia diagnosis? First she lays blames on allergies now it is pneumonia. No wonder she is viewed as lying Hillary. Shows we can't trust her.

2.) Who made the call not to go to the hospital and when?. Why did she go to her daughters and not the hospital? She trying to hide something? Clinton's core vulnerability is that most Americans don't find her honest or trustworthy. Her most recent actions show why she should not be president as she is a pathological liar. The real idiots are those that keep defending her.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:27 am

It's interesting to see the Clinton Rules applied to health. She has to prove she will be alive in 4 years, otherwise we just don't know. I'm sure if she wins and has a stroke two years in, some will call it proof of her dishonesty.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:53 am

I'd be concerned she remains mentally viable until election day.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:13 am

You already don't think she's "mentally viable."

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:39 am

I think she is viable to the point she can bake cookies and converse with her daughter. I don't think she is viable to get into substantive discussion with someone like Putin.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:03 pm

woodchip wrote:So when I found fault with Obama I was called racist. Now I am sexist because I criticize Hillary. How weak can you get.

I'm basing the assertion on the very loud reaction of my spouse(a 58 year old woman), my daughter(28), and former female coworkers in the group I retired from(40-60 something, if they're honest about age). They clearly view, to a woman, this whole brouhaha as a slap in the face to every woman. They adamantly assert that women work sick until they drop, and damned if my experience doesn't tend to bear that out. I had to send women home to take sick days from time to time when they were clearly overreaching. Never had that issue with the men, some of whom would call out for hangnails or football games.........Now, the immediate nature and strong nature of the response took me aback. Being a man, the terms weren't so stark, but we'll see what kind of blowback comes from this criticism you are levelling. And, you've proven yourself pretty sexist with or without Hillary, to me, but I'll leave the female contingent to pass judgement beyond that.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:15 pm

Look close at the latest vids and watch how Hillarys whole body starts shaking. There is a lot more going on than allergies or pneumonia. I'll still stick with neurological. That being the case she should drop out. Only problem is too many donors have too much invested in her to let her drop out. As such I actually feel sorry for her.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:52 pm

woodchip wrote:There is a lot more going on than allergies or pneumonia. I'll still stick with neurological.

The doctor is IN.

vision · Post by **vision** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:11 pm

woodchip wrote:As such I actually feel sorry for her.

No you don't.

Interesting that you keep accusing her of being some power mad harpy. Let's assume for a moment she isn't a dedicated public servant. What makes her more power mad than Donald Trump? Is it simply the brand of authoritarianism you like? You like the feeling of validity you get when a tough-talking macho type says things about Blacks/Muslims/Mexicans you agree with? Seems rather simple-minded if you ask me.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:34 pm

Trump has power, Hillary has nothing right now.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:19 pm

woodchip wrote: Why hide the pneumonia diagnosis? First she lays blames on allergies now it is pneumonia. No wonder she is viewed as lying Hillary. Shows we can't trust her.

seriously? When you start getting symptoms this time of the year, allergies are the first go-to for anyone with a record of seasonal allergies(see her very real, and not faked, medical release from earlier this year).

2.) Who made the call not to go to the hospital and when?. Why did she go to her daughters and not the hospital? She trying to hide something? Clinton's core vulnerability is that most Americans don't find her honest or trustworthy. Her most recent actions show why she should not be president as she is a pathological liar. The real idiots are those that keep defending her.

why would you go to a hospital for fainting, or exhaustion? Who the hell does that? Your recent posts, trying to tie this to trustworthiness seem to show a desperation, likely because the debates are looming and your candidate hasn't a clue.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:48 pm

woodchip wrote:I think she is viable to the point she can bake cookies and converse with her daughter. I don't think she is viable to get into substantive discussion with someone like Putin.

You know what's bothering me about all this, from a woman's perspective? When a man gets sick and shows it, and yet decides to soldier on through his illness in order to get the job done, he's considered brave, strong and stoic and everybody cheers him on to keep going. John McCain was a good example of this, after having gone through all that cancer treatment. When a women gets sick and decides to keep working through it, she's considered weak and ineffectual, the subtext of which means she's no longer able perform her job and that she should just return to baking cookies and cleaning house like a good woman should. What utter chauvinist crap. Women all over had better wake up to this type of old male BS!

The only mistake Hillary's campaign made was being secretive about her illness. They suspected she had an illness of some sort on Friday because she had already gone to her doctor and was told to take it easy. I'm sure that they were probably waiting for the lab results to be sure of the diagnosis. Bacterial pneumonia is a common illness for older people to get and some rest and antibiotics will solve the problem. Why come up with a ridiculous excuse like "she was overheated" when she was clearly having some type of medical issue? That DOES make her sound weak and ineffectual. Why not tell the public the truth, ON FRIDAY, that they were waiting for the results of the lab tests to confirm the diagnosis? It sure would have turned out a lot better than lying and covering it up for a couple of days. That only reinforces the untrustworthy opinion a lot of people have about her, which also gives the right wing crazy sphere some new ammunition. What were her press handlers thinking? Are they a bunch of idiots?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:53 pm

woodchip wrote:Trump has power

what power does he have?

,

Hillary has nothing right now.

except for the overwhelming likelihood she is going to be the 45th President of the US. Nothing.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:57 pm

TC--'overheated' is sort of a layman's 'dehydrated'.....precisely what happens when you have an infection and take antibiotics. Thus, her people were merely reporting a symptom, with no idea, probably, as to why since that isn't what they deal in, most likely.

Otherwise, TC, thanks for the female perspective. You seem pretty much in line with my wife, daughter and others....."wait a minute, if a man works to exhaustion it's a sign of strength, and if a woman does so, she might not be fit for the job?" I tell you, they are STILL hot everytime some talking head on the news suggests that line of thinking.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:12 pm

"Overheated" is still a coded word to use for describing a woman who's ill and nearly passing out. They, Hillary's handlers and the press, might as well have said she had "hysteria" for all the negative impact it had in the news. I'll bet you dollars to donuts that no one anywhere would have described a man who got sick on the job using the word "overheated". Why didn't they just use the word "dehydrated" in the first place?