A Shot in the Dark

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:58 pm

And he missed by a country mile, pun intended. Apparently, to Trump, some country's Muslims are better than other country's Muslims. His new Muslim immigration ban conveniently doesn't include the one country the 9/11 hijackers and the founder of Al Qaeda came from, namely Saudi Arabia. He also left out a couple of other countries that are known exporters of terrorists to the U.S., like Pakistan and Afghanistan. I guess Trump also doesn't seem to remember that most of the recent terrorist attacks were perpetrated by U.S. citizens.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... tive-order

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:36 pm

let's not forget Egypt. Home to the other 9/11 hijackers and half the intellectual leadership of Al Qaeda. One again, the US is a humiliated embarrassment on the global stage, and it's only been a week.

also, 3 lawsuits out of this that will be SCOTUS level if Trump chooses to fight them, as I'm certain every circuit court in the Federal Judiciary will reject the whole ugly thing as blatantly Unconstitutional. Add in the 17 extant lawsuits around self-dealing and conflicts of interest, and we'll be bumping the Federal Debt simply litigating the Tangerine Man's brain farts.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:38 pm

funny, I look at this latest set of orders as something close to a Shot in the Dark. Only have to change 2 letters in the last word, as a matter of fact, to see what we're doing to ourselves.

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:40 pm

The other misstep is banning current green card holders.

That was a bad move- green card holders have at least gone through a process to get their documentation and should be allowed to return. This is also a smaller pool of resident aliens that can be more easily tracked for "known wolves" - people with radical ties or activities that may be terror related.

I do agree with the temporary "muslim ban" - however this should only apply to new refugees and not people that are already in the system.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:11 pm

the fallout already, and the optics of it, worldwide, makes this an unmitigated disaster, especially when middle eastern terrorists have killed less Americans than toddlers over the past 10 years.

Logan · Post by **Logan** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:04 pm

Nightshade wrote:The other misstep is banning current green card holders.

That was a bad move- green card holders have at least gone through a process to get their documentation and should be allowed to return. This is also a smaller pool of resident aliens that can be more easily tracked for "known wolves" - people with radical ties or activities that may be terror related.

I do agree with the temporary "muslim ban" - however this should only apply to new refugees and not people that are already in the system.

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Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:32 pm

Logan wrote:of course you agree with the "temporary muslim ban" YOU ★■◆●ing BIGOT!

Hey, my religion says to "kill the unbelievers and take their women and children as chattel." Not a believer in my religion? Would you let me into your house?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:01 pm

I love my fellow Americans. I really do, sometimes. I realize the truly deranged and deluded number no more than 35% if the population, at best. Sanity will prevail. The Brooklyn circuit of the Federal Courts put a quick hold on that unconstitutional international disgrace from the Cheetolini. The Federal Courts will be this nations last and best line of defense. Lifetime appointments, decent citizens on the bench, by and large, and a hell of a lot of independance will show themselves to be useful. Frankly, one of the truest tests if this little tripartite experiment that was set up in the late 18th century lasts.....

Nightshade · Post by **Nightshade** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:47 am

Do you remember 2013?

Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints.

"We are currently supporting dozens of current counter-terrorism investigations like that," FBI Agent Gregory Carl, director of the Terrorist Explosive Device Analytical Center (TEDAC), said in an ABC News interview to be broadcast tonight on ABC News' "World News with Diane Sawyer" and "Nightline".

"I wouldn't be surprised if there were many more than that," said House Committee on Homeland Security Chairman Michael McCaul. "And these are trained terrorists in the art of bombmaking that are inside the United States; and quite frankly, from a homeland security perspective, that really concerns me."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda- ... d=20931131

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:12 am

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:14 am

oh, NS, this is ok, then, because there is a clear plan, right? Despite the fact Muslims have killed less Americans that toddlers over the past 10 years, and most of the source natons for hijackers aren't even on Mr Self-dealing's list? Heres the clearly stated plan:

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:49 pm

Watched the news shows this morning. Priebus was asked about those missing countries from Trump's ban list. All he could say was that they would look into it. Uh huh. Suuuuuure. Trump does business with the Saudis and America gets oil from them too. They won't be banned anytime soon I'm guessing, so look for the next big terrorist attack to come from that country since we won't have our eyes on that quarter. As for Iraq also being in the ban, there are stirrings now in Iraq about no longer cooperating with us or our military in the fight against ISIS. They're taking just a little exception to being banned and I don't blame them.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:58 am

That's all that's needed. A second monumental fuckup in that country. The last one cost ten years and who knows how much money.

because the amount of immigrants that you can count on one hand that have committed terrorist acts is SUCH a justification for the hell he's put thousands of people through and the destruction of international ties that were just rebuilt.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:12 am

not just that, Ferno. One can already see the rest of the civilized world shutting the doors to us. Look at the debate on the floor of Parliment as to whether to even allow the POTUS in their country.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:20 am

for all the slagging in our society upon lawyers, it's nice to know the competent ones are still around.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:34 am

The President fired Sally Gates because she was insubordinate and would not do as she was ordered. You can paint your new found heroine how ever you want but she was fired for not doing her job.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:14 am

it is not the job of the US Attorney general to 'do as ordered'. She is responsible for upholding the Constitution first, as she sees it. So is the Cheeto Hitler, but he doesn't mind. Anyhow the incident is buoying to me. Nixon did the same thing and didn't last a year. At this rate, I give Trump until July.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:32 am

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4653400/ ... ial-orders

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:47 am

woodchip wrote:The President fired Sally Gates because she was insubordinate and would not do as she was ordered. You can paint your new found heroine how ever you want but she was fired for not doing her job.

She WAS doing her job. Her job was to oversee the law was abided by. Not to let abuses happen.

Trump just didn't like it, and so like the ten year old he is; he threw a tantrum and canned her.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:55 am

oh,and in related news(fake news):
http://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/30907 ... ammad.html

good site for sorting and evaluating dubious news, by the way.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:10 pm

Nice site.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:08 pm

callmeslick wrote:

I love my fellow Americans. I really do, sometimes. I realize the truly deranged and deluded number no more than 35% if the population, at best. Sanity will prevail. The Brooklyn circuit of the Federal Courts put a quick hold on that unconstitutional international disgrace from the Cheetolini. The Federal Courts will be this nations last and best line of defense. Lifetime appointments, decent citizens on the bench, by and large, and a hell of a lot of independance will show themselves to be useful. Frankly, one of the truest tests if this little tripartite experiment that was set up in the late 18th century lasts.....

Except Trumps directive says nothing about Muslims or any other religion. As usual the left makes up fake news. Good to see the usual suspects getting sucked in.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:12 pm

callmeslick wrote:it is not the job of the US Attorney general to 'do as ordered'. She is responsible for upholding the Constitution first, as she sees it. So is the Cheeto Hitler, but he doesn't mind. Anyhow the incident is buoying to me. Nixon did the same thing and didn't last a year. At this rate, I give Trump until July.

Sure, she can do whatever she wants but she serves at the pleasure of the president. If she didn't like doing what she was told to do, she should of resigned. How long do you think Lynch would of lasted if she decided to prosecute Hillary? Or go after illegal immigrants?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:49 pm

more nonsense. Lynch handled most everything very evenhandedly. Could have prosecuted Comey et al for Hatch act violations had she wanted to. Oh, and given the budget, Obama was considered quite aggressive in going after illegal aliens. He did deport about 2.2 million of them.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:08 pm

woodchip wrote:Except Trumps directive says nothing about Muslims or any other religion. As usual the left makes up fake news. Good to see the usual suspects getting sucked in.

It doesn't have to. Every one of those countries has a Muslim majority, so by specifically targeting those countries, he's targeting Muslims. Remember, Trump unequivocally stated during the campaign that he wanted a "temporary ban on ALL MUSLIMS entering the country". Do I have to post a video of that particular campaign speech already to prove it? By the way, Saudi Arabia has given the world the most terrorists. Why not put a ban on people from that country?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:13 pm

woodchip wrote: Except Trumps directive says nothing about Muslims or any other religion.

There is no ★■◆●ing way you can expect anyone with half a brain to swallow this bull★■◆●.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:39 pm

Top Gun wrote:
woodchip wrote: Except Trumps directive says nothing about Muslims or any other religion.
There is no ★■◆●ing way you can expect anyone with half a brain to swallow this bull★■◆●.

I have a different opinion. Of course, the CIA trained for war and terrorism, the whole Middle East.
But in Russia there is a whole army of terrorists, which sits quietly and is only waiting for the order.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:22 am

woodchip wrote:Except Trumps directive says nothing about Muslims or any other religion. As usual the left makes up fake news. Good to see the usual suspects getting sucked in.

Holeeee ★■◆● do you not even see what you type? Of course it's a muslim ban, you weapons-grade gentleman's sausage eater. Telling us otherwise is telling us that the rest of the world who have brains in their head are wrong.

I'm not going to give you facts because you don't listen to facts. Even if I did, they wouldn't change your mind. I won't even mock. I'll attack so much that I'll force a thread closure. Because it's the only way to stop you from repeating the same bull★■◆● you've been spewing here for years.

And I don't give a damn if my personal attack gets deleted. I'll do it again, and again, and again. I guess the mods will have to make a choice. They can either mark out what I say in red and let you continue your trainwrecks and thread abortions with no resistance, or they can let them stay and maybe they'll drill the idea in that you ★■◆● isn't welcome here.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:14 am

meanwhile, in the Eastern Ukraine......

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:58 am

Funny how I don't hear about Muslims not allowed entry into our country from:
Indonesia
Canada
South America
etc

Of course when all you gobble up is left wing propaganda I guess you will live your lives in ignorance.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:20 am

Meanwhile, in the Eastern Ukraine, Russia has been on an incursion of increasing intensity which oddly coincided with Cheetolini taking the reins.
Given he fucked up a tiny raid in Yemen by early reports, lets see how he makes out putting the big boy pants on. Asian investments here I come, along with African commodity markets.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:53 am

callmeslick wrote:meanwhile, in the Eastern Ukraine......

What is your business that in the Eastern Ukraine?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:18 am

no more than Russia's. What the ★■◆● are YOUR nation's dollars doing rolling into the place for a week?

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:25 am

callmeslick wrote:no more than Russia's. What the ★■◆● are YOUR nation's dollars doing rolling into the place for a week?

Dude, refocus capital investment center can be very quick. Just as long as it is not necessary. Let's see what will do the Donald Trump.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:41 am

woodchip wrote:Funny how I don't hear about Muslims not allowed entry into our country from:
Indonesia
Canada
South America
etc

Saudi Arabia, Egypt come to mind...

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:26 pm

Grendel wrote:
woodchip wrote:Funny how I don't hear about Muslims not allowed entry into our country from:
Indonesia
Canada
South America
etc
Saudi Arabia, Egypt come to mind...

My question for woodchip too. Any comment woodchip or are you going to stay silent?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:34 pm

woodchip wrote:
Sure, she can do whatever she wants but she serves at the pleasure of the president. If she didn't like doing what she was told to do, she should of resigned. How long do you think Lynch would of lasted if she decided to prosecute Hillary? Or go after illegal immigrants?

Everyone take note of this. This is one of the plays the alt-righters do.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:47 pm

It's a form of gaslighting, Ferno.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:25 pm

Oh yeah, definitely. They also use dog whistle politics and poisoning the well.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:12 pm

https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/videos ... 252568812/

well played. Would be funny as hell, but he's about right for 65% of the nation about now......