My Mars findings

Sudanamaru · Post by **Sudanamaru** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:41 am

I spent lot of time on that, you may take a look.

http://gravity.webhostme.com/mars/

Scroll down for images.

Page 1 and 2 is full of full sized images (no thumbs yet), sevaral MB's in total do load.

Dont miss the "Venus" at page 3.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:40 am

hmm.

I have a problem with this sorta thing. Remember that this data is sent a long LONG ways through space before we get it for compiling. It would make sense to me that some of these are anomolies due to data corruption Or just starting at a picture too long. Those pattern pictures that you are able to see stuff in (which I never could) is a pretty good example of this.

The suspicious "flowering thing" really only appears to be a small rock particle casting a shadow. For year, there was a lot of excitement over photos taken of Mar of possible "structures". We know where that led.

Please forgive me. I don't mean to be so negative as I know I am now. You obviously have put a lot of work into this. (incidently, My firwall reguards the images as "Ads" and won't show them click on them.) What I really want to see as far as life on Mars is a soil sample that contains native DNA. And to be honest, I haven't been following any of this. It's kinda like that meteior they found several years back and said it was from Mars. ...HUH? how do they know that? I doubt it had a label "Made in Mars" stuck on it somewhere. I never heard an explanation on this, but it would seem that it is only a guess, even if it's an educated guess (some evidence to support the idea).

Again, I really apologize. My intent is not to rip on anyone. It's just that this seems a little like grasping for straws.

Sudanamaru · Post by **Sudanamaru** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:39 pm

The suspicious "flowering thing" really only appears to be a small rock particle casting a shadow. For year, there was a lot of excitement over photos taken of Mars of possible "structures". We know where that led.

The shadow is belong of the object at the left,if the flower was feature of this shadow, it would be very difficult to explain why the shadow contain parsed dark areas and how this branched shape go outside of the shadow. I can only think this branched figure
is at on forground. I do not suggest this could be anything but a complex shaped microscopic object, thanks to the shadow.

The full picture
(http://gravity.webhostme.com/mars/1m137 ... flower.png) have small box on the upper right corner showing this picture taken from another image. If there would be a data corruption (unlikely becuse there would be CRC or other error checks), it would not possible to errors on multiple images resulting the same figure as a artifact.

> My firwall reguards the images as "Ads" and won't show them click on them.)

You may still able to right click and do a "Save shotcut/link as".

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:43 pm

Duper - it's easy to tell if a meteorite comes from Mars. Simply extract and measure the atmosphere trapped inside tiny glass spheres inside the rock. These spheres are gas tight, and completely inert. Extract gas, measure quantities of various gases. Match gas percentages to atmosphere of Mars. YOU'RE DONE!

ALH-84001 was blown off Mars and spent between 13 and 20 million years orbiting the sun until it fell to Earth where it was collected only a few thousand years after landing. (It was found in Ice in Antarctica).

Sudanamaru, once again, you're extrapolating stuff which the facts and observations simply don't support.

Consider only the following facts to in relation to your own "findings".

1) NASA have a bunch of Ph.D's examining these photos in the most minute detail. These guys have forgotten more geology and biology than you'll ever know.

2) They've been specifically trained in the art of photographic analysis.

3) NASA actually WANT to find signs of life and biology. Don't you think that if there was the SLIGHTEST chance of finding something, that the photographic analysis team would ask for more observations?

4) Conventional geology is all that's required to explain the "spherules" -- they are concretions. Plain and simple. Created by Ion Migration, they are not indicative of any life process.

What IS interesting about concretions is what they form AROUND. Typically, concretions form around dead plant or animal matter on Earth. Many fossil Trilobytes are found inside larger concretions. Often things like teeth, and bone are found inside concretions too.

It seems unlikely that dead biological matter is responsible for hundreds of millions of concretions on Mars, but examining the cores of them would provide better answers.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:11 pm

Mobius wrote:Duper - it's easy to tell if a meteorite comes from Mars. Simply extract and measure the atmosphere trapped inside tiny glass spheres inside the rock. These spheres are gas tight, and completely inert. Extract gas, measure quantities of various gases. Match gas percentages to atmosphere of Mars. YOU'RE DONE!

ALH-84001 was blown off Mars and spent between 13 and 20 million years orbiting the sun until it fell to Earth where it was collected only a few thousand years after landing. (It was found in Ice in Antarctica).

ok, but I have a hard time believeing that the atmosphere it the same now (from which are extrapilating comparative data) as it was 13 to 20 MILLION years ago.

Wolf on Air · Post by **Wolf on Air** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:20 pm

Duper wrote:ok, but I have a hard time believeing that the atmosphere it the same now (from which are extrapilating comparative data) as it was 13 to 20 MILLION years ago.

A couple of million years isn't too much on astronomical scales. As for the atmosphere - how would it change exactly? Mars has been geothermally inert for a long long time, so it'd take a few million gas-bearing comets or something to actually make a noticable difference in the atmospheric composition. The only thing that's happened since is that the atmosphere has lost a lot of density to solar wind (no magnetic field to shield it).

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:47 pm

Wolf on Air wrote:
Duper wrote:ok, but I have a hard time believeing that the atmosphere it the same now (from which are extrapilating comparative data) as it was 13 to 20 MILLION years ago.
A couple of million years isn't too much on astronomical scales. As for the atmosphere - how would it change exactly? Mars has been geothermally inert for a long long time, so it'd take a few million gas-bearing comets or something to actually make a noticable difference in the atmospheric composition. The only thing that's happened since is that the atmosphere has lost a lot of density to solar wind (no magnetic field to shield it).

really, you've got to be kidding. 13 to 20 million years is a bit more than "a couple" or several for that matter. Earth's atmoshpere has changed as well as shifting on it's axis. ... how did THAT happen?.

Either way. There is a good deal of guess work involved. That's why it's called a theory.

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:36 pm

Considering the change in earth's atmosphere occured over billions of years...

And probably hasn't changed much naturally since the dinosaurs.