Nightshade wrote:Tunnelcat wrote:Why does it seem so important to YOU?
It's not. That's what I've been saying on this BB for ages.
Then why do you keep posting inflammatory stuff that reeks of
anything anti-liberal? You rarely if at all post things that everyone here would consider valid topics to discuss in an intelligent manner. Every once in a while you do, kudos to you, but then you seem to refuse to continue the discussion. It's always postings to show everyone how
bad or hypocritical those liberals are, without acknowledging some of the vile faults and hypocrisy in your own camp. Sometimes I think you post inflammatory anti-liberal stuff just to get a rise out of the lefties here, and rise they do, myself sometimes included. I DO acknowledge that liberalism has it's own big faults and sometimes I'll point them out or even vote against their platform in an election, but do you
ever acknowledge the many faults of conservatism? Yes, they DO have them as well. Every political platform or ideal has it's uncomfortable or inconvenient truths that it's adherents don't like to have laid bare. Your perceptions and biases about liberals are just as
invalid as those of many of the liberals have here have about conservatives. In fact, I tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Does that automatically make me a hated liberal because I'm a social liberal?
Nightshade wrote:Tunnelcat wrote:I haven't seen you repudiate Nazism or White Supremacy in the strongest possible terms, yet you voted for a president who wore that moniker on his sleeve like a badge of honor and used it to unite a racist white male base just to win the presidency.
Do you really need to see me repudiate something that's so obviously evil a moron (except for Trump) could tell is...well...evil?
I voted against someone...not for someone. People did this during this last election or were you awake?
I voted
against someone as well. I didn't vote for EITHER Trump or Clinton. Both were repugnant and even though I lean liberal, I'm a registered Independent. YOU yourself could have perhaps voted for a third party
instead of voting for Trump, who was already using vile divisive rhetoric back during his campaign, giving all of us a taste of what he'd be like as president. In fact, it's even worse than I ever dreamed of and I could envision some pretty awful things. You had a clear indication of what type of president he would become and yet you
still voted for him (at least that's what you've indicated before).
Nightshade wrote:Tunnelcat wrote:You're a member of the Republican Party, which now seems to be the party of the xenophobes, white nationalists and Nazis.
I'm a conservative, not a republican. And no, they don't "seem" to be racists or anything else leftists want to slanderously tar and feather an entire party with simply because a loudmouthed moron that was a democrat all of 5 minutes ago became the nominee against every conservative's wishes for a candidate this last election.
Are you a registered Independent, or a Republican? If you're an independent, my apologies. Let me put it this way, racists and xenophobes tend to be conservative. Things or people that are different from them put them outside their comfort zone, so they resist change. As I've gotten older, I've also become a little more conservative. Change requires far more energy than I can possibly give.
As to your Southern Strategy rebuttal, it's only since the Dixiecrat movement (look it up) that the Southern Dems
slowly over time moved themselves over to the Republican Party. Religion also played a role in that as well.
http://www.alternet.org/books/why-racis ... nservative
And I don't deny that at one time, the Democratic Party was the party of slavery and the Republican Party was the party of the abolitionists and that they've now reversed course to the point that they've become their own worst enemy.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colu ... olumn.html
Nightshade wrote:Tunnelcat wrote:ever since LBJ's passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and then Nixon's Southern Strategy, it's been the Republicans who've embraced the Southern racists, all in order to get more votes and win. Republicans have been the ones dancing with the devil. Is your party now having a little bout of cognitive dissonance since they elected Trump?
Another take on the revised Southern Strategy, Trump style:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... gy/495719/
GOP style from the perspective of a former Democratic Senator from Wisconsin (if I can find an enlightened Republican's view, I'll post it):
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-p ... 11327.html
Nightshade wrote:Tunnelcat wrote:The "intersectionalism" I was talking about in your other thread seems to have occurred in your own party and now they OWN it, not the liberals. Oh, and that's yet another topic you've seen fit to abandon because you've had no desire to discuss it.
They, in fact, do NOT "own" it. Who is re-segregating the universities? Communities? Political movements? I'm talking about today, not 50 years ago.
Actually, Republicans DO own it, at least with the universities. They're the ones re-segregating them and they're doing it through wealth manipulation. They're the ones who hated the university intellectualism. They couldn't pull the wool over the eyes of smart people, so they strove to get rid of them. More stupid voters, more Republican voters. They're the ones who've been cutting state college funding ever since Reagan. It's now wealth inequity that's the issue and not necessarily race, although race does track with being in poverty. But the kicker is that now the poorer middle class white families can't afford it either. I went to college on an income from my summer jobs. No loans needed. Now, forget about graduating without a huge debt to "The Man", in other words, the young generation, black or white, are now slaves to the big banks and corporate America.
Nightshade wrote:The reason there is a rise in visibility (NOT popularity) of white supremacists is that they see themselves as yet another identity group that is seeing an opportunity to say "HEY, ME TOO" at the clusterpluck of rising identity political movements.
I have no doubt that "white America" sees itself under attack. They've been emasculated. With the loss of manufacturing jobs and the middle class, they have a right to be bitter and angry. What they DON'T have a right to be angry about is the freedoms given to formerly marginalized groups like women, non-whites, immigrants and homosexuals. Taking away someone's rights because you don't like the rise of their social status can't be undone without a big fight. The time has come to be equals in society and not be kings on a throne. I know that white men especially don't like being knocked off their thrones, but to align with Nazis, Fascists and White Supremacists is only going to make everyone else alienate them even more, because being a Nazi or White Supremacist is the most repugnant thing in the history of the world and it's a no-win strategy. It's certainly not going to garner sympathy.
