Are you still #with her?

[Nightshade]

Yep...she wants to run again.

The messages convey a sense of urgency, and are coming with increasing frequency. They are short, focused reactions to the latest “outrage” committed by President Trump.

Some end by asking for money, some urge participation in protests. All read as if they are sent from the official headquarters of the resistance.

Hillary Clinton is up to something.

Five times in the last month alone, she sent e-mails touting her super PAC’s role in combating President Trump. Most seized on headline events, such as the family-separation issue at the southern border.

Under the message line, “horrific,” she wrote June 18: “This is a moral and humanitarian crisis. Everyone of us who has ever held a child in their arms, and every human being with a sense of compassion and decency should be outraged.” She said she warned about Trump’s immigration policies during the 2016 campaign.

Three days later, she was back again, saying that her group, Onward Together, raised $1 million and would split it among organizations working to change border policy, including the American Civil Liberties Union and a gaggle of immigrant, refugee, Latino and women’s groups.

And the day after Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy announced his retirement, Clinton introduced a newly minted resistance partner. Called Demand Justice, it promises to protect “reproductive rights, voting rights and access to health care” by keeping Senate Democrats united in opposing any conservative Trump nominee.

The instant, in-house nature of Demand Justice was reflected by the name of its executive director: Brian Fallon, Clinton’s campaign press secretary.

In truth, Fallon’s role doesn’t tell us something we didn’t know. Onward Together, formed in May of 2017, is a Clinton 2020 campaign vehicle in waiting.

Its homepage says the group “is dedicated to advancing the vision that earned nearly 66 million votes in the last election.”

Advancing the vision? More like advancing the candidate who collected those votes despite not having a vision.

With the Democratic Party locked in a battle between its far left wing and its far, far left wing, no single leader has emerged to unite it. Clinton is trying to play that role by being a mother hen to the fledgling activists drawn to politics by their hatred of Trump.

If they were active in 2016, most probably supported Bernie Sanders in his primary challenge to Clinton. But by helping to fund them now, she is putting them in her debt for later.

Ah, but will she need their support later? Is she really going to make a third run for the White House?

Not long ago, I told a group of friends, all liberal Dems, that I believed she was keeping open the possibility of a rematch against Trump, and might already have decided to run.

It was unanimous — they were horrified. “I would not give her a single cent,” one man, formerly a big donor to Clinton, said emphatically.

Their reasons are no surprise: Her moment has passed, she was a terrible candidate and her endless claims of victimhood are tiring rather than inspiring. It’s time to find new blood.

Those assessments are unassailable, and certainly are shared by the 20 or so Dems lining up to take their shot at the nomination.

Moreover, there isn’t any clamoring for another Clinton run in Hollywood or other leftist hotbeds. They want a new blockbuster, not a sequel to failure.

So she’s toast, right? Maybe.

On the other hand, the odds are zero that she is playing community organizer just to be a kingmaker. When it comes to money and power, the Clintons assume charity begins at home.

Here’s how I believe she sees the playing field, and why she can’t be ignored.

First, because there’s no clear front-runner for the nomination 18 months into Trump’s presidency, Clinton remains the closest thing to an incumbent. She’s also got numerous advantages, from name recognition to campaign experience to an off-the-shelf Cabinet, that could give her a head start.

Second, a crowded, diverse field diminishes the chances of anyone knocking her off. Recall how Trump outlasted 16 GOP rivals by having a committed core of supporters that grew as the field shrunk. Clinton could be in a similar position — unpopular among many, but also unbeatable by a single opponent.

Third, looking ahead to the 2020 primaries, she sees no reason to fear the favorite daughters and sons in key blue states. She would almost certainly beat Sen. Kamala Harris in California, Sen. Cory Booker in New Jersey and Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York.

And please — forget Sanders and Joe Biden. Sanders is already 76 and Biden, at 75, has never been a viable candidate for president and still isn’t.

Fourth, money is not an issue. Some donors will resist Clinton at first, but any Dem nominee can count on all the money in the world to run against Trump.

To be clear, there are scenarios where Clinton doesn’t run. Health reasons, for example, or a younger rival could rocket to the top of the pack and become the party’s next Barack Obama. Either way, recurring nightmares of two previous defeats would send her back to wandering through the Chappaqua woods.

For now, I am convinced Clinton wants to go for it. Doubters should recall the line about pols who get the presidential itch: There are only two cures — election or death.

Besides, the third time could be the charm.

https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/is-hillar ... n-in-2020/

[Tunnelcat]

If she ran on the Democratic Party ticket, it would be political suicide for the party. The woman needs to go quietly into the night and save us all the grief. She had her chance and lost.

[Top Gun]

With the Democratic Party locked in a battle between its far left wing and its far, far left wing

This is hilariously out-of-touch. The Democrats don't have anything remotely resembling a "far, far left-wing.". They have vaguely-leftish and center-right, with Clinton squarely in the latter.

[Tunnelcat]

With the Democratic Party locked in a battle between its far left wing and its far, far left wing

This is hilariously out-of-touch. The Democrats don't have anything remotely resembling a "far, far left-wing.". They have vaguely-leftish and center-right, with Clinton squarely in the latter.

We do have the Occupy/BLM/Warren/Sanders branch of the Democratic Party who are attracting more and more young people right now and they're leaning farther to the left than the mainstream Dems.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ft/419112/

[Top Gun]

Further certainly, but they're only "far-far left" when viewed through the skewed-so-far-right-it's-sad American political spectrum.

[Nightshade]

Further certainly, but they're only "far-far left" when viewed through the skewed-so-far-right-it's-sad American political spectrum.

There is a radical right, white supremacists and so on.

There is also a radical violent left. Are you kidding?

[Top Gun]

Did I say they don't exist? Do you comprehend basic concepts? The answers may shock you!

[Tunnelcat]

Further certainly, but they're only "far-far left" when viewed through the skewed-so-far-right-it's-sad American political spectrum.

There is a radical right, white supremacists and so on.

There is also a radical violent left. Are you kidding?

Your point? Both sides certainly play the game. The right has been pulling hard to the right for years, so the left's reaction is not so surprising. In fact, moderate Republicans are now an extinct species.

[Ferno]

What happened?

I'll tell you what happened.

The republican party went from a reasonable party which actually cared about issues important to the health of the country, to a nationalistic law-and-order party who are beholden only to the wealthy elite. Remember the Ferengi's 48th Rule of Acquisition when they give you their pitch.

[Vander]

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

The Civil Rights Act?

[Tunnelcat]

What happened?

I'll tell you what happened.

The republican party went from a reasonable party which actually cared about issues important to the health of the country, to a nationalistic law-and-order party who are beholden only to the wealthy elite. Remember the Ferengi's 48th Rule of Acquisition when they give you their pitch.

This one?

"The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife."

I think the 10th and the 34th are more apropos.

10th Rule - "Greed is eternal"

34th Rule - "War is good for business."

And the 33rd applies to the current crop of Republicans.

33rd Rule - "It never hurts to suck up to the boss."

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?

The Civil Rights Act?

Yep. Nixon's Southern Strategy. Pick up all the disaffected Southern Racist Democrats. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Ferno]

Yeah, I know a lot of you can't stand hillary. But, you know what? Its either her or Trump. So put away your ill content for her, and vote her -- and anyone who cares about the country -- in.

Its that or lose what you have left to the sycophants, wannabe oligarchs and Putin's lackeys.

[LightWolf]

Or get someone else in the primary

[Vander]

Yeah, I know a lot of you can't stand hillary. But, you know what? Its either her or Trump.

Two years ago called, they want their argument back.

[Ferno]

Unfortunately, nobody believed it, and nobody acted on it.

I know a few of us saw Trump for the snake he was back then.

[Vander]

Spilt milk. The question is what's to be done about it. I can't even fathom thinking the answer should be handing the next glass of milk to the same person that spilled the last one.

[Tunnelcat]

Spilt milk. The question is what's to be done about it. I can't even fathom thinking the answer should be handing the next glass of milk to the same person that spilled the last one.

That's my thought exactly. There MUST be someone out there worthy of leading the Democratic Party who isn't stuck in the ways of the past and has new ideas to offer.

[vision]

This conversation is also the byproduct of Russian propaganda. Hillary is not considering running and will not be on a ticket. There is no proof to show otherwise. This is another attempt to stir up divisions in a party poised to make headway in the midterm elections. Right wing author, right wing magazine, posted here by a known gullible right wing extremist.

/thread

[Ferno]

Spilt milk. The question is what's to be done about it. I can't even fathom thinking the answer should be handing the next glass of milk to the same person that spilled the last one.

That's my thought exactly. There MUST be someone out there worthy of leading the Democratic Party who isn't stuck in the ways of the past and has new ideas to offer.

Beto?

[Nightshade]

This conversation is also the byproduct of Russian propaganda. Hillary is not considering running and will not be on a ticket. There is no proof to show otherwise. This is another attempt to stir up divisions in a party poised to make headway in the midterm elections. Right wing author, right wing magazine, posted here by a known gullible right wing extremist.

/thread

Well, hopefully the candidate will be as bat sh1t crazy left wing as the democrats seem to be heading and alienate the majority of the country in the process. That way we won't have to endure years of democratic party rot to our country that we endured under Obama when voters reject the retarded socialist/communist "ideals" of the new "socialist democratic party."


[wild-eyed "socialist democrat" of the future]

[Vander]

Corporate entities are people: totally sane. Single payer healthcare: batsh!t crazy.

[Top Gun]

Yes TB keep using words entirely incorrectly, it makes you look even more like a drooling idiot.

(Protip the Democratic Party is center-right and Obama was centrist at best.)

[Tunnelcat]

Spilt milk. The question is what's to be done about it. I can't even fathom thinking the answer should be handing the next glass of milk to the same person that spilled the last one.

That's my thought exactly. There MUST be someone out there worthy of leading the Democratic Party who isn't stuck in the ways of the past and has new ideas to offer.

Beto?

I don't know him, but if he can beat Ted Cruz in the next election, in Texas, I'd say that's an accomplishment worthy of notice.

[Tunnelcat]

Who's calling who in which party???? batsh*t crazy NS? I'd take the young energetic socialist over the nutty Bible thumping social warrior b*tch any day.