Fear of Climate Change

[woodchip]

While vision will be more terrified of clicking on this link than the girl in it is afraid of climate change, still you should view the fear in this young girl. Fear reinforced by parents and other adults who decided to use this girl to promote their stupid agenda. Revel in her fear because thats what you want. A terrified child who should of had a happy child hood instead of being raised by monsters. Where is dept of social services to take this girl away from such abusive parents, because in the end, 50 years from now the climate will still be normal, ice will be at the poles, there will be summers for kids to enjoy and winters to go sledding in. Those of you who believe in man made global warming ought to be ashamed of yourselves knowing you have contributed to this girls terror.

[Top Gun]

Your generation ★■◆●ing destroyed our planet and are now too profit-whoring or dementia-riddled to do anything about it. Thank God we have people like Greta to call the world out on bull★■◆● like yours. You'll be mercifully dead and buried before you have to deal with the consequences of your own actions, so stay the ★■◆● out of her generation's way and let them clean up your ★■◆●.

Seriously, how ★■◆●ing deluded do you have to be to bury your head in the sand and pretend blatant physical reality doesn't exist?

[woodchip]

Shall I list all the demented things climate changers have predicted that never happened? To bad we have people like you educating our kids and turning them into basket cases.

[Top Gun]

The list of what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT is so extensive that I doubt I could fit it into a single post. Your ignorance of basic scientific evidence is staggering. You are burying your head in the sand and pretending physical reality does not exist. Again, stay the hell out of the way. Go move to a cabin in the middle of Bumblefuck, Nowhere and commune with your raccoon friends. We'll happily save the planet for you.

[Vander]

Woodchip, I would be very happy if, in 50 years, I found out that what I believe now is wrong. Can you say the same?

We don't get a second chance at all this.

[vision]

... predicted that never happened?

It's happening right now. The Pentagon has entire departments dedicated to planning around climate change. Is the Pentagon a bunch of crybaby leftist liberals? Deep State maybe? Get your head out of your butt.

"DoD recognizes the reality of climate change and the significant risk it poses to U.S. interests globally. The National Security Strategy, issued in February 2015, is clear that climate change is an urgent and growing threat to our national security, contributing to increased natural disasters, refugee flows, and conflicts over basic resources such as food and water.1 These impacts are already occurring, and the scope, scale, and intensity of these impacts are projected to increase over time."

Your level of ignorance is so high it's hard to believe you are not a troll.

[woodchip]

... predicted that never happened?

It's happening right now. The Pentagon has entire departments dedicated to planning around climate change. Is the Pentagon a bunch of crybaby leftist liberals? Deep State maybe? Get your head out of your butt.

"DoD recognizes the reality of climate change and the significant risk it poses to U.S. interests globally. The National Security Strategy, issued in February 2015, is clear that climate change is an urgent and growing threat to our national security, contributing to increased natural disasters, refugee flows, and conflicts over basic resources such as food and water.1 These impacts are already occurring, and the scope, scale, and intensity of these impacts are projected to increase over time."

Your level of ignorance is so high it's hard to believe you are not a troll.

Only problem is we have been lied to so may times about man made climate change like the infamous hockey stick and a certain university blocking papers against mmcc along with a press that can no longer be believed, that perhaps you should be the one to look where his ass is. Even Obama does not really believe in it as he just bought a villa right on the oceans shore. So why don't you use your pretend science someplace else and stop scaring the children.

[woodchip]

The list of what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT is so extensive that I doubt I could fit it into a single post. Your ignorance of basic scientific evidence is staggering. You are burying your head in the sand and pretending physical reality does not exist. Again, stay the hell out of the way. Go move to a cabin in the middle of Bumblefuck, Nowhere and commune with your raccoon friends. We'll happily save the planet for you.

Perhaps you should dig up a old post I had filled with no change scientific papers all nicely printed up in nice peer reviewed papers. At the time I suspect neither you or vision even read one of the papers as you were convinced by the liberal forces they must be wrong. As I said in my AR-15 thread your lack of curiosity is appalling.

[vision]

...a press that can no longer be believed...

I work in research. All of my coworkers have PhDs. We don't get our information from "the press". And if you don't believe the press, you are not going to the right sources. Honest journalism exists when you know where to look. Again, the entire farking world has studied climate change and come to the same conclusion. Only a small group of dimwits believe it's a global conspiracy. Get over yourself. When you die no one will pick up your cause.

[Krom]

Conservatives started bashing this messenger so quickly there wasn't even any time to actually get the message.

No wonder conservatives believe so many of their own lies, they have their heads so far up their asses they can't even tell their pants are on fire anymore.

[Tunnelcat]

Shall I list all the demented things climate changers have predicted that never happened? To bad we have people like you educating our kids and turning them into basket cases.

Go ahead. It'll save us all the effort.

Meanwhile, the oceans are slowly heating up, providing more energy to hurricanes.



Coral reefs are dying off because of increased ocean acidification from all the CO2 we've been dumping in the atmosphere and discarded plastics and other pollution coming from our rivers.

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/conten ... the-world/

Glaciers are melting at an unprecedented rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_o ... since_1850

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... hange.html

If you think that's not a problem, tell that to all the countries that depend on snow melt for their electricity from hydro-power, especially Switzerland and yes, even us Americans living in the Pacific Northwest. Humans are really trashing the planet, so I feel sorry for the next generations of humans who will have to live in this hot stinking cesspool of a planet. The mess that those previous generations created and refused to clean up because they had their heads up their collective asses and didn't want to spend the money to find better and cleaner solutions for the long term. That's the problem, short term thinking when it's the long term that's going to screw us all. So that girl has a right to be pissed off.

[Spidey]

Putting aside the climate debate, exploiting children like this is reprehensible, I don’t care who you are or what the cause.

[Tunnelcat]

How is she being exploited? She made this speech of her own free will. Of course, our asswipe of a president has to play bully, lower himself into the gutter and mock her, tweeting about her like she's just a dumb cute girl. What an insult to young women everywhere. Of course, I guess that's typical coming from a slimeball who degrades every woman he meets or has ever met. That young girl is not the only young person to stand up for change either. Just like in the 1960's, it take the youth of a nation to foment change and it's always old conservatives who throw conniptions about it too.

https://news.yahoo.com/nofuturenochildr ... 00989.html

[Spidey]

What does free will have to do with it? You go to work under your own free will, do you not, does your employer not exploit your labor?

[vision]

...exploiting children like this is reprehensible...

Prove exploitation is happening.

...does your employer not exploit your labor?

Whoa, whoa comrade, capitalism dictates that the free market determines the value of my labor. No exploitation there. /s

[Vander]

To be honest, I don't know any of her backstory, other than she piloted(?) a boat to the US as some sort of advocate for action on climate change. In some regards she is being exploited by people. I mean, I guessing she didn't acquire the boat or get into the U.N. on her own. She helps an agenda. But that doesn't mean she doesn't understand or have agency in all of this. And she certainly has a stake in outcome.

[Top Gun]

Only problem is we have been lied to so may times about man made climate change like the infamous hockey stick and a certain university blocking papers against mmcc along with a press that can no longer be believed, that perhaps you should be the one to look where his ass is. Even Obama does not really believe in it as he just bought a villa right on the oceans shore. So why don't you use your pretend science someplace else and stop scaring the children.

The vast majority of scientists in the involved fields, every single major scientific organization on the planet, the vast majority of world governments, tech companies, the Pentagon, polar ice, ocean acidity, receding glaciers, thermometers, overwhelming qualitative and quantitative physical evidence, reality itself: "Yeah we're really ★■◆●ing up the planet and we need to act yesterday to have a chance at fixing it."

Woody, a climatologist--no, wait, a meteorologist--whoops, no, a physicist--um...a random schlub: "LALALALALA NOT LISTENING YOU'RE ALL WRONG!"

Perhaps you should dig up a old post I had filled with no change scientific papers all nicely printed up in nice peer reviewed papers. At the time I suspect neither you or vision even read one of the papers as you were convinced by the liberal forces they must be wrong. As I said in my AR-15 thread your lack of curiosity is appalling.

Oh yes, those posts where you linked to cherry-picked articles you didn't remotely understand yourself that were swiftly and easily debunked had you bothered to pay attention. Yes those were good times.

I mean the sheer breadth of his delusion has to be caused by something out of the DSM-V, right?

[Tunnelcat]

I think said "delusion" is currently affecting the entire Republican Party right now and this WAS the party who gave us the EPA. I mean, to Trump and his new party, our climate is just fine and our air and water the best in the world (NOT), so he's rolling back vehicle fuel and emission standards, is de-funding the EPA and has put people in charge who would make sure that everything Trump and the Republicans want will happen. For example, like cutting regulations on toxic air pollution and disbanding the air pollution review panel which as a result has now hit a 30 year low in prosecutions of those offenders who have violated environmental standards, has rolled back those nasty Obama-era coal rules giving the stamp of approval for all those toxic ash waste ponds and sooty air everyone loves AND halted a study on the health effects on residents who live near mountaintop coal mining projects and is now in the process of demolishing the Clean Power Plan, if not already. Plus, he's opened up Federal land and waters to oil drilling, approved oil pipelines that have already started to leak once constructed, created an executive order that called for sharp increases on logging in public land, cut the NASA climate monitoring program, systematically censored government climate change websites to report the Trump/Republican version of things and revoked flood standards accounting for sea level rise. This isn't even the full list either and I hope that last one drowns his damn Mara Lago Resort under 8 feet of water when the next hurricane comes through. What a climate wrecking ball this bastard has been and and just as we'd come so far in changing our polluting ways when I was a kid. I want to know if any of this crap he's done has even brought back more jobs or created cheaper cars yet and is that even worth the price we'll all pay in the long run?

[vision]

At the time I suspect neither you or vision even read one of the papers as you were convinced by the liberal forces they must be wrong.

Liberal Forces? You keep acting like the notion of climate change is some sort of political thing. If that's so, how come other governments around the world of all different colors and types are coming to the same conclusion? Even the ones who exist because of their oil revenue agree climate change is real? WHERE IS YOUR BRAIN?

[TigerRaptor]

What about 7.5 billion years from now when the Red Giant Sun gobbles up the Earth. That's some super serious ★■◆● right there.

[Vander]

You keep acting like the notion of climate change is some sort of political thing.

It is political, though. Once you believe that anthropogenic climate change is real, you're forced to also see that collective action is required to address it. That is at odds with the current stew of conservative thought: grievance mixed with decades of advocated libertarian ideology that says collective power is bad and that liberty and freedom can only exist when we're autonomous individuals acting in marketplaces free from regulation. We're not just trying to get them to believe what scientists are saying, we're also trying to get them to believe that central tenets of their ideology simply aren't tenable anymore.

[Top Gun]

B-but my first edition of Atlas Shrugged!

[vision]

That is at odds with the current stew of conservative thought...

True, to an extent, but I HARDLY believe people like woodchip are "conservative" in the real sense. They treat their brand like a religion and are only "conservative" when it makes them feel good. Ignorant hypocrites. Most people I know who wear badges like liberal and conservative can't even define the terms. Hell they even use the label "political" as a way to shove their fingers in their ears. They don't argue in good faith, and never have.

[Vander]

I was talking more about the leadership class. The people who have an ideological agenda and the money/power to implement it. (think Kochs, etc) People like woodchip are just pawns, hopped up on grievance and American mythology, and fed a steady diet of disinformation.

[Flatlander]

Attacks on Greta Thunberg Come from a Coordinated Network of Climate Change Deniers

[Vander]

Dispossess billionaires of their wealth to save the planet.

[woodchip]

Well lets get one thing straight before most of you choke on the rabid foam gushing out of you mouths and overflowing the drool cups hanging under your chins. Never said I didn't think the world is warming. Just don't see the proof that it is man made and as such that we will ever be able to much about it at this juncture. AOC and friends Green Plan will wind up costing more lives than a few more deg. of temp. rise ever will.
The greater danger lies in the trillions of tons of pollution we dump into the environment. Just look at the ★■◆● stain extending 100's of miles into the ocean from the cost of India. Or the gargantuan Sargasso seas of plastic floating in the oceans. When I see environmental representatives take sailing ships to their world confabs (remember how Obama berated the automotive execs for using their corp. jet to meet in D.C.?) or people like Obama buy their Mansions up in the hills, I'm not going to worry in the least about warming.
Vander, when you say dispossess the rich of their wealth are you including people like the Clintons, Al Gore and Bill Gates? Or anybody other than those rich espousing liberal progressive ideologies?
vision, I see you still haven't read any opposing science papers which is why you will for ever be in the thrall of "consensus" equals science fact. No sense even in discussing science with you as you don't seem to have a concept of what it is. And yes the climate is a political pawn of various factions. Another reason why you have a tough time understanding what is going on.

[vision]

vision, I see you still haven't read any opposing science papers which is why you will for ever be in the thrall of "consensus" equals science fact.

Hey dumbo, let me remind you, because I've said it here many times in the past, I was a hardcore climate change denier. This was even though college because my damn science teachers were also climate deniers. Consensus research is "opposing science papers" to me. I used to spend my time on "global cooling" sites filling my head with misinformation. It took ten years of personal research to change my mind. Maybe you could try it? (Though you seem too far gone with your UFO nonsense and "Trump" is innocent garbage.)

[Vander]

Vander, when you say dispossess the rich of their wealth are you including people like the Clintons, Al Gore and Bill Gates?

Absolutely. Though the Clintons and Gores aren't billionaires. Nobody should have so much individual influence through the accumulation of wealth.

[Krom]

The national debt could be easily paid off with a progressive tax system that actually taxes where the money is. The top 1% could effortlessly pay off the national debt and still live outrageously lavish lifestyles, they just don't because they are ordinarily flawed greedy humans just like everyone else.

Maybe some day humanity will develop a system of government that actually manages to keep power out of the hands of the wealthy, because the overwhelming majority of them will always end up abusing that power.

[Top Gun]

So we're causing huge damaging changes to the Earth through every other type of pollution...but carbon dioxide emissions don't do anything.

★■◆●ing lol. He's a lost cause.

[Tunnelcat]

You gripe about rich liberals woody, but maybe if some of these rich conservative businessmen had spent as much money on finding ways of powering the world and lining their pockets with something other than their hydrocarbon laden oil and gas sales, we'd have already started down the road to lowering carbon emissions by now. And think, if we quit using natural gas to make so much plastics and selling everything in it, that would help the ocean garbage issue too. A double win. But noooo, the Koch's love their money coming from where it comes from as it fills their bank accounts from all those oil and gas sales. They don't care what their product is used for as long as it makes them loads of money. It's their corporate bottom line that matters. They could give a rat's ass what the air and water will be like long after they're dead and gone.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... omes-overt

https://grist.org/politics/how-the-koch ... -you-know/

[vision]

...the Koch's

That's singular, not plural. Only Charles Koch is alive.

[Tunnelcat]

I know that. But it's the legacy born of the actions from BOTH brothers that's left it's mark.

[Top Gun]

May they both be rotting in hell in the very near future.

[Burlyman]

greenies won't admit they're brainwashed children and they insist that we're all former monkeys flying around on a ball hurtling through outer space at ridiculous speeds.

[Top Gun]

greenies won't admit they're brainwashed children and they insist that we're all former monkeys flying around on a ball hurtling through outer space at ridiculous speeds.

Seriously, what millennium are you from, and can you go back there?

[Burlyman]

I've time-traveled before but I only went forward 5 hours.