My choice

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:20 am

For President of US. He's the most honest, transparent man I know. If I had a son I'd want him to be his cub scout leader where he could learn about honesty and the value of being aboveboard. A man that could teach him leadership skills and how to fairly treat people. I give you:

vision · Post by **vision** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:10 pm

Are you salty because the impeachment inquiry has delivered a first-hand witness that implicated the president in a scheme to extort an ally for political gain (Even though the president admitted it himself already)? In addition to several corroborating testimonies?

LOCK HIM UP

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:26 pm

Heh. The spineless Republicans have to find someone to be a scapegoat bogeyman when they certainly can't find any rational reasons to exonerate their exalted and very corrupt dictator of a president. I mean, the idiot actually told everyone with the release of that phone transcript that he was extorting the President of Ukraine. So instead of finding their spines, they attack any and all judges and accusers like it's THEIR fault Trump has gotten his crooked little ass into BIG trouble. So all I have to say is: "IMPEACH THE BASTARD!"

Just remember woody, there may be a repeat of history here. When Bill Clinton was impeached by the House, he wasn't removed either because Senate refused to do so. But the consequences of that was that a lot of Democrats and Independents, including me, were fed up with all the Clinton brown nosing and posturing because unlike the Clinton sheep, we DID understand that the jerk actually DID lie under oath. We just couldn't understand why our party circled the wagons around him like a bunch of blind partisan lackeys. The result as you know, was that Al Gore lost the election. I've talked to many Republicans who are fed up with their Party irrationally circling the wagons around this clearly corrupt and mentally incompetent president. In other words, they're not crazy. They've indicated that they'll vote for anyone but Trump at this point, especially if the Dems choose a moderate candidate.

Oh, and woody can quit with the LOCK HER UP crap. Clinton was recently exonerated in her email scandal, although I doubt you heard that on Fox News.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... department

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:15 pm

Read any credible news organization and Sondland basically confirmed and directly implicated everyone in the top brass.
Read fox news and its "Complete acquittal, everyone in the clear, everything was Sondland's opinion, no facts!".

You know, perhaps it is time to think about broadcast licenses and perhaps make it a crime to use the public airwaves to spread the level of complete fabrication and lies that Fox News is doing constantly. The conservative opinion hosts should be in jail, and don't give me "freedom of the press" because those fuckers are about as far from journalists as you can possibly get or "freedom of speech" because the bull★■◆● they are constantly peddling is many times worse than yelling fire in a crowded theater.

Maybe we will get lucky and Trump will just drop dead from his high blood pressure, which would be especially great because then we could tell the evangelicals "Well, the republicans certainly would have forgiven him, but it appears the Almighty doesn't.".

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:44 pm

Everyone seems to be schmoozing over the fact that BOTH Trump and Pence are involved in this scandal up to their eyeballs. If everyone in this country had a conscience about the 2 top leaders of our country willfully and purposefully violating the Constitution AND their oath of office for their own benefit, along with handing our national security, status and pride over the damn Russians, BOTH of these slimy bastards would be impeached and removed from office, pronto.

And Krom, Trump already has already had a recent unscheduled visit to Walter Reed for "some labs" as he claimed. If the stress, lack of sleep and constant diet of cheeseburgers don't nail this fat prick with a massive coronary or stroke by now, The Almighty is mocking all of us.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:09 pm

Hey woody, what does the US Code say about the punishment for treason? Asking for an orange friend.

In lighter news:

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:28 am

vision wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:10 pm Are you salty because the impeachment inquiry has delivered a first-hand witness that implicated the president in a scheme to extort an ally for political gain (Even though the president admitted it himself already)? In addition to several corroborating testimonies?

LOCK HIM UP

First off vision, you do realize we have a agreement with Ukraine to root out corruption signed by none other than Herr Klinton back in the 90's. Second what do you call telling a world leader to remove a prosecutor that was investigating a company your son was making big bucks at? Lastly what is the political gain? keeping Biden from winning a presidential race? He was losing anyways.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:45 am

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:26 pm Heh. The spineless Republicans have to find someone to be a scapegoat bogeyman when they certainly can't find any rational reasons to exonerate their exalted and very corrupt dictator of a president. I mean, the idiot actually told everyone with the release of that phone transcript that he was extorting the President of Ukraine. So instead of finding their spines, they attack any and all judges and accusers like it's THEIR fault Trump has gotten his crooked little ass into BIG trouble. So all I have to say is: "IMPEACH THE BASTARD!"

Just where did Trunp ever say he was extorting? Maybe you are confused with Biden admitting he extorted Ukraine.

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:26 pmJust remember woody, there may be a repeat of history here. When Bill Clinton was impeached by the House, he wasn't removed either because Senate refused to do so. But the consequences of that was that a lot of Democrats and Independents, including me, were fed up with all the Clinton brown nosing and posturing because unlike the Clinton sheep, we DID understand that the jerk actually DID lie under oath. We just couldn't understand why our party circled the wagons around him like a bunch of blind partisan lackeys. The result as you know, was that Al Gore lost the election. I've talked to many Republicans who are fed up with their Party irrationally circling the wagons around this clearly corrupt and mentally incompetent president. In other words, they're not crazy. They've indicated that they'll vote for anyone but Trump at this point, especially if the Dems choose a moderate candidate.

Show me where the rep. party has ever circled the wagons like the Dems do. As for the voters, I suggest you go to a Trump rally on a rainy day and see how many voters are in line waiting to get in.

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:26 pmOh, and woody can quit with the LOCK HER UP crap. Clinton was recently exonerated in her email scandal, although I doubt you heard that on Fox News.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... department

Where do I say lock her up. As to the emails, Comey stated while there were classified docs. on her unsecured server, he didn't believe she had "intent" to misuse them. I suggest you read the specific section of law regarding that as the word "intent" is specifically excluded. The she had them on her server is reason enough to LOCK HER UP. There, I feel so much better.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:49 am

woodchip wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:45 am. . .

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:59 am

Woody is the ultimate NPC.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:01 am

Krom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:15 pm Read any credible news organization and Sondland basically confirmed and directly implicated everyone in the top brass.
Read fox news and its "Complete acquittal, everyone in the clear, everything was Sondland's opinion, no facts!".

Actually I listened to a lot of his hearing. you forget he is a man who doesn't take notes and had to be shown other peoples notes to "refresh" his memory. He confirmed nothing as he didn't know anything until he read the transcripts. Sondland presented hinself as the quintessential cya politician.

Krom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:15 pmYou know, perhaps it is time to think about broadcast licenses and perhaps make it a crime to use the public airwaves to spread the level of complete fabrication and lies that Fox News is doing constantly. The conservative opinion hosts should be in jail, and don't give me "freedom of the press" because those fuckers are about as far from journalists as you can possibly get or "freedom of speech" because the bull★■◆● they are constantly peddling is many times worse than yelling fire in a crowded theater.

Maybe we should do the same with CNN, MSNBC et al. Lets go back to the Bush years where Dan Rather fabricated a certain letter and sally forth from there. The Fairness Doctrine was tried once by a the liberal dems. because they just couldn't get advertisers nor the audience to listen to their crap ideas.

Krom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:15 pmMaybe we will get lucky and Trump will just drop dead from his high blood pressure, which would be especially great because then we could tell the evangelicals "Well, the republicans certainly would have forgiven him, but it appears the Almighty doesn't.".

How civil of you. All the year Obama was in office I never once said I wished he would drop dead. Curious to see how people react when someone they don't like is in office.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:08 pm

woodchip wrote:The Fairness Doctrine was tried once by a the liberal dems. because they just couldn't get advertisers nor the audience to listen to their crap ideas.

lol

vision · Post by **vision** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:12 pm

It's Ok woody, no one here is expecting you to believe Trump is guilty, you've repeatedly shown a lack of critical thinking skills. Even when it comes to kindergarten level thinking such as "would it be OK if Obama asked for a public investigation into Donald Trump?"

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:11 pm

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:38 pm

vision wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:12 pm It's Ok woody, no one here is expecting you to believe Trump is guilty, you've repeatedly shown a lack of critical thinking skills. Even when it comes to kindergarten level thinking such as "would it be OK if Obama asked for a public investigation into Donald Trump?"

Guilty of exactly what? Perhaps you should consider a yogi teacher to help yo hone yours

vision · Post by **vision** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:27 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:38 pmGuilty of exactly what?

Using the power of his office to manipulate an ally for political gain. You must not have watched the hearings, or maybe you didn't understand them?

Also, since you're big on withholding aid due to corruption, you won't have a problem withholding aid to Israel now that Bibi has been charged with bribery among other things?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:36 pm

Watching woody flail about hopelessly like a puppy on a waxed floor would be immensely amusing if it weren't for the fact that tens of millions of registered voters legitimately believe that level of bull★■◆●.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:10 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:45 am
Just where did Trunp ever say he was extorting? Maybe you are confused with Biden admitting he extorted Ukraine.

Donald Trump wrote:"I would like you do do us a favor THOUGH,"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ule=inline

And here's a couple more detailed timelines of events just to frost the cake in case you don't get it. But even when you get down to down to meat of this whole issue, Trump withheld that military assistance to Ukraine for months all because he wanted a "favor", a singular public statement by the President of Ukraine that they were going to investigate Hunter Biden. So, that promised military aide from June 18, 2019 wasn't actually released UNTIL September 11, 2019, only AFTER a couple of things happened in sequence. Trump didn't release it out of the goodness of his heart or for national security reasons either. He got caught doing something illegal and tried to fix it.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... stleblower

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/the-w ... -timeline/

What's even more crazy about this lunacy is that all Trump wanted out of his "favor though" request to President Zelensky was a public statement that he was going to investigate the Bidens. He couldn't have cared less about an actual investigation according to Sondland. So much for Trump wanting to root out corruption in Ukraine. He only wanted to hurt Biden politically in a pubic show. That's where he's in trouble.

Sondland is clear: “He didn’t actually have to do them, as I understood it.” There was never an ask for an actual investigation, just an announcement:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... show-trump

https://news.yahoo.com/sondland-testifi ... 16918.html

woodchip wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:45 am Show me where the rep. party has ever circled the wagons like the Dems do. As for the voters, I suggest you go to a Trump rally on a rainy day and see how many voters are in line waiting to get in.

OK, name ONE Republican that's actually going to vote to impeach or remove Trump from office in either the House or the Senate? In fact, name more than a couple of Republicans who have publicly derided or opposed Trump for what he's done?

woodchip wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:45 am Where do I say lock her up. As to the emails, Comey stated while there were classified docs. on her unsecured server, he didn't believe she had "intent" to misuse them. I suggest you read the specific section of law regarding that as the word "intent" is specifically excluded. The she had them on her server is reason enough to LOCK HER UP. There, I feel so much better.

Maybe not you at least HERE that I could find, but at a lot of Trump rallies, his enthralled audience loves to shout "Lock her up!" all the time. Using your standards, we'd better lock up all these bastards for using their private email accounts for public government work too, including Ivanka Trump. We'll have to take them at their word they've preserved those emails like they're supposed to, never mind that they aren't as secure.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... hite-house

And now, Republicans are frantically latching onto the It's Ukraine that interfered in our 2016 elections conspiracy theory as their "reason" to not impeach Trump and in a twisted weird way, exonerate the Russians. Nice of the Republicans to follow Putin's lead like a bunch of compliant puppets. We now have the Republican Party of Russia.

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-g ... 16-2019-11

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:29 am

Wood is like a Host from Westworld. Very lifelike, but goes all "that doesn't look like anything to me" when presented something that might challenge his programmed reality.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:00 pm

Real talk: does woody think he's ever actually going to score a win here? Does he just enjoy the abuse? The mind wonders.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:30 pm

So, it comes to light that every Senator, including the GOP, was recently briefed by American Intelligence Officials that RUSSIA was the one behind this years long campaign to frame Ukraine for the meddling in the 2016 election and the hack of the DNC servers. In other words, the conspiracy that Ukraine was involved is just that, a made up conspiracy orchestrated by Putin himself and promulgated by his security services. Fiona Hill, the expert on Russia, because that's her job, also stated this same FACT during the impeachment hearings and was quite vocal about it since many GOP House members were actually pushing this crap during the hearings in the effort to defend Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/us/p ... rence.html

And even Trump's favorite propagandists at Fox had a hard time swallowing Trump's constant reiteration of the Ukraine Conspiracy Theory.

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/22/20977752 ... acy-theory

Meanwhile, a couple of GOP Senators, who've ALREADY been briefed by our own intelligence agencies on this subject mind you, are STILL madly searching for and demanding any kind of documents concerning Ukraine, Clinton and the 2016 election. In other words, they're ignoring our own intelligence agencies' reports. They so desperately want to blame Ukraine/Clinton and not Russia/Trump that's it's now approaching what amounts to U.S. Senators doing pretty much Putin's bidding on our own soil.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/2 ... upa-072966

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/ ... eport.html

Speaking of Paul Manafort, along with his association to an Ukrainian-born (when the Soviet Union still ruled Ukraine) Oligarch named Konstantin Kilimnick, back during the days of the Mueller Investigation, are probably the ones who first sowed the seeds of this Ukrainian/Clinton Conspiracy. It has now grown to such a disproportionate and twisted monster that it now has a life of it's own. THIS is what the Republicans are banking on to protect Trump and go after Hillary Clinton. I'm going to start calling the Republicans the Russiablicans from now on since they seem so enamored of protecting Russia from any and all blame, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/us/p ... ussia.html

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:58 am

Instead of answering you all individually let me just say you are all living in a dream world fostered on you by the liberal news sources you so dearly love. The bunch oy you clearly have no experience in the negotiation arena. Poor babies, the mean ole Trumpster is withholding something, wah wah wah. I hope you get what you wish for and the Dems stupidly go ahead and vote to impeach, but I suspect they won't be quite that stupid because if they do then what is the next step? Lets see how far thinking you bunch are.

For a future post, seems a fbi atty diddled with some of the fisa application language for starters. Then there are the criminal indictments handed out by the DOJ against former Obama officials. When this all comes to light lets see if you are as hard on do nothing Obama as you are on Trump. Somehow I doubt it.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:31 am

You think it would be stupid to vote to impeach, but why? Seriously what do the democrats have to lose? It isn't like anything would change your mind or that of anyone else in the trump base. Just go through with the process and let the republicans acquit on all counts, it doesn't change anything, it certainly doesn't harm democrats or republicans. You can just go off and retreat to your safe space right wing alternate reality news comfort zone that always affirms your viewpoint and protects you from any and all challenges to it while making you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Speaking of a plan, what's yours? When Trump's time is up, what then? There is a future ahead of us but it is filled with horrors. The younger people are actually trying to develop ideas and plans to avert the worst of them, but yours seems to be to wall yourself in and then let the free market healthcare system kill you off before you have to deal with anything else.

vision · Post by **vision** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:31 am

woodchip wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:58 am...liberal news sources...

Is C-Span a liberal news source? Because that's how I formed the opinion that Trump should be impeached. Hours and hours of C-Span over the past few weeks.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:11 pm

woodchip wrote:seems a fbi atty diddled with some of the fisa application language for starters.

Sounds like a vast deep state conspiracy to me. Hopefully he'll be executed for failing to submit TPS reports in triplicate.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:23 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:58 am Instead of answering you all individually let me just say you are all living in a dream world fostered on you by the liberal news sources you so dearly love. The bunch oy you clearly have no experience in the negotiation arena. Poor babies, the mean ole Trumpster is withholding something, wah wah wah. I hope you get what you wish for and the Dems stupidly go ahead and vote to impeach, but I suspect they won't be quite that stupid because if they do then what is the next step? Lets see how far thinking you bunch are.

For a future post, seems a fbi atty diddled with some of the fisa application language for starters. Then there are the criminal indictments handed out by the DOJ against former Obama officials. When this all comes to light lets see if you are as hard on do nothing Obama as you are on Trump. Somehow I doubt it.

Literally the ENTIRETY OF OBJECTIVE REALITY: "Trump attempted to use his position for political gain and is at the very VERY least passively allowing the Russians to undermine the foundations of our democracy."

Woody: RAWWWWWR LIBURAL MEDIA

Woody. You are wrong. Objectively, factually, dispassionately wrong. For the very first time in your life, own your ★■◆●. Admit your wrongness. Open your eyes to reality. Because it's this sort of staggering, willful ignorance and blindness that is actively ★■◆●ing over this country. Stop ★■◆●ing over my country. If you're so desperate to ★■◆● something over, do it somewhere else. Not here. I'm sure Moscow is quite lovely in the spring.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:42 pm

Unlike you woody, I do watch as many news sources as possible. However, no one needed to watch ANY news outlets to see that our president abused his power for personal gain. The most damning evidence against Trump came from all those career diplomats and staff who testified at the impeachment hearings, ON CSPAN, as vision noted. We don't even need to know who the whistleblower was either since these brave patriotic people defied the president and came forward with first hand information that corroborates the whistleblower's original complaint. I'm hoping now that Bolton gets a spine during the trial and drops even more Trump bombs, which I'm quite sure the GOP will ignore. The ONLY reason the GOP wants to know the whistleblower's identity is to vilify and smear whoever it is like a bunch of schoolyard bullies in a public circus. But the law is clear and does protect whistleblowers for good reason, because without them, we have no check on government corruption. Don't forget, these people are professionals in their fields and have worked for multiple administrations from both parties, so they're not partisan hacks and they know their jobs. The fact that a group of patriotic very intelligent people in their fields testified to the illegality of what Trump was doing should be evidence enough to get this bastard removed from office. If you and your GOP cohorts choose to selectively ignore all that out of some type of weird, twisted loyalty, do it at your own peril because you are destroying your party and this country by doing so. Plus, you're setting precedent for future abuses of power by presidents of any stripe.

I'm not against any investigations into Clinton, Hunter Biden or Ukraine corruption. No administration or person is without it's scandals and shady deals. But using those as excuses for the sole purpose of exonerating Trump is a travesty of justice, because Trump clearly abused the power of his office for personal gain. Don't forget that Trump and Rick Perry have gone on to do their own little Ukrainian slimy deal making in that country's natural gas industry, only furthering the corruption. And when Trump called for Zelensky to address Ukrainian corruption by investigating Hunter Biden as HE CLAIMED, it now turns out that he ONLY wanted a public statement, NOT an actual investigation. THAT'S a personal request to a foreign leader for personal gain and that's ILLEGAL. It's so damn simple even a 2-year old should be able to understand it. I guess most Republicans are now at the sub-kindergarten level.

And don't sit there and praise Trump's negotiating powers. He hasn't done squat with China, Iran, or North Korea. We're all now paying stiff tariffs on most of the things we buy since a lot of it comes from China. No deal so far either, because there happens to be this little issue with those Hong Kong democracy protestors. Trump doesn't want to look like he supports democracy for fear of pissing off Xi. This shouldn't even BE an issue since this country has always stood for democracy around the world, until Trump. Iran is now enriching even more uranium and flipping the bird at everyone. NK is openly testing better and further range missiles. On top of that, Trump's done nothing but further Putin's agenda and praise him at every turn like he's his best pal. Meanwhile, Republicans ignore the cold hard facts that it was the Russians who interfered with the 2016 elections, still refuse to acknowledge it or do anything about it and worst of all, ignore the fact that they ARE STILL AT IT. To add insult to injury, my health care premiums have skyrocketed and even the vestiges of Obamacare still exist today in the form of the Marketplace. Despite the healthy stock market, the undercurrent of homelessness has become a big issue in the warmer states, along with the crime that goes with it and no one seem to have the money or wherewithal for mental health care or drug rehabilitation. And the money pit that is Trump's border wall boondoggle hasn't stopped anyone, nor has it resulted in miles of new WALLS, only the reconstruction of old sections, most of it steel bollard that can be easily cut through.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/ ... st-reports

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/has-t ... all-begun/

To top things off, the man is the world's worst businessman, because he holds the record for losing more money, most of it not his own either, than anyone in American history. He's an idiot, a moron and nothing but an egotistic carnival barker with no substance or brains. All he's ever done is use others to make himself look bigger than he appears. The Scarecrow has no brains or substance.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump ... 2019-05-08

vision · Post by **vision** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:30 pm

woodchip wrote:seems a fbi atty diddled with some of the fisa application language for starters.

Wait, isn't this just a "process crime"? I keep hearing about how Trump campaign associates shouldn't be investigated for simple process crimes. Surely making a mistake on an application isn't a big deal!

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:28 pm

Look, vision, can't you see that this treasonous FBI lawyer is central to the Ukraine/DNC/Deep State plot to frame Russia for election interference and make Trump look bad? Don't you understand that Ukraine has the server?!?

vision · Post by **vision** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:04 pm

Vander wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:28 pmDon't you understand that Ukraine has the server?!?

Hey guys, I just want to say I looked into this and I think there might be something to it. I've read that the Ukraine server is about the size of a small microwave and that it has proof that Hilary did Benghazi and that Obama spied on Trump though a microwave back in 2016. But get this: it wasn't actually a microwave Obama was using to spy, it was another server, and it has information about Trump the Dems are going to release during the election next year. So really there are two servers, one about the size of a microwave, and one that looks like a microwave. Maybe the first one looks like a microwave too, I don't really know. I don't want to jump to conclusions, as a skeptic I want proof of what the Ukraine server looks like before I say anything.

This video has a breakdown of possible locations of the server in East Ukraine:

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:22 pm

This is apparently the server in question, sitting in the DNC basement next to a Watergate file cabinet:

Heh.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:11 am

Hmm, the United Socialists of America in full display here. So vision, when you watched CSPAN did you catch any of the proceedings down in the basement? Oh thats right, you couldn't because they were super secret and the doors were closed. Did you catch the part where the whistle blower and Schiff talked over how the whistle blower would proceed before the whistle blower actually tooted? No? Bummer. Did you here all of the questions the Rep. wanted to ask? Or you didn't because Schiff wouldn't allow all of them. Did you happen to catch viewings such as this?:

Since none of you can think clearly regarding Trump though Krom tried, let me explain why I hope the Dems are stupid enough to vote for impeachment. If they do it then goes to the senate. And guess what happens there. A full blown judicial hearing will take place where all those questions Schiff wouldn't allow will come out. The whistle blower will be subpoenaed and grilled. Adam Schiff will be subpoenaed and grilled. Do you really thing the Dems will vote to impeach knowing they will face this? Of course, like all cockroaches, the Dems faced with threat of the light of day makes them scurry back to their dark recesses.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:00 am

Your insinuation that Schiff and the whistleblower are in cahoots to manufacture a fake set of circumstances is crushed by the actual witnesses involved in the actual circumstances. The President released a memorandum of the call that explicitly states the offense alleged. The President's Chief of Staff explicitly acknowledged the offense alleged.

Just admit that you don't care that our authoritarian President does crimes. I could at least respect the honesty, and it's probably more healthy for you than the ridiculous mental gymnastics you display while trying to bridge the logical gaps of the narrative you're fed.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:23 am

Trump has LITERALLY TWEETED exactly what he did. He incriminated himself. And yet woody continues to double down on the most brain-dead conspiracy theories he can find, because woo fascism I guess. Color me shocked.

Woody, you've talked in the past about how you swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. And yet here you sit, still supporting a man whose presidency has flaunted that document at every step, and who has actively aided and abetted this nation's enemies. You are an oathbreaker.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:17 pm

Didn't say what whistleblower said was true or untrue, I stated that both Schiff and the WB colluded prior to WB making his claim. Do try and read intelligently. no wonder you guys are so easily led by that nose ring you have installed.

vision · Post by **vision** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:43 pm

I've never seen an ego more fragile than yours, woodchip. The president literally admitted to a crime, in public, and you still believe any conspiracy theory to avoid accepting that maybe your precious savior might have a stain. I like to poke fun at you, but it actually makes me sad that your identity is wrapped around worshiping a con-artist.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:08 pm

woodchip wrote:Didn't say what whistleblower said was true or untrue, I stated that both Schiff and the WB colluded prior to WB making his claim.

You're insinuating a nefarious plot between Schiff and the whistleblower. What do you suspect the goal of this plot was? Surely you have a theory.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:51 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:17 pm Didn't say what whistleblower said was true or untrue, I stated that both Schiff and the WB colluded prior to WB making his claim. Do try and read intelligently. no wonder you guys are so easily led by that nose ring you have installed.

And YOU are ignoring the fact that the phone transcript itself gave us the admission right out of Trump's own mouth and that both Sondland and Mulvaney corroborated the whistelblower's allegations, along with all those diplomats who testified as well. Mulvaney, of course, had to walk back his statements after Trump probably reamed him a new one for opening his mouth. Even John Bolton wanted no part of it or Giuliani and he resigned his position under protest. John Bolton, the Hawk of Hawks. As conservative and nationalistic as they come. You want your pound of flesh during the trial? You want Schiff? Well, they better call John Bolton because I'm betting he knows everything. While they're at it, they can also call Giuliani and have him testify under oath and threat of prison if he lies. He would give us the mother load, far more than Schiff or the whistleblower combined. Giuliani's mixed up in this mess deep because he was essentially conducting a shadow foreign policy all by himself at Trump's behest. ★■◆● the State Department. If you think Trump is so innocent, why won't he release the unredacted transcript of that phone call the whistelblower was talking about? Why was it moved to a super secret classified server in the White House instead of remaining on the regular server set up for WH communications? I mean, if it was a congratulatory call, there should've been NOTHING secret spoken at all. Talk about Trump having his own server issues. And if Trump was so concerned about Hunter Biden and corruption, why did he ONLY want a public statement by Zelensky to that fact while NOT PUSHING FOR AN ACTUAL INVESTIGATION? All Trump wanted was to hurt Biden, a political opponent. He could've cared less about actual Ukrainian corruption. You know who cares? Why Putin. He'd love to see Ukraine stay out of NATO, leaving that country to the machinations of Russia.

So what's so deep and dirty about Schiff and the whistleblower discussing the allegations beforehand, hmmmm? Perhaps so that maybe Trump wouldn't get wind of it until more information came forth and that they had a solid case to build for impeachment. Or that Trump wouldn't go full blown nasty nutcase if he got a hold of the name so that he could publicly bully and vilify the poor soul who was just following his/her conscience and duty? Republicans asking for this person to reveal him or herself are nothing but vindictive assholes out to destroy someone's life for doing their patriotic duty and THAT will have a chilling effect on anyone coming forward with allegations of impropriety in the future, even in a democratic administration. Thank you conservatives for being puppets of Trump and Russia and destroying the rule of law and our Constitution.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:54 pm

vision wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:43 pm I've never seen an ego more fragile than yours, woodchip. The president literally admitted to a crime, in public, and you still believe any conspiracy theory to avoid accepting that maybe your precious savior might have a stain. I like to poke fun at you, but it actually makes me sad that your identity is wrapped around worshiping a con-artist.

What crime was that? Same kind Biden admitted too. Maybe we should impeach him if he gets elected Funny how there were no WB back when he was VP And your worship of the Dem is telling,

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:03 pm

TC, if you listened to Sondland most of what he said was opinion. As to destroying, ask sondland how the dems are trying to destroy his wife's business. WB had only 2nd or 3rd hand info so basically so he had to discuss with Schiff how to use that. And how many WB during Obama's time were destroyed. Ask Jim Rosen feels about Obama.