Uterus Collector

[Tunnelcat]

Geezus, I think we now have an American version of Dr. Mengele working for our own government on the taxpayer's dime. He's been performing unnecessary, invasive and sometimes brutal gynecological procedures and hysterectomies on immigrant women at an ICE detention center, without their consent or understanding of the consequences regarding the procedures being done. Some of these women were even left bruised during whatever this bastard disgrace of a doctor was doing to them. W.T.F.? A pervert immigrant hating doctor and we're paying his salary? A doctor who also defrauded Medicare and settled and the government had the stupidity to actually hire him? Last I was taught in school, this is the civilized and human rights conscious United States of America. We don't torture or abuse people in our care, even it they aren't citizens. Now that we're saddled with an autocratic authoritarian egomaniacal leader like Trump, has Democracy been so thoroughly raped that we've finally become an evil Fascist State?

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/li ... on-center/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/nur ... a-n1240110

[woodchip]

Yet you have no problem with late term abortion or killing the babe even if it is born alive after all that. Maybe the poor immigrant women has indicated she will vote conservative if she stays here

[Top Gun]

Yet you have no problem with late term abortion or killing the babe even if it is born alive after all that. Maybe the poor immigrant women has indicated she will vote conservative if she stays here

Woody: *ignores fact that the fascist piece of ★■◆● he supports is actively committing crimes against humanity in order to erect a patently-false straw man*

How's it hanging, traitor?

[woodchip]

Yet you have no problem with late term abortion or killing the babe even if it is born alive after all that. Maybe the poor immigrant women has indicated she will vote conservative if she stays here

Woody: *ignores fact that the fascist piece of ★■◆● he supports is actively committing crimes against humanity in order to erect a patently-false straw man*

Just exactly what crimes?

How's it hanging, traitor?

Longer than yours I suspect.

[Top Gun]

Just exactly what crimes?

*looks up at OP*

Huh, so I guess forced sterilization of refugees detained under inhumane conditions is fine and dandy?

[Krom]

Gotta save the children, just wait till they grow up and then the police can murder them without upsetting conservatives.

Who let woodchip out of the asylum? Oh right, one of Ronald Regan's lesser known legacies is how he destroyed the mental heath system in America, which is why people like woodchip are allowed to run free, spread their toxic ideas, and worst of all vote.

[Top Gun]

The sheer dripping hypocrisy it takes for conservatives to claim to be "pro-life" while simultaneously opposing universal healthcare, accessible prenatal care and education, expanded welfare, guaranteed paid maternal/paternal leave, increased public school funding, free public college, and pretty much anything else requiring the bare semblance of a soul never ceases to amaze me.

[Tunnelcat]

Yet you have no problem with late term abortion or killing the babe even if it is born alive after all that. Maybe the poor immigrant women has indicated she will vote conservative if she stays here

Where in the hell did you get that? In a debate with Foil a while back, I stated that I'm against abortion EXCEPT in cases of rape and incest and only in the first term. Although in my case if I were raped, I'd abort no matter how late in the term. But you wouldn't understand that from a male point of view anyway. I'm certainly against late term abortions as practice. And abortion isn't even germane to the topic since women who have abortions do it VOLUNTARILY of their own volition, not under the orders of a dictator.

Meanwhile, you support a dictatorial egomaniac who thinks dead buried soldiers who fought and died for our now deteriorating freedoms are "losers and suckers" and even threatened to disavow his own son if he joined the military years ago. I didn't get that last tidbit from the leftie news, it came from the mouth of one of Trump's own family members. And before you dismiss the loser and sucker part, remember what Trump said about McCain (on video) that he doesn't like people who are captured, which is a Trump code word for "loser". I'd PAY to see he him try to evade capture after having his jet shot down in the ocean, in enemy territory, with no means of evading capture except to swim fast or deep dive, with injuries mind you. What a load of crap coming from a man who got out of his military service by using the old bone spur bull★■◆● courtesy of daddy's greasing some politician's skids in the 1960's. So now we have this very same dictatorial Putin-loving prick as our President, putting people in charge of medical services in ICE involuntarily sterilizing poor immigrant women like it's some sort of sick solution to our immigration crisis. Good God, sounds just like what Hitler did to justify the medical experiments and sterilization of Jewish women in WWII. Gotta keep those Jews from replicating and polluting the pure Aryan Race. ★■◆●! People really DON'T learn from the mistakes made in the past, do they? No matter how horrific and revolting.

[Tunnelcat]

Gotta save the children, just wait till they grow up and then the police can murder them without upsetting conservatives.

Who let woodchip out of the asylum? Oh right, one of Ronald Regan's lesser known legacies is how he destroyed the mental heath system in America, which is why people like woodchip are allowed to run free, spread their toxic ideas, and worst of all vote.

This issue is even more important today, because the police are now the ones having to deal with people who are having serious mental issues and it always seems to come out badly and involving the discharge of firearms and injury or death to the "patient" as a solution. I don't blame the police, other than they are way too militarized and willing to use deadly force in non-deadly situations. However, they are not mental health medical experts, nor do they have the resources to deal with it properly and thus are the wrong people to have to deal with it. But thanks to Reagan, they get to handle the job now.

https://news.yahoo.com/footage-police-s ... 34492.html

[woodchip]

Just exactly what crimes?

*looks up at OP*

Huh, so I guess forced sterilization of refugees detained under inhumane conditions is fine and dandy?

Evidently it was ok in CA long before Trump was POTUS:
Beginning in 1909 and continuing for 70 years, California led the country in the number of sterilization procedures performed on men and women, often without their full knowledge and consent. Approximately 20,000 sterilizations took place in state institutions, comprising one-third of the total number performed in the 32 states where such action was legal.
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blo ... ed-states/

[Tunnelcat]

Yes, our country has a sordid history of manipulating reproduction for very unsavory reasons, even up into this decade. You're referring to the Eugenics Movement, a nasty decades long practice that still seems to persist for some stupid reason, used by people from both political parties too. Even legal abortion has been called eugenics, because a disproportionate numbers of Blacks use abortion as a form of birth control. Most aren't coerced to getting those abortions however, unless it was their boyfriend's idea. But that's a far cry from the Republican leader of the free world actually talking about it like it's a good thing, in an election year, telling it to a mostly white audience. Real classy using dog whistle tactics on an audience of thralls. And you do realize woody that your tax dollars are being used to sterilize these immigrant women against their will, but since you're an anti-immigrant conservative, that's probably a good thing in your book. Trump should watch out when commenting about who's got bad genes, because his genes must have been scraped from the bottom of the family's cesspool to create the nightmare we now have for a president. No one in his family likes him at all, except his own foul progeny.

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-right ... l-eugenics

[vision]

What are you guys arguing with a mentally ill person? The only reason he's probably making noise now is because he probably heard some bad news or the QAnon propaganda machine finally has him completely under their control.

[Tunnelcat]

Trouble is, QAnon people are now running for office, where they think they can "legitimize" and spread their craziness. Most of them are running under the Republican ticket and some are winning. Geezus. This country has gone waaaay off the deep end. I used to occasionally vote conservative. Now, no way in Hell.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics ... index.html

[Top Gun]

Evidently it was ok in CA long before Trump was POTUS:
Beginning in 1909 and continuing for 70 years, California led the country in the number of sterilization procedures performed on men and women, often without their full knowledge and consent. Approximately 20,000 sterilizations took place in state institutions, comprising one-third of the total number performed in the 32 states where such action was legal.
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blo ... ed-states/

Hey guys woody's responding to another objective statement with some random irrelevant strawman bull★■◆●. Take a shot!

What are you guys arguing with a mentally ill person? The only reason he's probably making noise now is because he probably heard some bad news or the QAnon propaganda machine finally has him completely under their control.

Eh, I enjoy playing poke-the-dumbass.

[vision]

Eh, I enjoy playing poke-the-dumbass.

I'm actually happy that he's posting again. He's the perfect pigeon/dupe who regurgitates all the right-wing propaganda he ingests. You can use him as a barometer for the health of the Republican Party. If he's upset, that means the GOP aren't doing so good and they are pumping out more mania-inducing memes to get the base good and scared. Maybe models of their planned overthrow of democracy are below the statistical threshold for success and they need a backup plan in the form of actual votes for Trump?

[woodchip]

Trouble is, QAnon people are now running for office, where they think they can "legitimize" and spread their craziness. Most of them are running under the Republican ticket and some are winning. Geezus. This country has gone waaaay off the deep end. I used to occasionally vote conservative. Now, no way in Hell.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics ... index.html

No worse than the left putting up the likes of AOC, Ilhan Omar and foul mouth Rashida Tlaib. These crazies have won already and inspiring others to do so.

[Top Gun]

No worse than the left putting up the likes of AOC, Ilhan Omar and foul mouth Rashida Tlaib. These crazies have won already and inspiring others to do so.

Yes woody, we already know nothing terrifies you more than powerful women of color.

[Vander]

Politicians believing there is a cabal of satanic pedophile cannibals infesting every level of government/society which needs to be acted upon with political violence seems MUCH WORSE than politicians believing we should have socialized healthcare like every other developed country on the planet.

[Ferno]

No worse than the left putting up the likes of AOC, Ilhan Omar and foul mouth Rashida Tlaib. These crazies have won already and inspiring others to do so.

Maybe once you try 'socialized' healthcare, you'll realize you were wrong.... about a lot of things.

[Spidey]

You mean like having a huge military budget, that gives other developed nations the luxury of having more to spend on social services.

You mean like that?

Oh that's right, I forgot...if we just make the rich pay their fair share everything would be hunky-dory.

[Tunnelcat]

Trouble is, QAnon people are now running for office, where they think they can "legitimize" and spread their craziness. Most of them are running under the Republican ticket and some are winning. Geezus. This country has gone waaaay off the deep end. I used to occasionally vote conservative. Now, no way in Hell.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics ... index.html

No worse than the left putting up the likes of AOC, Ilhan Omar and foul mouth Rashida Tlaib. These crazies have won already and inspiring others to do so.

All strong, smart women who aren't afraid to voice their opinions and happen to be Muslims. So what? Do they rub you the wrong way because of their religion or their smarts? I'm guessing both. If you'd said religion, I could say the same thing about Amy Coney Barrett since she is a member of a more extreme Catholic Sect that I do not agree with nor want influencing any judicial decisions on my behalf as an American citizen. And NONE of these women you name subscribe to the absolute untruthful nonsense that Q ANON squirts out like a fire hose every day just to satiate their thirsty nutcase thralls. And before you sit there and whine that those woman you named are foul mouthed, better start listening to the claptrap your exalted leader spouts during one of his boner rallies. IF conservatives want a civil discourse, and I'm getting damned tired of hearing a lot of them say that we should just all be civil, start by cleaning our own foul house by voting out that potty-mouthed bully in chief you elected for president. The ONLY reason that bastard won in 2016 is because the Dems were stupid enough to run Hillary Clinton, an equally loathsome and polarizing character, against him. It was a choice between grey vomit and an orange turd and the orange turd won, but only in the Electoral College.

[Tunnelcat]

You mean like having a huge military budget, that gives other developed nations the luxury of having more to spend on social services.

You mean like that?

Oh that's right, I forgot...if we just make the rich pay their fair share everything would be hunky-dory.

Maybe this country would be better off if we spent more on decent and affordable healthcare instead of feeding the massive military industrial complex we're now stuck with. And before you defend the rich, take a gander at how the "rich" pay their taxes, or should I say "lack" of taxes. Geez, I wish I had enough money to able to lose so much that I only had to pay either zero or $750 in taxes. Biden and his wife had to cough up $288,000 last year. On top of that, the 300 million in loans that are coming due next year make Trump a serious security risk in his position as President of the United States.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... taxes.html

[Top Gun]

You mean like having a huge military budget, that gives other developed nations the luxury of having more to spend on social services.

You mean like that?

Oh that's right, I forgot...if we just make the rich pay their fair share everything would be hunky-dory.

Who the hell are we fighting right now, Spidey? Just what is our military defending us from, pray tell? When exactly has it "protected our country" since 1945?

[Spidey]

Well TC if all you respond to is the dog whistle "taxes" then you miss all of the other contributions that wealthy people contribute to an economy.

I have to go to the doctor right now, but if you want a list, just ask

[vision]

...you miss all of the other contributions that wealthy people contribute to an economy.

LOL name one. I was pointing this out to a friend of mine the other day that if wages were equal and we had a socialized workforce there would be no need for an investor class. Our economic system and government prop up a class structure of elites and undesirables. Guess what Spidey? Everyone here is in that later category and we could use your help.

[Vander]

You mean like having a huge military budget, that gives other developed nations the luxury of having more to spend on social services.

We spend *more* on healthcare than every other country, and get less in return.

[Tunnelcat]

Well TC if all you respond to is the dog whistle "taxes" then you miss all of the other contributions that wealthy people contribute to an economy.

I have to go to the doctor right now, but if you want a list, just ask

Yes, our tax system is progressive and yes, wealthy people contribute to society by creating businesses and an economy that puts people to work. I personally benefit from the stock market because my personal funds are sitting there earning money for my living expenses. But even with what we've saved throughout our years of hard work, we're not even in the top 10% of wage earners in retirement, which is technically anything above $158,000 a year.

What you have to look at is our county's income disparity and it's gotten worse over the intervening decades. in 1979, the bottom 90% earned 69.8% of all earnings. By 2018, it had dropped to 61%. However, the top 1% had it's share of earnings go from 7.3% in 1979 to 13.3% in 2018, almost doubling. The top 0.1% almost tripled theirs. That means that the middle class has shrunk while both the bottom and top tiers have expanded since the 1970's. The middle class is what really drives our economy and it's lost ground and size. Although the shrinkage of the middle class has currently stabilized, middle income families are still losing ground financially while the upper class is the ONLY tier to have regained their income and recovered from the last 2 recessions. In fact, I've benefited from that scenario since my income is tied to the market. Either way, It's a stark warning that the middle class is in trouble. You're a business owner Spidey, do the math. Depending on who typically buys your services and It's guessing it's mostly middle class customers you cater to, your base of clients has shrunk over the intervening decades, has less disposable income and has in all reality cut into your business bottom line.

https://www.investopedia.com/personal-f ... op-1-5-10/

https://www.investopedia.com/financial- ... e-you.aspx

Now we get to the likes of people like Trump. You can bet your bottom dollar that even though Trump is probably the worst businessman, biggest huckster and biggest investment loser on the planet, how he pays his taxes is not an outlier in the top tier world of taxpayers. Taking loses is a popular way to offset capital gains and no wise rich person worth their salt would miss out on that advantage to pay lower income taxes. You can also bet that Trump is not alone in abusing that part of the tax code either. I'm quite sure there is a lot of creative loss taking going on in the top 1% during tax time, cutting in the Treasury's and nation's revenue. Either way, once John Koskinen and Steve Mnuchin are gone from the IRS and the Treasury Department if the people of this country decide to throw the bastard out come next month, Trump will no longer have someone protecting his ass from the hounds at the IRS, with the added plus that a few of his banks are calling in their loans on the bastard next year.

To Vander's point, I was wondering what a months long hospital stay due to Covid-19 would cost. I got my answer and personally, I'd rather die than go into a hospital for that long only to survive and face bankruptcy, because I can only afford a high deductible health plan. I am NOT on Medicare yet and even with Covid-19, I'm quite sure my medical bills would be sky high (if I survived the ordeal) and mostly never waved. Even if my and other insurance companies DID wave most of those Covid bills, eventually those losses will be taken out of someone's hide in the form of higher premiums. They are a business after all and businesses don't like losses. They want profits. Also, the taxpayers had to cough up the cash for most of this one poor guy's nightmare of a medical bill, so we're all paying for it in some form or fashion. In this country, we pay the most of any nation on earth, with the worst of all outcomes. Personally, I can't wait to get on socialized medicine, I mean Medicare, because my premiums are almost unsustainable.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... ital-bill/

[woodchip]

So Trumps accountants use existing tax law to minimize what Trump has to pay in taxes and you find that troublesome?

[vision]

So Trumps accountants use existing tax law to minimize what Trump has to pay in taxes and you find that troublesome?

Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.

[Tunnelcat]

So Trumps accountants use existing tax law to minimize what Trump has to pay in taxes and you find that troublesome?

The question isn't that using existing tax law to his advantage is troublesome, although I sure most hard working people in this country would disagree with that practice. The question is, did he use illegal or creative accounting methods and other dirty shenanigans when reporting those losses, which is TAX FRAUD? Now you can see why he doesn't want to lose the election. If he does, he's in all likelihood going to be indicted for tax evasion and fraud and end up in jail, an outcome I'd love to see.

https://www.vox.com/21459231/trump-tax- ... sion-fraud