upgrade to windows 11?

[ReadyMan]

My PC tells me it's ready to upgrade to windows 11.

I read some articles a month or so ago, stating that it really hurts your gaming performance.
I'm only playing AoE4 (an MS game) and Red Solstice 2, so not sure if my pc will be impacted that much?

I'm running an i9-9900 @3.6 not overclocked, 32GB RAM, and a 2080 RTX TI nvidia geforce gfx card (which overheats, so I've got the fans running at 60% to keep it cool, which is working so far).

Any thoughts on to upgrade or not?

[Krom]

IIRC The major gaming slowdown was only for certain AMD systems.

[CDN_Merlin]

I just did it last night. Nothing runs or loads faster. This is on a system i bought last year so it's new.

[Krom]

I wouldn't really expect anything to be faster, but it at least shouldn't be significantly slower.

[fliptw]

Having testing it for the last few months, I'd wait till the first biennial update myself

[ReadyMan]

I installed it on my desktop and everything seems to be running fine.
Not sure I like the changes, but will get used to them I guess.

[Krom]

I got the offer from windows update today, skipping it for now though.

[Flatlander]

Is there any compelling reason to upgrade?

[Spidey]

Only when they stop supporting 10.

[TigerRaptor]

I won't be upgrading to Windows 11 or MX Linux 21 anytime soon. The old stuff works perfectly.

[woodchip]

If you don't have a SSD drive you'll be amazed how much faster everything works.

[Tunnelcat]

Only when they stop supporting 10.

2025 isn't it? I've got one computer, an older HP Workstation, that cannot be upgraded to Win 11 because it's old enough that the processor doesn't have TMP 2.0 on board and add on chips are currently impossible to find right now. It'll have to eventually be replaced. Microsoft adds more computers to the electronics landfill yet again.

[fliptw]

I can see MS loosening the hardware restrictions on win11 as uptake continues to be flat

[Tunnelcat]

https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/06/2 ... quirement/

[Jeff250]

Can anyone explain the motivation for requiring TPM 2.0? I can't find any explanation that doesn't conflate TPM with secure boot or that isn't just a bunch of enterprise marketing word salad. The only thing I can think of is that Microsoft wants to encrypt your hard drive with a TPM key so that you won't be able to pull a hard drive from one machine and read it in another, but that behavior seems like both a feature and a bug to me, and either way hardly something worth blocking Windows upgrades over.

[Krom]

My rough understanding of it is the TPM module is basically a separate processor and OS that runs in its own secure and isolated space. So if you want to make something nearly impossible to tamper with you have the OS ask the TPM to provide the keys to sign it with. Because it is isolated and the main processor is only allowed to interact with it in limited ways and it is just a low power embedded processor it makes it basically impossible to break the resulting encryption.

Basically I think it is a black box built into the computer that can be used to make something in memory extremely tamper resistant. The argument is that it is good for security, but I would generally ask "who's security?" because the answer is usually not the end user. It is probably most interesting for the makers of DRM and ironically also the makers of malware.

[fliptw]

The main motivation is probably pushing people to upgrade their hardware - mainly for Intel's Adler Lake CPUs. Windows 11 currently isn't available for retail purchase - its OEM only atm. TPM 2.0(which includes dedicated hardware and firmware running a secure area in the CPU) is a convenient, non-intel only Macguffin to justify windows 11's supported CPU list.

Like, as I stated, those two requirements will go away once adoption stalls for long enough.

[Tunnelcat]

Someone enlighten me something on this topic. My brother in law just bought an HP laptop with Windows 11 Home and no S-Mode. We could not find where Firefox was installed in the Start Menu or Explorer nor create a desktop shortcut for it either as it was normally done in Win 10. Of coarse it's in the taskbar but you can't create a desktop icon from there either. He also can't get ALL his different emails like Gmail and Yahoo added as a list into the MS Mail App which he uses. It only shows one of them in the list. Are we missing some detail? I'm no help since I don't use that app and don't have 11 yet.