Where have all the feminists gone

[Tunnelcat]

One, I don't believe trans athletes should compete against biological females or males. It's not fair since going through puberty gives a trans female an advantage over a biological female. I've posted that view here before, but you seem to keep ignoring it for argument's sake.

Two, I firmly believe if you don't have the actual hardware of the sex you present, you shouldn't be allowed in a locker room full of the opposite sex. Same with the bathroom. Use a dedicated single use bathroom or at least provide one for people who can't use a public bathroom. I know that I'll get screamed at by trans supporters, but the case you quote is not isolated, sadly true and there are people who will abuse the situation for their own entertainment. This is one of the reasons I never transitioned. The docs just can't physically change your sex organs to look and work normally like the sex you present on the surface.

Three, I've never had kids, wanted kids or do I even like kids. I abhor them and always have. I have no mothering instincts whatsoever. So sue me. But, if I'd ever bore a son who then came out as trans, wanted to transition to female after puberty and compete as a female athlete, I'd seriously try to dissuade her from wanting to essentially become a cheater in sports.

I'm not a "liberal". I'm more centrist. But according to conservatives, anyone left of "Nazi" or "Trump" is a commie liberal. Why don't you stop calling everyone a "liberal" who doesn't hold your extreme right wing views. It's a flat out attempt to put people who's political views you dislike into convenient political boxes you can stomp on. And I'll repeat this AGAIN since it hasn't sunk into your pee brain. I hate Biden. He's an old man past his prime with hands he can't seem to keep to himself. But, I WILL vote for him if it means it's the only way to keep an egomaniacal, lying, unstable, treasonous autocrat wannabe like Heir Trump from EVER becoming president ever again, PERIOD.

[woodchip]

"pee brain." It's spelled "Pea" Makes your whole rant seem, well frivolous

[Burlyman]

I think tunnelcat just doesn’t think people are ready for it so she claims to have the other opinion, just like “Adam.” I hope I’m wrong. You’re not centrist enough for me.

[Vander]

Only thing I have against trans. is male athlete's who can't hack it against males so they magically say they are female so the can compete against where they can win. And I won't even go into the fake tranny who puts on a dress so he can go into a girls bathroom where he rapes a girl.

I think it's funny that you believe that someone would go through all the bull★■◆● trans people go through so they can excel at high school volleyball. Or that a rapist cannot enter the ladies room unless they're wearing a dress.

That's clown ★■◆●.

[Darth Wang]

Only thing I have against trans. is male athlete's who can't hack it against males so they magically say they are female so the can compete against where they can win. And I won't even go into the fake tranny who puts on a dress so he can go into a girls bathroom where he rapes a girl.

I think it's funny that you believe that someone would go through all the bull★■◆● trans people go through so they can excel at high school volleyball. Or that a rapist cannot enter the ladies room unless they're wearing a dress.

That's clown ★■◆●.

Honestly it would be better if they just had unisex public bathrooms. As long as they have stalls, there is really no issue. It's been tried in many places and it works just fine.

[Spidey]

I don't think people trans to dominate in women's sports...that is just a bonus!

It's the same as when a company is forced to move their workforce to survive, and the extra profit becomes a bonus.

[Tunnelcat]

"pee brain." It's spelled "Pea" Makes your whole rant seem, well frivolous

I meant to say "pee brain". Despite my being in agreement with many of your points, you still can't control yourself and love "pee" out a bunch of frivolous BS because you can't resist hosing down the place with liquid stink. WTF is your problem?

[Ferno]

I'm literally telling you that you're trying to SUCK UP to people like woodchip.

Don't allow bigots to manipulate you.
That also means, that you don't decide that everything a bigot says requires you to take the opposite position. That is STILL being manipulated by the bigots.

Logically, Tunnelcat is correct. The reason we have segregated women's sports is because of the DRASTIC difference in strength between men and women.
female grip strength is 53% of male grip strength, just as one example: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10 ... lCode=prob

So it is fair and rational to say that people who have had the benefits of going through puberty with the testosterone of a male should not be competing in women's sports. That's rational and fair. The fact that some bigots support this does NOT mean it's wrong.

A fair solution seems to be the one recently reached in biking where they are changing the "Mens" category to "open", and leaving the "Women's" category to people who did not have strength boost of testosterone.

You missed the part where I had a gigantic problem with her suggesting trans people should have extensive surgery to please bigots. Or maybe you ignored it. I don't know which it was; either reason is absurd and insulting.

If I'm being 'manipulated' into defending if trans people should have the right to live, if I'm being 'manipulated' into letting trans people be who they are without the stamp of approval by bigots, then you're damned right I was 'manipulated'. Manipulated into defending human rights. I'm not about to debate if a person should have the right to exist as they are.

[Tunnelcat]

Ferno, you're mistaken. I no more want to appease bigots than you do. But do you have any idea what sex change surgery entails? It's not something a trans person will take lightly. It's a major surgery that's performed over many months, or even years and it can really mess up your life while it's being performed. Any doctor that says it's easy is a bald faced money grubbing liar. Remember, a person has to urinate from the same area too, so that adds to the difficulty. Plus, once it's finally done, a person can no longer have an orgasm and enjoy sex anymore. It's also a far longer, painful and more arduous process to become a male from a female and the outcome is not very realistic, so many times, an FTM will not bother go through the sex change surgery. Of course, then you run into the damn perverts and bigots. You have a solution, I'm all ears.

But here's the issue. How do you weed out the hetero perverts that want to abuse the system? It's happened more than you think. Some dickhead hetero male plays fake tyranny female and gets his jollies sauntering into women's locker rooms or even commits rape. How about a trans male who's decided to not go through a sex change for the reasons I listed above and wants to dress in a male only room? How does that person hide the fact that their body parts, and they DO have to hide it, don't match what they present in their face? Personally, I'd prefer unisex everything and absolute privacy when it comes to dressing rooms and bathrooms, then nobody would be the wiser, but it's not going to happen soon. In the real world, there are too many horny pig males with self control issues that mess it up for everyone who just want to live in peace.

[Vander]

How do you weed out the hetero perverts that want to abuse the system? It's happened more than you think. Some dickhead hetero male plays fake tyranny female and gets his jollies sauntering into women's locker rooms or even commits rape.

What do you think is more likely to happen, someone pretending to be trans to enter a women's locker assaults a woman, or a trans woman forced to use the men's locker room gets assaulted?

And again, why do you think someone intent on assaulting women needs to disguise themselves to gain entry into such a space?

[Tunnelcat]

You're probably right after doing more reading. There's no reason to pretend to be trans if you're a criminal who wants to assault someone in a bathroom or locker room. All this is nothing but fear mongering and sensationalism, especially from bigoted Christian and feminist groups. But personally, I would be uncomfortable going into a men's bathroom if I had transitioned in appearance to male, but not fully in the hardware department. When you gotta pee, you don't have that male hose and there's no privacy, it's kind of an inconvenient problem.

https://www.mediamatters.org/sexual-har ... hroom-myth

[woodchip]

"pee brain." It's spelled "Pea" Makes your whole rant seem, well frivolous

I meant to say "pee brain". Despite my being in agreement with many of your points, you still can't control yourself and love "pee" out a bunch of frivolous BS because you can't resist hosing down the place with liquid stink. WTF is your problem?

I think the question is what's your problem as you are the one spewing hate language and trying to demean people by categorizing them into your image of impropriety.

[Tunnelcat]

Read your own signature before you cast stones.

[woodchip]

And your replies prove my sig is true

[Top Gun]

Your sig is as full of ★■◆● as you are. But do carry on.

[Tunnelcat]

Problem is, I'm not a liberal. I'm an independent. Yet, you always focus on the liberal side like it's a festering sore in your backside that needs picking at. Your problem is that you hate anyone who even has a wiff of liberal, even if they're right of center politically. And you never criticize the extreme views being put forth on your own wingnut side, even though your side is pushing crazy conspiracy theories, gun ownership without even reasonable bounds, autocracy, white supremacism and fascism, nary a peep out of you, which is pretty much tacit approval. My sig is a joke meant for levity. Your sig is outright hate and propaganda. I could change my sig to dig at conservative flaws, but what's the point? To pick at political wounds and divide people? Don't forget, half this nation is liberal or liberal leaning. They're not going away anytime soon.

[Top Gun]

The hilarious part is that there's barely a true "leftist" movement in the United States. If woody came into contact with an actual honest-to-God socialist he'd probably spontaneously combust.

...hmm, maybe we could try to arrange that...

[woodchip]

The hilarious part is that there's barely a true "leftist" movement in the United States. If woody came into contact with an actual honest-to-God socialist he'd probably spontaneously combust.

...hmm, maybe we could try to arrange that...

A subtle threat? I seriously doubt you have the cojones

[Vander]

I brought up the woodchip situation during the last national antifa conference call, but everyone just laughed and went on plotting the Walker, Texas Ranger reboot with a trans actor.

[Tunnelcat]

Woody, remember this one fact. There aren't enough Republicans in this country to win national elections. In order to win, FAIRLY WITHOUT REVOLUTION, independents have to join them in the vote. Right now, your party is so crazy being full of unprincipled wingnuts, Trump worshippers and religious hate mongers, you're turning off the very voters you need to win. Hallelujah, praise the Lord.

[Ferno]

But here's the issue. How do you weed out the hetero perverts that want to abuse the system? It's happened more than you think. Some dickhead hetero male plays fake tyranny female and gets his jollies sauntering into women's locker rooms or even commits rape. How about a trans male who's decided to not go through a sex change for the reasons I listed above and wants to dress in a male only room? How does that person hide the fact that their body parts, and they DO have to hide it, don't match what they present in their face? Personally, I'd prefer unisex everything and absolute privacy when it comes to dressing rooms and bathrooms, then nobody would be the wiser, but it's not going to happen soon. In the real world, there are too many horny pig males with self control issues that mess it up for everyone who just want to live in peace.

"Oh no! What if straight men go into the girls bathroom to RAPE THEM??"

Thanks for going full right-wing on us. I'm not answering this garbage because it's transphobic as ★■◆●, and you ★■◆●ing knew that. ★■◆● you.

And the rest of you guys -- Vander, Top Gun, Krom, how come you guys aren't calling out this bigoted garbage, anyways? Why am I the only one doing it?

[woodchip]

But here's the issue. How do you weed out the hetero perverts that want to abuse the system? It's happened more than you think. Some dickhead hetero male plays fake tyranny female and gets his jollies sauntering into women's locker rooms or even commits rape. How about a trans male who's decided to not go through a sex change for the reasons I listed above and wants to dress in a male only room? How does that person hide the fact that their body parts, and they DO have to hide it, don't match what they present in their face? Personally, I'd prefer unisex everything and absolute privacy when it comes to dressing rooms and bathrooms, then nobody would be the wiser, but it's not going to happen soon. In the real world, there are too many horny pig males with self control issues that mess it up for everyone who just want to live in peace.

"Oh no! What if straight men go into the girls bathroom to RAPE THEM??"

Thanks for going full right-wing on us. I'm not answering this garbage because it's transphobic as ★■◆●, and you ★■◆●ing knew that. ★■◆● you.

And the rest of you guys -- Vander, Top Gun, Krom, how come you guys aren't calling out this bigoted garbage, anyways? Why am I the only one doing it?

Behind the times fernman? "UCI bans transgender athletes in female cycling competitions"
https://velo.outsideonline.com/news/uci ... ansgender/
At least TC is speaking from logic while you are speaking from some perverse smoke filled fugue state. Can't argue intelligently, then lets name call.

[Top Gun]

Ah, yes, the woody classic of Googling some random-ass news story that's only tangentially related to the current topic and doesn't support his "argument" in the slightest.

[vision]

And the rest of you guys -- ...how come you guys aren't calling out this bigoted garbage, anyways?

Honestly, I never read her posts. They are always too long and full of nonsense.

[Spidey]

Calling someone out for vitriol is only important depending on which group or person it's aimed at.

[Vander]

"Oh no! What if straight men go into the girls bathroom to RAPE THEM??"

Thanks for going full right-wing on us. I'm not answering this garbage because it's transphobic as ★■◆●, and you ★■◆●ing knew that. ★■◆● you.

And the rest of you guys -- Vander, Top Gun, Krom, how come you guys aren't calling out this bigoted garbage, anyways? Why am I the only one doing it?

I'm not sure what you want from me. I responded to the same bit of text you quoted, pointed out why it was stupid, and Tunnelcat conceded. Is that when I'm supposed to call her a bigot?

[Isaac]

Woody,

why do you have trouble

using quotes

on this forum?

It's not that hard.

[woodchip]

Ah, yes, the woody classic of Googling some random-ass news story that's only tangentially related to the current topic and doesn't support his "argument" in the slightest.

TG, I know you like to fancy yourself as learned, but if you goggle "VELO" you'll find VELO is a competitive cycling news source. Of course if you are to incompetent to click the link then I guess the old saying,"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" applies to you,

[woodchip]

"Oh no! What if straight men go into the girls bathroom to RAPE THEM??"

Thanks for going full right-wing on us. I'm not answering this garbage because it's transphobic as ★■◆●, and you ★■◆●ing knew that. ★■◆● you.

And the rest of you guys -- Vander, Top Gun, Krom, how come you guys aren't calling out this bigoted garbage, anyways? Why am I the only one doing it?

I'm not sure what you want from me. I responded to the same bit of text you quoted, pointed out why it was stupid, and Tunnelcat conceded. Is that when I'm supposed to call her a bigot?

No you are supposed to use little symbols that mean you don't have enough brain cells to think beyond 4 letter words that you don't know how to spell.

[Top Gun]

TG, I know you like to fancy yourself as learned, but if you goggle "VELO" you'll find VELO is a competitive cycling news source. Of course if you are to incompetent to click the link then I guess the old saying,"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" applies to you,

The quote you were responding to had absolutely nothing to do with transgender athletes. I still don't know why you thought that was an adequate response to Ferno. And why should any of us give a flying ★■◆● about a terrible decision by a cycling body?

[woodchip]

Woody, remember this one fact. There aren't enough Republicans in this country to win national elections. In order to win, FAIRLY WITHOUT REVOLUTION, independents have to join them in the vote. Right now, your party is so crazy being full of unprincipled wingnuts, Trump worshippers and religious hate mongers, you're turning off the very voters you need to win. Hallelujah, praise the Lord.

And yet we haven't burned down and taken over a city now have we.

[woodchip]

TG, I know you like to fancy yourself as learned, but if you goggle "VELO" you'll find VELO is a competitive cycling news source. Of course if you are to incompetent to click the link then I guess the old saying,"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" applies to you,

The quote you were responding to had absolutely nothing to do with transgender athletes. I still don't know why you thought that was an adequate response to Ferno. And why should any of us give a flying ★■◆● about a terrible decision by a cycling body?

First off Ferno used the word "trabsphobic" so I responded the way I did. And I now see the USA is following suit. Why a cycling body? Because when 1 sports body shows the Cajones to kick male athletes claiming they are females in dress only, watch and see how this may snowball...much like Bud-light learned only to other sports.

[Vander]

That’s some clown ★■◆●.

[Top Gun]

First off Ferno used the word "trabsphobic" so I responded the way I did. And I now see the USA is following suit. Why a cycling body? Because when 1 sports body shows the Cajones to kick male athletes claiming they are females in dress only, watch and see how this may snowball...much like Bud-light learned only to other sports.

Are you capable of not being a bigoted piece of ★■◆● for, like, ten seconds?

[Tunnelcat]

Woody, remember this one fact. There aren't enough Republicans in this country to win national elections. In order to win, FAIRLY WITHOUT REVOLUTION, independents have to join them in the vote. Right now, your party is so crazy being full of unprincipled wingnuts, Trump worshippers and religious hate mongers, you're turning off the very voters you need to win. Hallelujah, praise the Lord.

And yet we haven't burned down and taken over a city now have we.

I guess a violent "protest" taking over the U.S. Capital and trashing it, calling to hang the VP and trying to overthrow a duly elected president doesn't count.

[Tunnelcat]

"Oh no! What if straight men go into the girls bathroom to RAPE THEM??"

Thanks for going full right-wing on us. I'm not answering this garbage because it's transphobic as ★■◆●, and you ★■◆●ing knew that. ★■◆● you.

And the rest of you guys -- Vander, Top Gun, Krom, how come you guys aren't calling out this bigoted garbage, anyways? Why am I the only one doing it?

Ferno, you're right in one aspect. Some trans faker going into a women's bathroom to do some raping is rare.

https://www.mic.com/articles/114066/sta ... -bathrooms

But Ferno, all it takes is ONE case of this happening and the bigots go crazy. They'll latch onto a single case and freak out, passing draconian laws claiming its a rampant problem and laws have to be passed. Ignorance can never be cured either, because education is poison to them. I'm of the opinion that slow and sure efforts changes minds, not shoving it down the throat in one large mass. As a trans person, I want to change minds for good, not force things some people refuse to accept out of fear and hate. The fact you see fit to attack me shows me YOU are someone who would force the issue, not persuade.

And woody, post factual links to all this fake trans bathroom rape going on that's NOT from a right wing site. The link I posted says zero, but that was back in 2015.

[Ferno]

I'm not sure what you want from me. I responded to the same bit of text you quoted, pointed out why it was stupid, and Tunnelcat conceded. Is that when I'm supposed to call her a bigot?

If the situation calls for it, yes! We all need to take the proverbial smart missile and nail it right on the nose. It's not about if perspective A is more valid than perspective B, like it used to be. It's now about a decent group of people wanting everyone to simply exist versus a group that wants to see trans people exterminated simply for existing.

The fact you see fit to attack me

I'm attacking the bigotry in your message. I'm attacking the accusation that males are pretending to be trans to go into a womans' bathroom to rape. That ★■◆● I expect from woodchip. Never happened in 2015, and never happened in 2023. I expect it to end right here, right now. Or I will go after it again.

not force things some people refuse to accept out of fear and hate

Then stop. helping. them.

Speaking of woody - You're in no position to comment on whether a person can argue intelligently.

[Isaac]

Say all the negative stuff you want about Woody, he's able to bait you all into conversation and keep this forum alive.

[TheWhat]

They aren't all decent people, what a ridiculous thing to type **(I see now I read it wrong - you were calling people who defend trans bathroom rights as decent, which once again is ludicrous). They aren't all rapists and serial killers but they aren't all "decent" - please - I've never met a group of people who were all "decent". And because people are questioning and concerned about their children being in a bathroom with a stranger doesn't make the questioners the Khmer Rouge. It's legitimate questioning, it could be xenophobia, it's still legitimate questioning if you're a parent.

Personally I reached diversity fatigue with this subject a couple of years ago - not even .05% of the population being talked about 70% of the time - 24 hours a day - yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Let's stop the globe from spinning because a bunch of 14 year olds think that if they cut their cocks off they won't be suicidal anymore - yeah ok - their frontal lobes aren't even fully formed for another decade and they know these things. You can have compassion for people, and human rights, AND be a good person and be like "wait a minute: you can just wake up and say 'I'm this today and can use any bathroom at a highway rest stop'?"

Genocide? There are Chinese minorities having actual re-location and genocidal acts happening to them that get way way way less attention than them they their he him or whatever the ★■◆● else I'm supposed to stop my day over. You're overly dramatic.

[TigerRaptor]

Say all the negative stuff you want about Woody, he's able to bait you all into conversation and keep this forum alive.

That's obvious. What he's posting says a lot about his character.