Truth is the first casualty

[Ferno]

Unfortunately, the only realistic path is to hope the world finally turns against this Zionist program of genocide.

And do what?

Uhh... not have to watch and deal with a genocidal maniac trying to wipe out an entire populace?

[Spidey]

Thats a goal, not a solution.

My question for vision was, what is the world supposed to do when it turns against this "Zionist program of genocide".

[vision]

My question for vision was, what is the world supposed to do when it turns against this "Zionist program of genocide".

Starve it. Stop funding it. Sanction it. If Israel's trading partners say "yo, we're not going to do business with you while you genocide" they'll stop that ★■◆● real quick. Religion and ethnic identity are valued, but never as much as money. South African Apartheid was conquered economically and though influence of SA's partners, the technique can work here too.

[Spidey]

Sure that might work, but you seem to be forgetting that there is an issue on both sides.

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

[woodchip]

Sure that might work, but you seem to be forgetting that there is an issue on both sides.

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

Already been tried and look whats happened. Rest of the world will cluck like they have sympathy for the Palestinians but in reality they know that Hamas will keep attacking and keep getting better at it. The Jews need to finish it once and for all.

[Vander]

I've been debating with myself on whether to reply to this or not, and if so, what to actually say. It's ranged from "★■◆● off you genocidal prick" to a more thoughtful explanation of the practical reasons Israel wouldn't get their happily ever after after doing such a thing.

I'm just going to go with:

★■◆● off you genocidal prick

[Ferno]

Sure that might work, but you seem to be forgetting that there is an issue on both sides.

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

Already been tried and look whats happened. Rest of the world will cluck like they have sympathy for the Palestinians but in reality they know that Hamas will keep attacking and keep getting better at it. The Jews need to finish it once and for all.

This is the day where woodchip proves he is A [Deleted].

There is no going back for you now. [Deleted. You've gotten your point across.] If this was during world war two, you'd catch a bullet in the chest delivered by the 1st platoon.

Now Krom... are you going to bounce this horrible ★■◆● for life, or what?

[vision]

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

It depends. Right now Israel has simply caged the people of Palestine and there is no real dialog for a solution. And this isn't just a problem between Israel and Palestinians, it involves all of us. Israel has been very unserious about solutions, obviously, because they have so much to lose as a colonial power compared to Palestinians who have everything to gain. But if Israel backs off and makes concessions, there is likely a middle ground to be found.

Remember, Hamas exists as it does today because, rather than remaining a small resistance front, Israel's right-wing elevated it's status in an effort to thwart Palestinian unity. A unified Palestinian government could be a negotiating partner and concessions should keep violence to a minimum -- if and only if the Palestinians can measure tangible improvements to their situation. But again, this requires Israel to be serious, and it won't be serious if it's continually enabled.

[Isaac]

[Deleted]

Sure that might work, but you seem to be forgetting that there is an issue on both sides.

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

Already been tried and look whats happened. Rest of the world will cluck like they have sympathy for the Palestinians but in reality they know that Hamas will keep attacking and keep getting better at it. The Jews need to finish it once and for all.

I'm all for killing Hamas terrorists, but not caring about civilian casualties is causing actual causing genocide. It's important to understand that Palestinians in Gaza are basically being held hostage by Hamas are literally being used for human shields. And Hamas knows nobody is going to blame Hamas if Israel kills their human shields, so they have no incentive to protect their own people. The result? Nobody is on the civilian's side in the middle east...

[Tunnelcat]

Sure that might work, but you seem to be forgetting that there is an issue on both sides.

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

Already been tried and look whats happened. Rest of the world will cluck like they have sympathy for the Palestinians but in reality they know that Hamas will keep attacking and keep getting better at it. The Jews need to finish it once and for all.

You and you're ilk have learned nothing. The day you remove your hateful and ignorant signature will never come, because you believe in it to the core of your being and are incapable of anything else within reason. People here will keep calling you foul names and I will keep on having to remove them, making them hate me for doing a job.

You, MAGA, Trump and even a couple of the current Republican presidential candidates (Ramaswamy and DeSantis) are evidence of that modern embracing of Neo Fascism. Hate begets hate, no matter who spews it or performs it for whatever "reason" and nothing is ever "finished". People never learn their lessons, no matter how painful those lessons are or were or how many people die. They forget, sometimes from the passage of time or on purpose, just to further an agenda. We also never seem to learn from our mistakes, or the horrors we experience, and love to relive them. Killing people to solve the problem at hand solves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. We fought a World War to rid ourselves of Nazis and Imperialists and millions of people died in the process, yet that didn't solve the problem, did it? Neo-Nazism is again rearing it's ugly head all over the U.S. and Europe. We went into Indochina with the stated purpose of wiping out communism, yet it's still there and again, thousands upon thousands died. We still trade with China and now even Vietnam, yet revile their political systems. That Vietnam War, and the proceeding Korean War, were absolutely no solutions at all even after all the killing was over, were they? One of the most populous nations on Earth is solidly Communist and will be for the foreseeable future. We as a country either have to live with it, or try to destroy it, forgetting that war with China and NK is a zero sum game and we all lose. Time heals wounds, or makes them inconvenient impediments requiring our forgetfulness in order to do business, which seems far more important than wiping out the world at the moment I guess.

The U.S. itself wants to ignore it's own inconvenient history, that the founders and colonists performed some violent ethnic cleansing of the native populations when they invaded native lands (both continents too) under the guise of colonialism, all to forcefully take land and resources that wasn't even theirs to take in the first place. On top of that, we fought between ourselves in a Civil War in order to free the slaves and divest the entire American South of an economy run entirely on the backs of those slaves. How quaint. It seems many can't understand why the descendants of those slaves are STILL bitter after all these years. I can see why DeSantis want's to scrub that sordid history from our school history books. It's so inconvenient and nasty looking towards white Europeans. So it's no surprise that our country supports modern colonialism (Zionism) when it concerns our ally, Israel. They want their own country, fine, I don't fault them for wanting it. But wiping out entire groups of innocent local civilians will only invite continued hate and war with their neighbors. If that's Netanyahu's "solution", there will never, ever be peace, just constant bloodshed. The Jews also learned nothing from their experience with genocide in WWII, since they seem so willing to perform it against THEIR enemies in the pursuit of statehood. They willingly ignore that the source of all these problems is how they're currently dealing with the large population of Palestinians, surrounding them with walls and barbed wire in a form of Apartheid. They don't like their neighbors, just kill them all, wipe out the problem. Like Spidey said: That's the goal, not the solution. The Jews of all people should understand that since they were once victims of it and survived.

[Darth Wang]

China is significantly less communist than it used to be...

[Ferno]

We don't hate you for doing your job TC. What we're disappointed in is you're not straight-up deleting his hateful posts.

So we push back. Hard.

Have you heard of the story of the bartender who has to deal with the nazi that comes in? The bartender sees the swastika and other aryan nation tattoos. He stops him in his tracks and throws him out. Because he knows the nazi will invite his nazi friends. And if the bartender doesn't do anything about it, the bar becomes a nazi bar. In this case, you're the bartender and you're letting it be known woodchip's genocidal post is okay to leave up, inviting him to make more hateful, genocidal and monstrous posts. In other words, you're not doing your job. I know that speaking that large reasoned post might work, but it won't.

So do your job. If you can't, then step down and let someone like Vander, Vision or Darth Wang take over.

[woodchip]

I've been debating with myself on whether to reply to this or not, and if so, what to actually say. It's ranged from "★■◆● off you genocidal prick" to a more thoughtful explanation of the practical reasons Israel wouldn't get their happily ever after after doing such a thing.

I'm just going to go with:

★■◆● off you genocidal prick

Thank you for the thoughtful reply . Now for a thoughtful response. Your "happily ever after" response is based on ignorance and antisemitism. You do realize Saudi Arabia was all set to recognize Israel as a nation. Once that was done, I suspect Egypt would of followed suit . But Iran and Hamas didn't want that...hence Oct. 7th. Now the Saudi's put that on hold. The only genocidal pricks are cheap pricks like you who have trouble understanding international politics and try to pretend they have the high road by calling people names.

[woodchip]

[Deleted]

Sure that might work, but you seem to be forgetting that there is an issue on both sides.

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

Already been tried and look whats happened. Rest of the world will cluck like they have sympathy for the Palestinians but in reality they know that Hamas will keep attacking and keep getting better at it. The Jews need to finish it once and for all.

I'm all for killing Hamas terrorists, but not caring about civilian casualties is causing actual causing genocide. It's important to understand that Palestinians in Gaza are basically being held hostage by Hamas are literally being used for human shields. And Hamas knows nobody is going to blame Hamas if Israel kills their human shields, so they have no incentive to protect their own people. The result? Nobody is on the civilian's side in the middle east...

I agree with you but when Hamas went on a genocidal rampage in Israel, did they offer any "pause" for the civilians like the Jews are doing so Palestinian civilians can leave Gaza? Did the Jews use their citizens as shield? Store arms and ammunition in and under schools and hospitals? All of which are war crimes as defined by the Geneva Convention.

[woodchip]

Sure that might work, but you seem to be forgetting that there is an issue on both sides.

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

Already been tried and look whats happened. Rest of the world will cluck like they have sympathy for the Palestinians but in reality they know that Hamas will keep attacking and keep getting better at it. The Jews need to finish it once and for all.

You and you're ilk have learned nothing. The day you remove your hateful and ignorant signature will never come, because you believe in it to the core of your being and are incapable of anything else within reason. People here will keep calling you foul names and I will keep on having to remove them, making them hate me for doing a job.


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Tsk tsk, poor baby

[woodchip]

China is significantly less communist than it used to be...

based on?

[woodchip]

Sure that might work, but you seem to be forgetting that there is an issue on both sides.

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

Already been tried and look whats happened. Rest of the world will cluck like they have sympathy for the Palestinians but in reality they know that Hamas will keep attacking and keep getting better at it. The Jews need to finish it once and for all.

This is the day where woodchip proves he is A [Deleted].

There is no going back for you now. [Deleted. You've gotten your point across.] If this was during world war two, you'd catch a bullet in the chest delivered by the 1st platoon.

Now Krom... are you going to bounce this horrible ★■◆● for life, or what?

Unfortunately you have no idea what you are talking about. And how are you any better than Mysterian? First you want to hit me and now you want me dead. If Krom had any principles he'd ban you.

[TigerRaptor]

This comment will probably be removed. He's not the only one who wants to give you a kick in the ass

[Darth Wang]

China is significantly less communist than it used to be...

based on?

Tons of foreign investment, billionaires, stock exchange, capital markets, private companies, etc. The CCP is trying to crack down on these things but they are a lot more common than they were under Mao.

[Tunnelcat]

Sure that might work, but you seem to be forgetting that there is an issue on both sides.

What happens when Israel is persuaded into good behavior, but the attacks against Israel keep on happening?

Already been tried and look whats happened. Rest of the world will cluck like they have sympathy for the Palestinians but in reality they know that Hamas will keep attacking and keep getting better at it. The Jews need to finish it once and for all.

You and you're ilk have learned nothing. The day you remove your hateful and ignorant signature will never come, because you believe in it to the core of your being and are incapable of anything else within reason. People here will keep calling you foul names and I will keep on having to remove them, making them hate me for doing a job.


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Tsk tsk, poor baby

You probably already saw what Ferno posted since it sat here for a few days before I got around to deleting it. Jeff didn't even bother. You deserved every vile word of it IMO. Yet you keep coming back like a persistent wart and whining why people call you names and how they should be banned. Do you want to discuss things like an adult here, or start by poking the tiger with a stick like a bored stupid kid by displaying a biased arrogant signature every time someone sees your avatar? There are a ton of really nasty and accurate descriptions about the far right I could put in my signature today, but I don't. So who's the adult in the room?

[Ferno]

Not to mention, that if this board, or if he was in Canada, both would be facing legal consequences. Everything from him being arrested and brought before the authorities for questioning, this place being served with a government notice to take the post down, and if not complied with, would have the ISP AND all parties involved served with notice, and the ISP having no choice but to legit delete the entire board.

Hell, it's even in this places' Terms of Service.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where “DescentBB” is hosted or International Law. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned, with notification of your Internet Service Provider if deemed required by us. The IP address of all posts are recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions.

Woodchip broke the ★■◆●ing law in quite a few countries and no one ★■◆●ing DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

First you want to hit me and now you want me dead.

Because in the 1940's, you and your hateful nazi ilk did die. By the allies. Another dead nazi won't bother my conscience at all. You broke the social contract long ago. You continue to break it. You showed how much of a monster you really are, time and time again. I don't have to do ★■◆● to make you happy.

[Tunnelcat]

China is significantly less communist than it used to be...

based on?

Tons of foreign investment, billionaires, stock exchange, capital markets, private companies, etc. The CCP is trying to crack down on these things but they are a lot more common than they were under Mao.

Money is a strong motivator and it gives a country's leaders power, even for the commies. The Chinese aren't stupid either. They saw what happened to the Soviet Union and how it folded under it's own rigid and poverty-stricken weight and how well Capitalism gave massive power to it's leaders and made the people they lead happy and compliant. So they decided on a new type of merged system, all to gain worldwide power and strength and give just enough sense of freedom to keep the masses happy. After all, what's the difference between Capitalism and Communism? They both have rich and powerful leaders. They "enslave" those not in the elite class or not in power by forcing them to work and be "productive" members of society. The only difference is that Capitalism gives people the illusion of freedom, self-direction and destiny, when in reality, few ever get out of the status they're born into and remain that way most of their lives, even in the U.S. There's just enough examples of people making it rich to keep the illusion going. By the way, our own Capitalism created the monster that is China today. We have only ourselves to blame because of our desire for cheap products and every corporation's desire to make as much profit as possible off us broke peons. Bow to your new overlords.

[Tunnelcat]

You broke the terms of service too Ferno. I just didn't get around to removing it quick enough. There's so much mud slinging going on around here that it's hard to keep up with, or even resist doing it myself since I'm human. I'll agree with one thing. Neo Nazis need to die, no matter what it takes to accomplish that. If our country is stupid enough to elect one next year, and the local resident Nazi is gloating about it, the coming war will be messy, no matter what our military under his control tries to do about it. Next year Ferno, Canada better close the U.S. border.

[woodchip]

TC, you ever study China and the 300 year cycle?

[Tunnelcat]

I know one thing. China wants to restore their status as a dominating world power, a power they haven't enjoyed for over 2000 years. No matter what you say, the U.S and Europe played a large role in giving them the resources and funds to attempt to regain that status within the last century. I don't see the U.S. having the ability to stop that from happening without a major world war.

[Spidey]

China is just as Communist as it has ever been, considering that Communism has never been practiced beyond being a type of authoritarian political party.

One could say China is less socialist than ever, and that would probably be correct.

[Vander]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply . Now for a thoughtful response. Your "happily ever after" response is based on ignorance and antisemitism.

Horesh!t.

You do realize Saudi Arabia was all set to recognize Israel as a nation. Once that was done, I suspect Egypt would of followed suit . But Iran and Hamas didn't want that...hence Oct. 7th. Now the Saudi's put that on hold. The only genocidal pricks are cheap pricks like you who have trouble understanding international politics and try to pretend they have the high road by calling people names.

I must have trouble understanding international politics because by your own depiction of the situation, Israel is making a mistake, no? But I guess deals with petro-kings take a back seat when the opportunity to accelerate your ethnic cleansing arises.

Lunatics are leading Israel. Actual racist genocidal lunatics. Just look at what they're doing, and listen to what they're saying. If you agree with what they're saying and what they're doing, don't clutch your pearls when you also get called a racist genocidal lunatic. Own it.

[Tunnelcat]

Israelis voted Netanyahu back into power just as the Palestinians gave Hamas it's leadership role. Didn't these 2 "states", for lack of a better term, both realize what the result would end up being once these 2 leader warmongers were put in control? The Palestinians knew Hamas and everyone in Israel knew Netanyahu and STILL they voted for them. No one has blinders here. Does that mean that they both subliminally really wanted to go at it tooth and nail once and for all and settle things? When you look at it, we technically shouldn't have sympathy for either side. They both elected racist, warmongering despots as leaders and they both got what they wanted, war, death and destruction while the people they lead are now paying the price. As Vander indicated, if it weren't for the stupid oil sitting under all that desert, the U.S. would not be involved with the entire retched cesspool of humanity. The Jews want a state, they will have to fight for it and pay the price of war. Either that, or build a desert coliseum and stick all the leaders, kings, princes and Ayatollahs of those local nations supporting proxies in the arena, give them swords and shields, and let them fight it out amongst themselves to settle the issue. I'd pay to watch.

Meanwhile, I just saw this bit of Israeli propaganda that recently aired on my local network, funded by the Anti-Defamation League.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/5jwm/anti-defam ... lestinians

[Tunnelcat]

"What if that bear invaded your home, killed half of your family, and forced you to live in the outhouse in the backyard for 70+ years? Would you not be justified in trying to get rid of it?"

That statement implies that the average Palestinian has agency or complicity in the terror attacks.

No more than the average Japanese was complicit in the attack on Pearl Harbor.

I don't know if you've read the book "Unbroken" or not woody. You should. At first, reading it, one wants to kill every Japanese person on the planet because they're all a bunch of sadists and killers. More American and foreign POW's were tortured, brutalized, experimented on, suffered and died at the hands of the Japanese Army than in any other WWII theater, including Germany. The Japanese did the same to millions of Chinese and Koreans. All the POW's absolutely hated most of their captors. I certainly would've. Acts of murder were common fantasies. Some of the Japanese were nice, but many, many more were racist, sadistic butchers. Thousands of POW's were outright executed en masse when the war came to a close too. Yet, once many of these POW's, who were kept in Japan proper were freed, sympathy for the locals began to emerge amongst them, even after all they'd been through. Before we dropped the 2 nukes, we fire bombed the hell out of nearly ALL of the major Japanese cities. Burned them to cinders and carpet bombed them into a moonscape. The local population was no better off than the starving POW's by war's end. We got our revenge in spades. As the prisoners roamed around the cities and saw the misery of the locals, many of them starting giving them some of the food that our own planes dropped on the camps for the POW's. We dropped so much food that there was more than enough for the former prisoners to hand out to the locals. That generosity also showed the locals that we weren't the monsters that their very closed culture and Emperor made us out to be, even though we'd been treated like animals by their army and many civilians during the war. It's called "humanity", something you seem to be lacking with this modern conflict. They're always innocent victims in any war, no matter who's "side" they're on.

[woodchip]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply . Now for a thoughtful response. Your "happily ever after" response is based on ignorance and antisemitism.

Horesh!t.

You do realize Saudi Arabia was all set to recognize Israel as a nation. Once that was done, I suspect Egypt would of followed suit . But Iran and Hamas didn't want that...hence Oct. 7th. Now the Saudi's put that on hold. The only genocidal pricks are cheap pricks like you who have trouble understanding international politics and try to pretend they have the high road by calling people names.

I must have trouble understanding international politics because by your own depiction of the situation, Israel is making a mistake, no? But I guess deals with petro-kings take a back seat when the opportunity to accelerate your ethnic cleansing arises.

Lunatics are leading Israel. Actual racist genocidal lunatics. Just look at what they're doing, and listen to what they're saying. If you agree with what they're saying and what they're doing, don't clutch your pearls when you also get called a racist genocidal lunatic. Own it.

Israel is not making a mistake and the lunatics are Hamas and Iran...and posters like you.

[woodchip]

Israelis voted Netanyahu back into power just as the Palestinians gave Hamas it's leadership role. Didn't these 2 "states", for lack of a better term, both realize what the result would end up being once these 2 leader warmongers were put in control? The Palestinians knew Hamas and everyone in Israel knew Netanyahu and STILL they voted for them. No one has blinders here. Does that mean that they both subliminally really wanted to go at it tooth and nail once and for all and settle things? When you look at it, we technically shouldn't have sympathy for either side. They both elected racist, warmongering despots as leaders and they both got what they wanted, war, death and destruction while the people they lead are now paying the price. As Vander indicated, if it weren't for the stupid oil sitting under all that desert, the U.S. would not be involved with the entire retched cesspool of humanity. The Jews want a state, they will have to fight for it and pay the price of war. Either that, or build a desert coliseum and stick all the leaders, kings, princes and Ayatollahs of those local nations supporting proxies in the arena, give them swords and shields, and let them fight it out amongst themselves to settle the issue. I'd pay to watch.

Meanwhile, I just saw this bit of Israeli propaganda that recently aired on my local network, funded by the Anti-Defamation League.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/5jwm/anti-defam ... lestinians

The Jews have a State and are willing to fight for it. I would personalty not watch anyone fight, but then I have my own experience with it...and you don't. As to all the wealth, just think how well off the Palestinians could of been if Hamas would of governed instead of having their hearts filled with hate, kinda like you and certain other members here

[Darth Wang]

Israelis voted Netanyahu back into power just as the Palestinians gave Hamas it's leadership role. Didn't these 2 "states", for lack of a better term, both realize what the result would end up being once these 2 leader warmongers were put in control? The Palestinians knew Hamas and everyone in Israel knew Netanyahu and STILL they voted for them. No one has blinders here. Does that mean that they both subliminally really wanted to go at it tooth and nail once and for all and settle things? When you look at it, we technically shouldn't have sympathy for either side. They both elected racist, warmongering despots as leaders and they both got what they wanted, war, death and destruction while the people they lead are now paying the price. As Vander indicated, if it weren't for the stupid oil sitting under all that desert, the U.S. would not be involved with the entire retched cesspool of humanity. The Jews want a state, they will have to fight for it and pay the price of war. Either that, or build a desert coliseum and stick all the leaders, kings, princes and Ayatollahs of those local nations supporting proxies in the arena, give them swords and shields, and let them fight it out amongst themselves to settle the issue. I'd pay to watch.

Meanwhile, I just saw this bit of Israeli propaganda that recently aired on my local network, funded by the Anti-Defamation League.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/5jwm/anti-defam ... lestinians

The Jews have a State and are willing to fight for it. I would personalty not watch anyone fight, but then I have my own experience with it...and you don't. As to all the wealth, just think how well off the Palestinians could of been if Hamas would of governed instead of having their hearts filled with hate, kinda like you and certain other members here

Coming from the guy calling for literal genocide...

[Tunnelcat]

The Jews have a State and are willing to fight for it. I would personalty not watch anyone fight, but then I have my own experience with it...and you don't. As to all the wealth, just think how well off the Palestinians could of been if Hamas would of governed instead of having their hearts filled with hate, kinda like you and certain other members here

I don't hate the Israelis. I don't hate the Palestinians either. If they want to squabble and kill each other over who gets what land to live on, which they've been doing ever since the end of WWII, that's their choice. They both elected leaders willing to take up the mantle of violence and war to decide that outcome and THAT'S their choice. However, I do hate Nazis and Fascists and I have good reasons for that hate. Does that rub your fur the wrong way?

[woodchip]

Israelis voted Netanyahu back into power just as the Palestinians gave Hamas it's leadership role. Didn't these 2 "states", for lack of a better term, both realize what the result would end up being once these 2 leader warmongers were put in control? The Palestinians knew Hamas and everyone in Israel knew Netanyahu and STILL they voted for them. No one has blinders here. Does that mean that they both subliminally really wanted to go at it tooth and nail once and for all and settle things? When you look at it, we technically shouldn't have sympathy for either side. They both elected racist, warmongering despots as leaders and they both got what they wanted, war, death and destruction while the people they lead are now paying the price. As Vander indicated, if it weren't for the stupid oil sitting under all that desert, the U.S. would not be involved with the entire retched cesspool of humanity. The Jews want a state, they will have to fight for it and pay the price of war. Either that, or build a desert coliseum and stick all the leaders, kings, princes and Ayatollahs of those local nations supporting proxies in the arena, give them swords and shields, and let them fight it out amongst themselves to settle the issue. I'd pay to watch.

Meanwhile, I just saw this bit of Israeli propaganda that recently aired on my local network, funded by the Anti-Defamation League.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/5jwm/anti-defam ... lestinians

The Jews have a State and are willing to fight for it. I would personalty not watch anyone fight, but then I have my own experience with it...and you don't. As to all the wealth, just think how well off the Palestinians could of been if Hamas would of governed instead of having their hearts filled with hate, kinda like you and certain other members here

Coming from the guy calling for literal genocide...

And just how was I calling for genocide?

[woodchip]

The Jews have a State and are willing to fight for it. I would personalty not watch anyone fight, but then I have my own experience with it...and you don't. As to all the wealth, just think how well off the Palestinians could of been if Hamas would of governed instead of having their hearts filled with hate, kinda like you and certain other members here

I don't hate the Israelis. I don't hate the Palestinians either. If they want to squabble and kill each other over who gets what land to live on, which they've been doing ever since the end of WWII, that's their choice. They both elected leaders willing to take up the mantle of violence and war to decide that outcome and THAT'S their choice. However, I do hate Nazis and Fascists and I have good reasons for that hate. Does that rub your fur the wrong way?

Do you hate Hamas in the same degree as Nazis's? They both want/wanted to kill Jews and used religion/superiority as a justification

[Darth Wang]

Israelis voted Netanyahu back into power just as the Palestinians gave Hamas it's leadership role. Didn't these 2 "states", for lack of a better term, both realize what the result would end up being once these 2 leader warmongers were put in control? The Palestinians knew Hamas and everyone in Israel knew Netanyahu and STILL they voted for them. No one has blinders here. Does that mean that they both subliminally really wanted to go at it tooth and nail once and for all and settle things? When you look at it, we technically shouldn't have sympathy for either side. They both elected racist, warmongering despots as leaders and they both got what they wanted, war, death and destruction while the people they lead are now paying the price. As Vander indicated, if it weren't for the stupid oil sitting under all that desert, the U.S. would not be involved with the entire retched cesspool of humanity. The Jews want a state, they will have to fight for it and pay the price of war. Either that, or build a desert coliseum and stick all the leaders, kings, princes and Ayatollahs of those local nations supporting proxies in the arena, give them swords and shields, and let them fight it out amongst themselves to settle the issue. I'd pay to watch.

Meanwhile, I just saw this bit of Israeli propaganda that recently aired on my local network, funded by the Anti-Defamation League.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/5jwm/anti-defam ... lestinians

The Jews have a State and are willing to fight for it. I would personalty not watch anyone fight, but then I have my own experience with it...and you don't. As to all the wealth, just think how well off the Palestinians could of been if Hamas would of governed instead of having their hearts filled with hate, kinda like you and certain other members here

Coming from the guy calling for literal genocide...

And just how was I calling for genocide?

After all the attacks by Hamas, can you blame the Israeli's for wanting to wipe the strip clean? And by not doing a proper cleansing, Netanyahu is certainly not enhancing his career. Posturing that you will do some cleansing and then don't , won't get you re-elected

And don't try to get out of it with any false equivalence tactics. No one here is suggesting that Israel should be 'wiped clean'.

[Tunnelcat]

The Jews have a State and are willing to fight for it. I would personalty not watch anyone fight, but then I have my own experience with it...and you don't. As to all the wealth, just think how well off the Palestinians could of been if Hamas would of governed instead of having their hearts filled with hate, kinda like you and certain other members here

I don't hate the Israelis. I don't hate the Palestinians either. If they want to squabble and kill each other over who gets what land to live on, which they've been doing ever since the end of WWII, that's their choice. They both elected leaders willing to take up the mantle of violence and war to decide that outcome and THAT'S their choice. However, I do hate Nazis and Fascists and I have good reasons for that hate. Does that rub your fur the wrong way?

Do you hate Hamas in the same degree as Nazis's? They both want/wanted to kill Jews and used religion/superiority as a justification

I hate all terrorists, especially ones that use their religion to justify their hateful and violent actions, that includes Muslim and Christian-based by the way. You seem to see all Muslims as terrorists, then ignore the Christian ones within our own country, especially if they attack marginalized people you don't like, or anyone that even smells lefty. You also ignore, or even applaud, violence from your side of the right wing political spectrum, like the vicious attack on Paul Pelosi or the Jan. 7th attack on our own Capital or the killings of abortion doctors. And remember, most Palestinians are not Hamas, just as most German civilians were not Nazis and most Vietnamese civilians were not Viet Cong. Should I call many of our Vietnam vets in this country terrorists? There are documented cases of our own military men going around torturing, burning down whole villages and violently raping/mutilating civilian women. You know, just like the Japanese did to Nanking? That's not fighting a war, that's terrorism, or are now the 2 actions so intertwined we should just ignore the Geneva Convention, any sense of humanity and just kill with impunity whenever there's a conflict?

Right now, many Israelis would rather see Netanyahu be forced out of office, both for his failure to see or prevent the recent Hamas attack and for the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, which is turning the world against Israel right now with multitudinous scenes of dead Palestinian children and babies, who now far outnumber the deaths and kidnappings of the Israelis. How much death is needed retribution? Netanyahu is also having to deal with right wing Jewish extremist settlers going after local Palestinians in the West Bank too, the very same settlers who've been kicking Palestinians off their land for years and fomenting the hate that reigns in this region. Violence only begets violence, which seems to be your only "solution" and the optics are not good for Israel right now. Everyone in this war deserves what they pretty much wanted, violent war. I have no sympathies right now. Once the Palestinians terminate their association with Hamas, the Israeli settlers quit taking their land for their own and Israel kicks out Netanyahu and the ultra right Likud Party, then maybe people can talk about peace. However, I don't see that happening, ever.