Changing Horses Midstream

[woodchip]

Don't know how many of you watched the debate last night, the results being that there is talk about replacing Biden at the DNC convention. The question is, will that change be legitimate? Can a very small group of people be justified to do so and not have a candidate be chosen by the people in a primary? Curious as to what you think.

[Vander]

The question is, will that change be legitimate? Can a very small group of people be justified to do so and not have a candidate be chosen by the people in a primary? Curious as to what you think.

I didn't watch, and I'm purposefully tuning out for my own mental health, but I'm sure anything that might happen will be more legitimate than the fake elector bull★■◆● the fascists you support attempted. I'm not at all curious about what you thought about that.

[vision]

Still voting for the Democratic party no matter what because I care about making the world better.

[Spidey]

What happened...did Joe forget his pep pills? J/K... for you morons that can't tell.

I don't care what happens either...I'm still going to write in Sailor Moon.

[Tunnelcat]

Also still voting for the Dems anyway. Biden may be going downhill and should've turned down running for a second term long before the primaries, but he's at least surrounded by intelligent people who aren't sitting in their jobs just to ass kiss the president to the point of violating the law. If they replace him, fine by me because I couldn't vote for him in the primaries as an non-party voter anyway, just so long as the Dems aren't stupid enough to pick Gavin Newsome.

And of course, you conveniently ignored Trump's performance. He never answered questions put to him at all. He ranted on about every right wing conspiracy he could like he was at one of his boner rallies and spewed outright lies like confetti. None of that was countered or fact checked. He never answered one question on point. Jackass.

[woodchip]

Contrary to what you all posted, the topic is whether the delegates at the DNC convention should be able to pick their nominee instead of going thru the primary process. If Vander and TC want to go all emo over the debate to avoid the topic...go start your own thread.

[Vander]

You ask if some future event would be legitimate, and I question whether you actually care much about legitimacy.

[Top Gun]

No one gives a ★■◆● about any topics you make, woody. Leave.

[Tunnelcat]

I did answer your question woody. I said "it's fine by me". The Dems would do us all a favor by picking a different candidate at the Convention than who was picked in the primary. Biden's to old and 4 more years will in all likelihood see him unfit and unable to do the job. Perhaps the Republicans should follow suit and do the same, because BOTH parties have given us rotten candidates to choose from when voting for president. It's either the demented old man or the Neofascist Dictator Christian nationalist. The demented old man STILL looks waaay better than what the repubs are serving up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e ... rcna159374

[Tunnelcat]

No one gives a ★■◆● about any topics you make, woody. Leave.

Top Gun, cool it. It's a legitimate question that even I would like to know the answer. I've never been happy with the Dems shoving Biden on us again in 2024. I just knew this debate would show the error of that decision, because Biden is just too damn old and it shows. He even looks feeble now as he walks. Because of the Democratic arrogance in sticking with a candidate who's clearly past his prime, now there's a distinct possibility we'll get Trump again. The Dems screwed the pooch because a lot of Dems have not been happy with Biden as a candidate. The only clean way the Dems could nominate another candidate is if Biden decides to drop out for the good of the party and the nation and they pick someone who's not a polarizing ★■◆● at the convention.

[Ferno]

What happened...did Joe forget his pep pills? J/K... for you morons that can't tell.

I don't care what happens either...I'm still going to write in Sailor Moon.

And that's a vote for trump.

The game has changed. A write-in vote for anyone but biden becomes a vote for trump. I don't think you want to do that. Because if trump gets in again, this will be the last time you ever get to vote.

[Top Gun]

Top Gun, cool it. It's a legitimate question that even I would like to know the answer.

Why are you still engaging with him? Better yet, why has he not been banned? You know exactly who and what he is, and yet you continue to give him a platform.

[TheWhat]

Didn't watch it. I believe the apparatus has been loading President Biden with vitamin shots before he is wheeled out on a dolly and given a whiff of smelling salts before the mics are on. The other option is a dystopia Orwellian puppet for the lizard overlords draped in flags and words like patriot.

If Samsung didn't already own us I'd say we're screwed. You're welcome for my unsolicited and incredible insights via tha intanet

[TigerRaptor]

Is there a possibility Kang and Kodos could be screwing with Biden's head?

[Ferno]

Top Gun, cool it. It's a legitimate question that even I would like to know the answer.

Why are you still engaging with him? Better yet, why has he not been banned? You know exactly who and what he is, and yet you continue to give him a platform.

I asked that question a long time ago. The answer was unsatisfactory. If anything, it's a form of enabling.

It's akin to CNN not muting trump's mic when it's sorely needed.

[Tunnelcat]

Top Gun, cool it. It's a legitimate question that even I would like to know the answer.

Why are you still engaging with him? Better yet, why has he not been banned? You know exactly who and what he is, and yet you continue to give him a platform.

Top Gun, I don't have that power and besides, he kept the question civil. He asked a question that millions of Democrats are now asking themselves after their candidate made a colossal fool of himself on live TV in front of the whole nation, even after days of rehearsal. I couldn't stomach Biden's performance that went so quickly off the rails, so I turned it off in disgust after 15 minutes. He looked like my stepfather with dementia. To Trump's supporters, it was a vindication of their rhetoric and will be red meat for Trump campaign ads to come. It doesn't even matter that Trump was his own idiot last night because that's his usual jackass behavior and no one called him on it. The Dems have no one to blame but themselves for setting up this whole clusterfuck.

You should've seen the hang dog faces on MSNBC last night. The proverbial rug was just pulled out from under them and they really didn't know what to do.

Yes Ferno, you and I asked this question a long time ago. But it took a national embarrassment on live TV to make it sink into their dead brains.

[vision]

Going to point out something everyone seems to have forgotten. Mitt Romney trounced Barack Obama in their first debate and everyone freaked out. Then Obama got it together and thoroughly mopped the floor with Romney in the following debates. Debate is a skill that goes out of practice, and unemployed Trump has nothing but time to run his mouth so he's pretty good at sounding competent, but if you notice Trump said nothing the entire night, just a bunch of his usual word salad. Biden is not Obama of course, but it's just as likely that Trump would could have a bad night if there is another debate. Putting that aside, the debate is just theatrics anyway. The election has basically been decided already. I would literally vote for koala bear if the Democratic Party decided that's what they wanted to run.

And regarding legitimacy, the Democratic Party is a private company, they can do whatever they want (and always have done what they want which is why we don't have many progressive candidates considering how popular they are).

[Vander]

In 2020 going into the first Dem debate, Biden was the frontrunner. In that debate, he showed he was a much older and slower than everyone remembered, and his numbers fell off a cliff. After Bernie had a bit of momentum, Biden won the only state he actually campaigned in, and Democratic Party Voltron united behind him.

I haven't looked into what it would take to replace him at the convention, but I would guess it's probably a simple procedure. Something like "I withdraw" and Biden's delegates vote for someone else. I doubt it will happen, as realistically, the time for Biden to bow out was before a contested primary.

But whatever, I'll eat whatever slop they put in front of me if it helps prevent fascists from gaining power.

[Tunnelcat]

We'll see what they do. I'd be surprised if they tried another debate. Biden is declining and I'm sure the stress of the presidency is adding to the problem. Look at Obama. His hair went grey during his 2 terms. One thing is for sure, I would vote for whoever had the best chance to beating Trump, no matter what. If that's Biden, so be it.

[Isaac]

If Biden wins it's because the hate for Trump is that high. I think it might be. But voters 18-35 haven't really figured out how to vote yet, so maybe Trump still has a chance. Those kids can protest and lock down a school, but they can't be bothered to go to the polls?

[woodchip]

What happened...did Joe forget his pep pills? J/K... for you morons that can't tell.

I don't care what happens either...I'm still going to write in Sailor Moon.

And that's a vote for trump.

The game has changed. A write-in vote for anyone but biden becomes a vote for trump. I don't think you want to do that. Because if trump gets in again, this will be the last time you ever get to vote.

If that was the case Trump wouldn't have stepped down in 2020. You obviously have been brainwashed by the liberal press.

[woodchip]

Top Gun, cool it. It's a legitimate question that even I would like to know the answer.

Why are you still engaging with him? Better yet, why has he not been banned? You know exactly who and what he is, and yet you continue to give him a platform.

A sign of a weak self-esteem is wanting to get rid of those who don't agree with you. Shakes head.

[woodchip]

The Dems have no one to blame but themselves for setting up this whole clusterfuck.

You should've seen the hang dog faces on MSNBC last night. The proverbial rug was just pulled out from under them and they really didn't know what to do.

The sad part is a select few Dems are now trying to prop this guy up...including his wife. And it looks like a 2nd debate is still on. Speak about elder abuse. And I wonder where the term, "Cheap Fake" has gone.

[woodchip]

But whatever, I'll eat whatever slop they put in front of me if it helps prevent fascists from gaining power.

Interesting you prefer leftist Communism.

[woodchip]

If Biden wins it's because the hate for Trump is that high. I think it might be. But voters 18-35 haven't really figured out how to vote yet, so maybe Trump still has a chance. Those kids can protest and lock down a school, but they can't be bothered to go to the polls?

When I was in college after getting out of the military, I had no interest in voting. When I turned 30 I bought land and built the house I still live in. I started voting then.

[Tunnelcat]

The Dems have no one to blame but themselves for setting up this whole clusterfuck.

You should've seen the hang dog faces on MSNBC last night. The proverbial rug was just pulled out from under them and they really didn't know what to do.

The sad part is a select few Dems are now trying to prop this guy up...including his wife. And it looks like a 2nd debate is still on. Speak about elder abuse. And I wonder where the term, "Cheap Fake" has gone.

Not any different than the other guy who tells strange tales of electric boats and sharks, several times. Or a guy who's a convicted felon, lies through his teeth constantly and plays the victim card whenever he's called out on it. Or a guy who sends out his minions to harass and spout death threats to those who cross him, even if those are people just doing their civic duty. I'll take the demented old man any day over that guy.

[woodchip]

And what death threats might they be?

[Tunnelcat]

I could post a million links, but I don't have the time. I doubt you even believe what's going on, because you're one of Trump's minions to the core.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... a-threats/

https://www.vox.com/23899688/2024-elect ... eats-trump

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... ts-courts/

[Vander]

Interesting you prefer leftist Communism.

'Opposing fascists is leftist Communism' is certainly something a supporter of fascism would say.

[Top Gun]

A sign of a weak self-esteem is wanting to get rid of those who don't agree with you. Shakes head.

No, that's a sign of not wanting to give a platform to Nazi scum like you.

[woodchip]

I could post a million links, but I don't have the time. I doubt you even believe what's going on, because you're one of Trump's minions to the core.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... a-threats/

https://www.vox.com/23899688/2024-elect ... eats-trump

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... ts-courts/

I read your links (all leftist) and no where are there names list or people charged. Just innuendo and hypothesis. For all you know leftist dems sent those threatening emails just to blame republicans. Nice try TC, learn to read and ask questions.

[woodchip]

Interesting you prefer leftist Communism.

'Opposing fascists is leftist Communism' is certainly something a supporter of fascism would say.

Any form of twisted logic by you is OK?

[woodchip]

A sign of a weak self-esteem is wanting to get rid of those who don't agree with you. Shakes head.

No, that's a sign of not wanting to give a platform to Nazi scum like you.

And the school teacher is back to name calling. No wonder public education is failing.

[Top Gun]

Wrong on multiple accounts, but thanks for playing, fascist.

[Tunnelcat]

I could post a million links, but I don't have the time. I doubt you even believe what's going on, because you're one of Trump's minions to the core.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... a-threats/

https://www.vox.com/23899688/2024-elect ... eats-trump

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... ts-courts/

I read your links (all leftist) and no where are there names list or people charged. Just innuendo and hypothesis. For all you know leftist dems sent those threatening emails just to blame republicans. Nice try TC, learn to read and ask questions.

People HAVE been charged AND plead guilty, in Georgia and Arizona. Of course, since it's the current DOJ you despise, you wouldn't believe it even if Trump himself walked into some election worker's home and shot their family dead. You ARE clearly wearing orange colored glasses. There's no hope of ever yanking them off your face and slapping some sense into you, even if Fox News did it.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... nment-says

[Vander]

Any form of twisted logic by you is OK?

Where is my logic twisted?

[Tunnelcat]

It's not. It's as straight as an arrow.

[Tunnelcat]

I'm guessing the Dem Party machinery is now working in the background to retire Biden. His press conference yesterday didn't help him and the upcoming NBC interview will probably finish all speculation as to his mental state. Too bad the press doesn't focus on Trump's numerous mental ticks, because he's not fit either.

[TheWhat]

The lengths that people are going to to defend this mans decline is interesting. I had 2 grandparents in nursing homes, its heartbreaking. But the guy is toast, move on - there are major world problems to deal with.

[Tunnelcat]

My father has dementia. He started his decline similar to Biden. Long term memory is the first thing to start failing. Once it began, it was only six months before he could no longer drive. A couple of years later, he's lost all his memories of our mother and his youth and his short term memory is gone. This man used to be an accomplished trial lawyer too. He's now just a hollow shell of his former self. But recently, he's been perseverating on his car, which he sold years ago. It's become a strange fixation in his mind, almost taking over. He'll walk out into the garage or parking lot several times daily, looking for it. He sits in his condo wondering when someone will take him home, when he's already home. Sad.

I'll still vote the Dem ticket no matter who it is. At least whoever it is will surround themselves with competent people. Trump will surround himself with convicted sycophant felons, who he'll pardon and who'll do his personal bidding or for personal power. Trump and his family always come first, not the people of this nation. He'll allow this nation to turn into a Christian Nationalist Neo-Fascist nation, where only white Evangelical Christians are citizens and everyone else is trash. Everyone else will be marginalized or forced to hide, unless they don't take this Project 2025 crap sitting down, like the ★■◆● head of the Heritage Foundation wants us to.